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The Lotus Tree

 

i

the grove


twisted by the briny winds, the elder redwoods twine;
a grove of serpent gestures, writhing wood and bark,
lean above a shaded trail that weaves a crooked line.

shifting through the canopy, capricious streamers shine
in slanted golden hues with patterns vague and sparse;
twisted by the briny winds, the elder redwoods twine.

broken twigs and fallen needles lie in shades of brown,
a fragrant forest floor where old dryadic hearts
lean above a shaded trail that weaves a crooked line.

rolling rumbles from the sea reveal a distant rune;
an incantation thunders on the ocean’s marge;
twisted by the briny winds, the elder redwoods twine.

phantom figures haunt the gloom, enfolded deep in fern;
contorted trunks and boughs, by ancient fires charred,
lean above a shaded trail that weaves a crooked line.

light and bright amid her peers, one sagess stands alone
and looms a splendid sight, the redwood matriarch;
twisted by the briny winds, the elder redwoods twine,
lean above a shaded trail that weaves a crooked line.


ii

the sagess


boughs extend and rise in whorls around her ancient heart
to form a vibrant grove from one enormous trunk,
every branch a thriving tree upheld by one support.

like some unusual bloom that magic airs have sprung,
redwood spires unfold in rings the way a lotus flares
to form a vibrant grove from one enormous trunk.

heaving mystic in the shade through dim uncounted years
between misshapen guards that keep a timeless watch,
redwood spires unfold in rings the way a lotus flares.

her presence holds the air with light opaque and soft;
bright awareness radiates to permeate the gloom
between misshapen guards that keep a timeless watch.

rooted deeply in the ridge, she rises from the loam
a living wooden sculpture shaped by wind and earth;
bright awareness radiates to permeate the gloom.

a creature from the dreaming sings above the surf;
boughs extend and rise in whorls around her ancient heart,
a living wooden sculpture shaped by wind and earth,
every branch a thriving tree upheld by one support.


iii

full moon visit


trancing moonbeams phase and shift amid these agéd trees;
i walk a path of dream through scattered glints of light,
bound to meet within the gloom a whorl of rising boughs.

rumbles cast a gentle spell with rhythmic wane and rise,
invoking tranquil thought while, framed within the mind,
trancing moonbeams phase and shift amid these agéd trees.

spirits seem to guide the way among these hidden spires,
as something seemed to lead me here at just this time,
bound to meet within the gloom a whorl of rising boughs.

secret breezes play the leaves in subtle soughs and sighs;
their motions mold the moon so fluid patterns glide;
trancing moonbeams phase and shift amid these agéd trees.

whispers led me to this place to share unfettered woes;
i climb the rising trail that weaves below the pines,
bound to meet within the gloom a whorl of rising boughs.

left with little else to give, i sing melodic lays
that merge with wind and sea beneath the partial sky;
trancing moonbeams phase and shift amid these agéd trees,
bound to meet within the gloom a whorl of rising boughs.


iv

astral visitation


features indistinct and vague appear to me in dream;
she visits from the void suffused in snowy light,
reaching out to bless my sleep beneath the moonlit dome.

i shared the gift of song within her wooden shrine;
touched within her timeless soul, now open to my sense,
she visits from the void suffused in snowy light.

gold and silver seal the gift i hold before her glance,
a locket made of dream; she holds the hidden gem,
touched within her timeless soul, now open to my sense.

i say, “it's all my tears”-—my every pain and fret
manifest as gentle hues inside a shifting frame,
a locket made of dream; she holds the hidden gem.

“this is something of myself”, her subtle tones inform;
she offers me a charm of iridescent wings
manifest as gentle hues inside a shifting frame.

in rest beneath a grove where leafless alders lean,
features indistinct and vague appear to me in dream;
she offers me a charm of iridescent wings,
reaching out to bless my sleep beneath the moonlit dome.

 

 

Author notes

this poem is comprised of four parts:

part i: the grove (villanelle #15)
part ii: the lotus tree (terzanelle #14)
part iii: full moon visit (villanelle #16)
part iv: visitation (terzanelle #15)

the first two are intended to set the scene and location. the second two are intended to convey an anamistic experience.

to learn more about the villanelle: allpoetry.com/Column/784856/all=1
to learn more about the terzanelle: allpoetry.com/Column/784852/all=1
Written July 24th, 2004

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  • Roy-rahbar
    August 30
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    Extraordinary

    Hello Zahar...you are extremely gifted ...very impressve ndeed.
    Rahbar.


    • Zahhar gold member
      2 days ago
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      Thank you, Sir. This was a special write. I wish I could make it out to visit with this tree-being more often.
  • WritingWretch gold member
    August 12

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    A careful,crafted,clever masterpiece.

    I appreciate the way your mind works, like writing poetry in quadratic equations; the beautiful transitional logic and symmetry of thought is astounding.
    And thanks for introducing me to a new poetic form: the terzanelle and its history too boot.
    Your combination of the two (vill. & terz ) is yummy, like hot chocolate over vanilla ice cream. The best part is the melting fusion.
    You must have scaled the heights of the giant Sequoia redwoods to have the perspective of " a vibrant grove from one enormous trunk" and "every branch a thriving tree upheld by one support" because from the ground the crown is so far away one doesn't comprehend how big those branches must be. I've heard plenty of descriptions but none that brought that fact into focus and realization. I'm glad you imaged the sent of the forest (its greatest memory trigger for those who have dwelt in the majestic caverns) mingled with bracing briny sea sent. Though I'm now three thousand miles away your poem takes be there. Memory moves faster than the speed of light. I wish you had included some of the particular dry moss, like miniature, crunchy, chartreuse, forests that grows there. Your imagery, every descriptive phrase, is a jewel in the crowing achievement of your poem. Have you had this published yet? Details? Thank you, April Return the favor?

    • Zahhar gold member
      August 13
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      I only combined the terzanelle and villanelle forms in one other poem, and that one was also related to the same region. This poem also introduced a hybridization of the two forms, which I called the hybridanelle. I called it "The Phantom of Wheeler Camp", and it's along that same stretch of Lost Coast--great place to camp out for a few days.

      The tree this poem tries to depict, The Lotus Tree, isn't actually that tall, but it's magical, perhaps even sentient. If you're curious, I have some pictures of her and a portion of her grove here: http://mochinet.com/images/lt/

      These are older pics, but she hasn't changed much visibly since they were taken.

      Very glad you enjoyed this poem. I still think of this as among my best poetry, perhaps even my best.

  • queenmother gold member
    March 19

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    beautiful

    A wonderful trip the the beautiful world that you created. I felt like a butterfly fluttering through your mind in a sacred created place. Beautiful imagery. Wonderful word usage. Thank you for the mini vacation. I was left with a great feeling of peace.


  • mornings
    March 12

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    I'm swinging in the motion of redwood leaves as I read this. Very calming.

    This is a fitting tribute to someone who has greatly blessed your life. I'm sure a part of her will remain in you and you in her.

    I share your belief that there are beings beyond our realm with whom we can connect, sometimes even more than the humans around us. They are the unseen that see us through. I am happy for you that you were led to her, and that your meeting has since helped you in your journey.

    I’ve read many people ask about your work: With poems like this, who needs pictures? Indeed. The images and colors you painted of her and your experience with her company, I am sure pleased her. Not only have you wonderfully depicted her and that connection, you also remarkably managed to connect her with readers like me. Knowing and seeing her through your words all the more made me desire to experience her presence. Hmm I'll meet her someday.

    Like usual, beyond the depictive images and stories that people won’t miss in your works, you always have lessons to impart. This, I appreciate most. Like this redwood, there are some of us who needed to be in places and situations that are away from the normal, and somehow all of us, wherever we are, would have to be "twisted by the briny winds." None of these should stop us from standing firm. That even in our uniqueness, or that of our situation, each of us is blessed with an opportunity to make a difference in the life of others. No matter the twists and writhing, we will not fall as long as we have our foundation firm—that "one support" called faith. And just as how the moon continues to lit up the redwoods in the gloom, there is nothing so remote in this world that will be unreachable to the all seeing Light. See I learned a lot from The Lotus Tree and your story.

    I am not at all versed in poetry forms, nor have I read enough to know the craft. And I will always be the first to admit that the English language is not my cup of tea. But I think, even without you saying it, among all your works it is this piece that hailed you to be one among genuine authorities of your time in form, imagery and I say the English language. I am a firm believer that it is not poets but poems that determine the caliber of a poet. This is an epitome of a work of art of a truly gifted poet and a disciplined spirit perfected by time and peculiarly twisted by the briny winds.

    joyfulness,
    j

    P. S.

    I meant to say that your studies are evidently adding substance to your poems. This was what impressed me right away when I read the very first line of the poem: twisted by the briny winds, the elder redwoods twine. This is not only plain imagery, or a philosophical suggestion but a factual information. I think the crooked and twisted branches of that redwood, along with its sisters in that area, are caused by the salty winds and probably the water underneath that they sip. Salt affects the growth of trees and plants in unusual ways. This is why mangroves have those interlacing roots. - j

  • Virgoan
    February 21

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    Sir, I've read this before and everytime I come across this piece it gives me a complete relief and moment of bliss.

    A timeless piece

    Thanks for sharing.

    HENSLEY


  • apoeticinjustice gold member
    February 17

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    incredible write, well thought out and structured. The imagery is intriguing. A thoroughly enjoyable read.
    Rory


  • hammy66
    January 11
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    Terrific

    The imegary this imparts is stupendous, u hae so much talen .. keep it up


  • Nose
    January 3
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    Interesting... a beatiful style of writing...


  • Zayra
    December 27, 2007

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    I like the mix of form in this presentation. I happened to felt drawn in by the title because I am fond of nature and anything to do with the lotus. I am also a sucker for a villanelle; having said all of that, I think you have a gift for using a lot of imagery and words that most others cannot use to share the essence of a feeling. Your style reminds me of fine wine.


  • Evolet
    December 2, 2007

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    WOW

    I don't know how to express how blown away I am by this poem. I love it how you wrote it into different parts. My favourite is the describing of the experience. This poem really inspires me, gives me a feeling of hope. I love the title.
    I think the first & last line is really good too. Couldn't have been better.


  • IrresistableRain
    July 14, 2007
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    Beautiful how do u do that? lol

  • CookieZeal Greeters member
    May 4, 2007

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    Hi there, brother.

    What you have here is........................a failure to communicate the entire content as intended.
    Form is your expertise. However, there's something about content that people need for what they call "essential poems". (as versed by someone in "Crossing Delancey". What is that equation that has such strange perpendiculars?

    We learn that it will hardly ever be popular.
    That it has to 'stain' a future situation/generation.
    Someone above needs you.
    In the media.......needs you.
    If you play the guitar, walk through
    a festival and sing this....it's needed.

    Wonderful..........true-to-form.
    You'll need to 'teach', in my opinion.
    It'll work there. Please?
    Warmly, Dianne the Cookie!


  • Molassis gold member
    December 19, 2006

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    You know... you don't need pictures to compliment your words... you give so much information, and paint so vivdly with your words... that they create their own picture within one's own mind... I find that exhilerating...

    You capture not only the view... but the essence of what you are writing about... your words seem to come to life... I could see myself... in your words... and could experience the sight and the smells around me... all through your words...

    That Mr. Poet... is writing at it's best...

    I'm just stunned!!!

    ~Melissa


  • Hekate gold member
    December 17, 2006
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    DEEP !!

    WOW WOW WOW I am very much impressed...I was drawn to this because of the title
    I'm a baby at form writing but it seems like you're beyond a Master with it
    Awesome write !!!!
    Kamala


  • brown paper bag
    November 3, 2006
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    It's amazing how you find excellent poetry on here.I often browse and very rarely find poets who draw me in.I was lucky tonight and the strange thing is I noticed a bunch of poets who commented on this piece are people I'm familiar with on here (some friends).This poem was beautifully executed and a pleasure to read,
    ~Helen

  • white stone gold member
    September 11, 2006
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    Jesus jumped up Christ,my good man. What a megastructure you've created here. I doubt I will ever be able to have a tenth of the discipline needed to scaffold my work like this. This piece caught
    my eye because I have a similarly titled work,and I wanted to compare. Well, my head deflated to the point that if my body were to match, I would surely glide through Alices smallest door. I felt like if my piece was a tinker toy spire, yours were the Petronis Towers. I still like mine, but man....GREAT stuff.Thx.

  • rebeka
    August 28, 2006
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    stunning writing.

    you should be teaching, in the time io have been on this site, you are by far, the most impressive authour i have run across.
    beautiful poem. thank you for sharing it here.

  • raggyann
    May 23, 2006
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    this poem or write is the best
    your structure is great
    iam going to read all you got
    thank you
  • St4rScr34m88
    May 23, 2006
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    Incredible!!

    wow.. look at all the compliments.. truly a work of art, it's popularity shows it's brilliance, and that of the poet.. here's to a job well done!!

  • BrokenLockBox
    April 25, 2006
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    excellent

    A simple applaus really doesn't seem to do this poem justice. The imagery is lovely. I'm really glad I got to read it. Thank You.
  • Robin Connon
    April 3, 2006
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    great poem
  • Kay Laon Anders
    March 11, 2006
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    Genius again!

    your first segment on this one sounds a little bit like my magical canopy....so that one is my favorite...lol....but the way you start arranging the words as i read further is it almost sounds like a fairy land .....a very magical place. i use to walk in the woods for hours when i lived on the 33 acres and i remember whispering to my sister and telling her to whisper because the place felt so sacred....my family has always held a deep respect for nature and that is why i like the the poems you write like this the best....it was like i was in another world until it had to end too soon.....lol....great....fantastic and all those other words i leave at the end of genius work.....

    KAY

  • purplelirpa
    March 4, 2006
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    I would agree with someone's comment a little above and say that I would, one day, like to reach a mastery of my words such as this. Your last one I read was sounds, but through all the first part, it was such an overwhelming SMELL. Now, that may sound odd. But I couldn't get the smell of a bed of pine needles out of my mind. It is interesting the way there are repeats of lines throughout the poem. I feel that there is some purpose to this, and while I am not familiar with either type of poetry, I think this is a highly effective way of drumming a point along. You know, this kind of makes me sad in a way. I remember how I used to look at trees when I was younger, and sat in their branches, drawing an almost strength from being around something so old and magnificent. You have definitely portrayed an opinion I seem to have forgotten long ago, about the life within the trees. I must see this tree!
  • Normpo
    February 5, 2006
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    Braco!!

    Edit first -- "Braco" was supposed to be "Bravo" (sorry ~smile~)

    So, there are REAL poets at Allpoetry .com (meant a little in jest --- but YOU have a very fine talent). I've not the time to read all the comments posted here and I'll just mention that your "grove" poem is my favorite among these. You have mastered the Villanelle but moreso your slant rhymes are wonderful, you utilize poetic devices effortlessly (not forced), and everything, including the necessary reps, are purposeful and don't seem obligatory.

    My favorite lines are:
    "rolling rumbles from the sea reveal a distant rune;
    an incantation thunders on the ocean’s marge;"
    >>> I could have used it years ago for my students when explaining onomatopoeia ~smile~.

    I'll be visiting you poems again --- and hope you'll try a few of mine on for size ... or visit me at my site -- www.poemtrain.com

    Norm

    Edited on Feb 05, 7:20 because 'Typo'.
  • Terrell Wynn
    January 29, 2006
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    Great

    Wow, I truly know now with time and practice. Constant editing and thoughts. One can truly acheive what you hold each day. I wont say I wish to be as good as you are beacasue people are not supposed to reach anothers level. It's about reaching yours. Worthwhile read, Great poem indeed!!!
  • charly star
    January 25, 2006
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    god this was just majical for me i loved every part it instantly warmed my soul and look forward to reading more of your work.xxx

  • Viyanna Rosemarie
    January 15, 2006
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    I SAID I LIKE POEMS ABOUT TREES-WELL THIS IS DEFININELY ONE HECK OF A POEM ABOUT TREES AND I LIKE IT. GOOD JOB.

  • MY lips will deny
    December 17, 2005
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    OBVIOUSLY YOU KNOW YOU ARE A VERY INTELLIGENT WRITER. I AM SO IMPRESSED WITH YOUR WORK. YOU ARE TRULY THE DREAM OF EVERY POET WRITER, TO ACHEIVE THAT TYPE OF INTELLIGENT WORDING.YOU ARE DA'MAN.

  • rosepoet
    December 8, 2005
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    Excellent write!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    This is a remarkable composition, absolutely stunning great imagery . impressive and wonderful expression. you are quite an
    amazing guy and full of words.I think this is an enchanting mystical dream you had right.I'm sorry I took so long getting around to comment. It is a truly remarkable poem, as you are a terrfic writer. Thank you for sharing this beautiful piece
    Edited on Dec 08, 2:13 because 'typo'.

  • Elfin silver member
    December 7, 2005
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    Well at last I've arrived at the comments box, only to say that if I had written a small portion of that piece of work I would be the happiest person alive. Breathtaking!!!

  • Winklings gold member
    December 1, 2005
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    Rightly, a poem touching greatness.

    Hi, I'm very impressed by your craftsmanship and ability to sustain discipline, poetics, and a poem of immense satisfaction for you, for me, for all who would engage it. Very Tennysonian and probably more highly developed in its kind. Lyndon Wise.

  • xxRISING
    October 6, 2005
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    amazing

    as always... wow! during i and ii, i wasn't all that gripped yet, but, i kept reading, thinking theres more to be seen. turns out, the more and more i read it, along with the further i got into the poems core, i felt that it had more potential than the first. here i am now, applauding you.

    i have to say that my favorite stanzas were-

    whispers led me to this place to share unfettered woes;
    i climb the rising trail that weaves below the pines,
    bound to meet within the gloom a whorl of rising boughs.

    left with little else to give, i sing melodic lays
    that merge with wind and sea beneath the partial sky;
    trancing moonbeams phase and shift amid these agéd trees,
    bound to meet within the gloom a whorl of rising boughs.

    i think the flow is excellent, i love the word selection and i feel the lotus tree, not just in words, but in heart :-D. i am sure that is one of the many messages most of the people who critiqued this piece felt.

    i love the line, "a grove of serpent gestures", because after seeing this specific tree, that definitely comes alive as an entanglement of "writhing wood and bark". to put a person somewhere, there must be a vibe, and these lines definitely have it!

    the only thing that i have to say is that i think you could have gotten a lot more excellent writing in there with fewer stanzas about things very similar. yet, as i noticed, you repeat lines at the end of each stanza, which would make a good opportunity to bring back certain important points :-D.

    EXCELLENT job... as usual... inspiring me once again !!

  • Zahhar gold member
    September 26, 2005
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  • Zayra
    September 26, 2005
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    BRAVO!

    Wow! Okay, I think you are the most popular talked about responded to poet on this site. Seriously, I came to this site and discovered it because one day while researching poetic forms on Google I came across your work. I was immediately drawn into the way your poetry is so finely crafted. Each and every line, every word, is obviously formed with the precision of a surgeon, the care of a gardner, the gentleness of parent, and the mastery of an architech. It is like fine wine, imported cigars, and all things fine in this world, therefor unique and full of character.
  • Poet-treeman
    September 25, 2005
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    Trees are one of my loves having worked in and around them for many years. Sometimes I must destroy them; but I do so with a feeling of worship and apology, ultimately aware that in time, I too will be cut down. I won't pretend to understand all you've written here; but it sure feels right and I will spend some time in meditation of it. Thank you for sharing your gift.

  • Crivos
    September 22, 2005
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    Great write

  • Viv
    August 18, 2005
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    I loved this piece, especially the first and third sections.
    Isn't the word "suffused" just the greatest?
    I loved this, it struck me a spiritual without being at all corny - my nature/spiritual poetry usually turns out positively oozing with naffness. You managed to write this poem with a translucent, delicate, understated beauty... is it possible to be understated but yet ... what's the word... understated yet glorious? Is that possible? Well, that's what this felt like. And it worked so so well, it gelled and flowed so well in my mind and conjured up such beautiful twisty images. Well done!
  • zephure
    July 12, 2005
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    wow - you're a lot deeper than I can go... I enjoyed this a great deal. very nice

  • ethereal-dust
    May 26, 2005
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    This has to be one of the most beautiful pieces of writing i've ever read. The imagery is so rich and vivid, the metaphors are beautiful, and the adherance to form is impeccable. As near to true genius as I think it's possible to come, I especially love this line:

    'her presence holds the air with light opaque and soft;'

    This really is superb!
    aimee


  • Robbwindow
    May 24, 2005
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    natural

    Wow man your knowledge of the craft of poetry is well over my head and your comments of I) the stanza etc is refreshingly mind boggling for my limitations but you what nature is really cool thanks.

  • The Phoenix Returns
    May 13, 2005
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    Great poem!

  • Ivory Pyre
    May 2, 2005
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    Stunned.

    These forms use are entirely new to me, being unsure of how to read this poem led to slight confusion to my personal rhythmic flow, but I believe this can be remedied by more familiarity with the forms.

    The rigid appreciation of the forms you use is very commendable, and I feel that this is a true credit to the literary World. This must have taken many days, dare I say weeks to create. The imagery, naturally is superb. Try and get this published on paper...

  • FutureState
    April 28, 2005
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    not bad.

    not bad.

  • ToltecWarrior silver member
    March 22, 2005
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    Perfect

    I can see why you feel this is one of your best poems. This is FANTASTIC!!!! I am new to the forms used, but I really like the repetative nature of the lines. I feel I am unable to critique this poem, as I am not even remotely qualified, but I will comment on the content.
    I enjoyed this poem. It reads fluently off my tongue and sounds nice too. The whole theme of this piece is mystical and magical. I am drawn to such work, as I am both myself. I think you did a tremendous job transfering your experiences into words. Your use of alliteration and assonance was especially creative. The descriptive phrases and your unique word choices brought this poem to an epic level. I admire the knowledge, the time, and the effort you must have used to create such a masterpiece.
    I am bowing now, to my new master of poetic form.
    peace -
    Toltec Warrior

  • blondeoverblue
    March 22, 2005
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    You have such a wonderful and genuine talent, that I have often wondered what you considered your best piece of work. I certainly wasn't disappointed here, and find it difficult to say anything that has not been said already. Im in awe!

    Kat xxx

  • catz Moderators member
    February 21, 2005
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    You said this is the best example of your poetry ..then perhaps I should have saved it for last, lest all the others be dissappointing after reading this one It is indeed near perfection. Like Jaden, above, it is best (for me anyway) read aloud, as the 'sound' of each line, each phrase, lays on the ears as a fine wine stimulates the pallate. (And after reading the comments regarding 'lies' and 'lays', ummm.. well...

    I thoroughly enjoyed this wonderful work of art, Erin. It is indeed a beautiful villanelle. I keep telling myself I'm going to attempt one but I feel so intimidated by them.....I'll do it someday, though
    I have Nadir to thank for this introduction to your poetry
    Dee

  • Zahhar gold member
    February 6, 2005
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    crystaldust:

  • crystaldust gold member
    February 6, 2005
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    crystaldust 06-02-05 20:56
    I am encouraged when I see that DeBracey rewrote his comments several times, because I am bereft of words to do justice to this perfection. That is where I have to stop. No more words. Just a thank you for perfection.
  • susanne
    January 20, 2005
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    BRILLIANT

    My God what can I say, I feel tongue tied; it's as though I were gently but firmly lead on an incredible journey that soon became my own, as saturation of my senses slowly diffused into a spiritual awareness I had not encountered for many years. When did I make this transition? I don't know exactly. It was somewhere between the sagess and the full moon visit I think. I do know that at this specific point in time, we exchanged hands and I was leading you. From beginning to end, this was a rich and rewarding experience for me. Thank you (:

  • January 14, 2005
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    Very nice. A noble and stylish write structure to the appropriate poetic forms.
  • Legacy
    January 9, 2005
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    woah, deep. For a poet guy i don't have much words to say right now. An excellent job, made me think of wonderfully elder days and ancient times. I loved. Great job

  • Zahhar gold member
    January 9, 2005
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    SH: well, your thoughts have caused me to delve into the subtlies of "lie" and "lay". turns you were are right, but not for the reasons you indicated. what i did not consciously know until today is that "lay" indicates the action of "lie" and that "lie" indicates the fact of "lay". so, the needles do not "lay" in shades of brown, because they are not in the action of laying down, they are already laid, and so the fact is they "lie" in shades of brown because if i say "lay", then i have to indicate how it is they are laying. here's the difference:

    "lay" (the action of)
    the pines trees lay their twigs and needles down in shades of brown.

    "lie" (the fact of)
    twigs and needles lie in shades of brown

    fascinating. there is no end to what any living being can learn about english no matter how much he or she comes to know. i love it!

    thank you for this. i'm making the edit now.

  • Zahhar gold member
    January 9, 2005
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    pink-roses: thank you! i like hearing about the particular lines in my work that people take a liking to. the second one you mention, "secret breezes ... soughs and sighs" is a line i have gotten a lot of feedback on when i've read this poem in person. this is actually a paraphrase of a line that i already used in an earlier poem, "Night Walk" (a villanelle), which was:

    "Breezes tease the murmuring leaves with nearly quiescent breath"

    it's neat to be able to reuse such lines in new ways. i wonder how much milage i'll ultimately get out of this one.

    i'm glad you enjoyed this piece of writing. as you may read in my comments, this one is distinctly special to me.
  • Sherlock Holmes
    January 9, 2005
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    This is a remarkable composition, worthy of a bookmark and my applause. It is easy to see you put a lot of work into this to perfect it. I had only one question about one word - and am not an English major, so I can not say for sure, but it seems the word "lay" in the 3rd verse of "the grove" should be "lie" in order to make it present tense with the rest of the poem. At any rate, this is an excellent poem - and one to be proud of.

    Sherlock

  • pink-roses
    January 9, 2005
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    "a grove of serpent gestures" - on of the first lines and alreadyI'm gripped. This is absolutly stunning. I have tried, and failed, with villanelles. They always seem so forced, as do may of the other examples I have read, but you have clearly put a huge amount of effort, and talent, into this collection. It good to see a poet who doesn't just write the first thing that comes into their head and leave it at that. I'm of the firm belief that a poem is never truly finished. This is a rich and swirling cooking pot of beautiful imagery and alliteration ( i liked the line "secret breezes play the leaves in subtle soughs and sighs" - just stunning). Thankyou for allowing me to rea this small slice of perfection.
    pinkxxx

  • Jaden silver member
    January 6, 2005
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    Instead of 'reading' this poem I went ahead and read it aloud all the way through. It's the only way to do it justice as sounds and meaning form that special bridge that brings better understanding.

    What did I think of it? A personal experience to be sure, which I'm sure you know more about than anyone else. There's a quality of 'magical realism' to it, made famous by Octavio Paz (whom I particularily admire), so that was good.

    From what I know about these constructs, repetition holds the key to understanding...not just of the thoughts, but the sounds created that formed the thoughts.

    Good poem.

  • Robbwindow
    January 6, 2005
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    Pleasant

    Thanks a great read well seperated and thoroughly entertaining and fresh approach to an old school style wicked man !

  • January 1, 2005
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    Magnificent!

    This is sheer brilliance. I almost feel that this poem has a sort of sentience all its own. The imagery is incredibly vivid and the mood is painted with such perfection, not to mention your masterful use of villanelles and terzanelles.
    "...it is truly a magical piece of writing and has had magical influences in my life."-I would be very surprised if it did not since this has such a strong mystical feel to it. All your studies and hard work are defiantly paying off.

  • ca ne fait rien
    December 16, 2004
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    I have spent an hour trying to comment on this, and deleted each time because words are inadequate to describe the intense feelings that this work evoked. Even more so than Wheeler Camp, which I believe you to think the better constructed piece. I don't know.I am not qualified to judge. I am overwhelmed by the sheer genius of your works.

  • Zahhar gold member
    December 4, 2004
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    aye, i became a vessel for this poem not long after that moonlight visit and subsequent dream. this was an exceptionally meaningful write for me. it's odd that many things in my life began to change dramatically not just after writing this poem, but during the time i worked on it. would you believe i finished this poem in zion national park in utah the night before i went on a slot-canyon hike with a man named Aron Ralston? he's the fellow you may have heard about who had his hand pinned to a canyon wall in colorado a few years ago while hiking a slot-canyon. after six days waiting there pinned to the canyon wall, he decided he had to get out of their himself or die, so he broke his forearm and sawed off the flesh around the break with a pocket knife to get free of the rock, and then hiked out, barely making it back alive. it was neat to spend 8 hours alone with him talking about our respective life-adventures. i was able to offer him an animistic view of his experience, which is a view he had been deprived of, which i actually tied into some of the cosmology used in this poem (which i printed out at a library to show to a frind of mine--we were camped out together that night and he got curious about it so he had already read the poem by the time we were out hiking).

    anyway, just to give you an idea of the energy behind this poem. it is truly a magical piece of writing and has had magical influences in my life.

    really really really appreciate your thoughts on this poem. i find i'm looking forward to seeing your thoughts on "The Phantom of Wheeler Camp".

  • Poetprncess
    December 3, 2004
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    Wow, Erin...This is brilliance. I read within your response that it felt as though you were only a vessel, and it was as if it were some higher force that created this entity. That is what this is...an entity. It makes great sense. I, myself, still have not yet tackled such forms as the Villanelle, Terzanelle or other such like forms, however my New Year's resolution is that each month I will take on a new form, learn it, study it and attempt to write in nothing but that form till I understand it and find out all the mystery it might hold...
    I certainly cannot critique or nit on anything as masterful as this--I can say, that normally I do perfer cap's on I, but reading your response, I had to think that I hadn't even noticed during the read the lowercasements. Which implied to me that it is as it should be, that there is nature purpose for it there because it didn't jump out and demand to be noticed. Other than that feedback, I will be re-reading this and your responses to hopefully come away with a better knowledge of alternating meter and getting familiar with the forms. Again, this is what our great grandchildren should be reading in their english classes and literary books... Get with publishing my friend...
    Best Regards, Liz

  • jantastic gold member
    November 29, 2004
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    I am unable to comment on the form,not being familiar with it. Although, I must say my curiousity will find me seeking more knowledge about it. And, after such in-depth analysis above, I feel my attempt at any would be futile. So, I shall expound on how it makes me feel.
    "twisted by the briny winds, the elder redwoods twine;
    a grove of serpent gestures, writhing wood and bark,"

    These first two lines captured me and made me want to read, the image was quite vivid to me, and brought to mind scenes from my memories of such stands of trees.

    "phantom figures haunt the gloom, enfolded deep in fern;
    contorted trunks and boughs, by ancient fires charred,"

    I like the contrast in the visual that your words create for me, the new and old,the living and dead and the living rising from the (seemingly) dead.

    "heaving mystic in the shade through dim uncounted years
    between misshapen guards that keep a timeless watch,
    redwood spires unfold in rings the way a lotus flares."

    Your second stanza is perhaps the most vivid to me in terms of creating a picture in my mind. Your imagery is sophisticated and effective.

    The third stanza I wanted to rush through almost, to see where this journey led and get to the outcome. I can't quite explain but, this section seemed more familiar, like ideas I've read before, although beautifully worded. I especially like:
    "trancing moonbeams phase and shift amid these agéd trees,
    bound to meet within the gloom a whorl of rising boughs."

    As for the culmination of your work in the last section, wonderful. I know this place of ethereal experience and you capture it well.
    "i say, “it's all my tears”-—my every pain and fret
    manifest as gentle hues inside a shifting frame," is particularly yummy.

    A wonderful piece and thank you for asking me to read it.





  • FinallyFound
    November 11, 2004
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    I HAD NO IDEA YOU WERE SUCH A TALENTED WRITER shows what i know you did a tremendous job with this. i absolutely love it. its a little long though but all four of your short stories i would call them, were WONDERFUL. thank you so much for making me read this you are a terrific poet. sorry i'm not one much for deep thoughtout comments but this sums it up....BRILLIANT

    ~Theo

  • April Renee
    October 23, 2004
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    "my reason for lowercasing everything in a poem has to do more with a feeling than anything else. the poem feels right all lowercased. subtle beings are generally not egocentric in any way. in order to seek and maintain some balance with the subtle being manifest as this highly unusual redwood grove and it's even more unusual matriarchal "lotus" tree, i decided to lowercase everything. when i did this and read it through, it felt right. the poem was somehow now in balance. i believe this is a part of rhetoric refered to as "mood" (i've only grazed the topic, but plan on doing a detailed study of mood within the next year)."

    good gosh..your comment was just as interesting as your poem...a tad long..my attention span is 'not there'...made it difficult to read all the way through...but i did..and even though it was a bit over my head, i liked the whole flow of it..excellent job on that...long...but worth the read

    ~*~blu~*~
    Edited on Oct 23, 7:39 p.m. because ''.

  • October 20, 2004
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    You really, truly did a wonderful job with this. You must have such talent to be able to make something creatively beautiful within the walls of such a confining box! I cannot do this, and I truly envy those who can do it well (you). Thanks for such a beautiful piece.

    Much respect,
    Sarah
  • Nicole Hanna
    October 18, 2004
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    I'll say, first off, that I'm NOT familiar with strict forms of writing, although I'm gaining a fondness for villanelle's which I just find exceptionally beautiful to read. And you've done a wonderful job with them here. Your poem had a fantastic quality that I don't see very often, and I'm glad I had the chance this time around, especially in my contest. I enjoyed the metaphors very much and think it's just an all around excellent poem.

  • Laura Lamarca
    October 7, 2004
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    A very clever write indeed. Your use of words amazing. Good luck in my contest & Thank you for entering. La x

  • Zahhar gold member
    October 5, 2004
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    wow, truly outstanding analysis. i'm half-afraid to counter any of your thoughts because so much time and energy has gone into them. but, there are a couple of small points i want to make.

    1) i agree with you about the instability of the tercet (three line stanza). this poem is part of my exploration of bimetric schemes with tercet forms. you should find that the lines alternate between catalectic trochaic heptameter and iambic hexameter. the effect turned out better than i would have hoped. because the villanelles and terzanelles employ different refrain schemes, the arrangement of the alternating metres had to be different between them. this also worked out better than i hoped. i'll admit that i was scared to death to try tackling this poem when i first got started, but by the time i finished part iv, the poem had taken on a life of it's own. i was just a sort of vessel, a means to the end that this poem represents. it's almost as if the "experiment" was planned by something other than "just me". lol -- not sure if that makes sense. but, this is, in part, how the experience has felt to me.

    2) you point out that the movements between the parts is metephorical, not actual, but i'm here to tell you otherwise. the description is of a real place, the tree is a real tree, the moonlight walk on the full moon of the spring equinox was a real walk, sitting in the branches nestled in the midst of this tree's great heart over the full moon was an actual experience, and the dream that occured after i walked down the mountain to my car and fell asleep therein was an actual dream. the metephor is also a metephor, but the metephor is taken straight from actual experience. even the quotes in part iv are only slightly modified from the actual dialog from the dream. i wanted to make as little change as possible to the actual experience, but i also wanted the dialog to work metrically. the spirit and sense of the dialog is still there, however. no, she really came to visit me after i went to visit her. i say "she" because this is how she appeared in my dream, though in an indistinct and inscrutable fashion. gender may actually not be an issue, but english wouldn't afford me a means of refering to this being using neuter pronouns anyway, so this worked out.

    3) you feel that the buddhist implications for the lotus are irrelevent here, but some relevence was consciously employed. the lotus, in buddhist thought, is symbolic of purity (pure mind, pure thought, pure being, pure non-mind, pure non-thought, pure non-being, etc) in the midst of impurity. as such, this incredible redwood tree that grows in much the way a lotus flower expands its petels is something i see as a pure manifestation (as if any "manifestation" could truly be be called pure -- long story, another time) in that the entity that permeates the wood is itself a being of pure light. bare in mind also that this region had been logged down to the dirt by 1900. this grove was clearly not logged because the wood would yeild no yard-footage. the trees are just two twisted and oddly shaped for the wood to yeild a profit in those days. so, this wood is indeed like a pure flower amid the polluted effects of human destruction. the gift she gave me was a gift of light (a pendent made of rainbow) and the gift i gave her was a gift of light (tainted though it was by my tears, the experience of sorrow, regret and grief was transmuted into a object of light, the concealed gem in the locket which could be given to a being of light). there's lots of compatibility with some buddhist precepts here, and the title was chosen carefully with regard to those compatabilities.


    the gift your analysis grants me is this: i get to see a very detailed, carefully thought out breakdown of this poem from a western-minded point of view. this is outstanding for me because i can allow this information to influence future pieces of writing.

    i love your thoughts about the nature of poetry. i have to say, i wholly agree with them. not at all like bridges, but more like catwalks, or terraces. the poem gets you to a particular vantage point. from there you may look on and see whatever your eye is capable of beholding. quite a beautiful way of looking at it, and also quite illustrative of my own approach to writing. i indeed make no attempt to cross the ravine, for i myself have no words for what i'm seeing, understanding or not seeing and understanding. there's really no place for me to span to. but, what i can do, is try to offer my readers the same view i myself am experiencing, and let them draw their own conclusions.
    Edited on Oct 05, 5:04 because ''.

  • Rj
    October 5, 2004
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    Very nearly profound!

    In critiquing this poem I wrote 2 ½ pages of notes. And in re-reading them, I know that they will be impossible to condense into a short comprehensive critique of this poem. First if I am to be as short and concise as possible I need to get something said. This is a striking write, developed, rich and charming. That said lets move on to the critique.

    Three line stanzas need to balance off each other. They are inherently slightly unstable. When the second lines of the stanzas are read against each other the stresses are extremely good, but the sequence of tensions and beats could be just slightly tweaked to make for a more melodious read. I am a lyrical poet and this is a principally a descriptive poem, so this criticism is not entirely valid as our forms differ. The interplay of stanzas is critical though to give each part a stable or gently sweeping perspective. This it does.

    It would be easy to misread the last two ‘parts’ as narrative. Verbs like walk, guid