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Veteran's Day - Sunrise

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Just she and I stood there alone,

Among markers of the whitest stone,

While cries of blackbirds set the tone

at daybreak.

 

 

Grand Canyon tours flew overhead,

Over tested, tried and honored dead;

"...and give us this day our daily bread",

she whispered.

 

 

The fragrant incense smoke ascending,

Swirling, curling, upward wending,

And each and every soul commending,

to heaven.

 

 

I'm here as any brother might,

To stand with him who's lost the fight,

On Veteran's Day as dawn's first light

shines on him.

 

 

The lady in black yet at her grave?

Was he father, daughter, son so brave?

Had they given all, to another save,

in valor?

 

 

The sun rose in Nevada skies,

As I wiped my hands across my eyes;

I missed him, and told him without disguise,

for always.

 

 

~~~~~~~~~~~~

 

 

Grand Canyon tours flew overhead,

Over tested, tried and honored dead,

"...and give us this day our daily bread",

she whispered.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

(To my brother Eric)

 


 

 

 

Author notes

The Boulder City airport and the Veteran's Cemetery are almost on top of each other in Boulder City Nevada. This is a depiction of one Veteran's Day morning when I went out to see my brother's and my uncle's grave there.

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  • adios muchachos gold member
    1 day ago
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    Thanks Angel

    I wrote this last Veteran's Day, and in about an hour I'm going to see my brother again. Am doing that today because I cannot get out there Wednesday.
    Congratulations on getting engaged!
    I'm glad you liked this poem. I hope we find our way out of this mess soon and bring all our guys and gals home where they belong.

    Thanks agai,
    John-Nevada


  • LovingAngelForever
    1 day ago
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    This poem is an excellent tribute. Very beautiful,very touching. I am a Patriot Guard Rider, and have stood at the funerals of those who have given their lives for our country... Seeing this tribute is wonderful. And as an Army Fiance... I say that this is a beautiful and loving poem.


  • csmmoms2
    2 days ago
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    A stunning tribute dear friend. -c

    • adios muchachos gold member
      2 days ago
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      Thanks a lot Chuck

      I'm going out there on Sunday early because I cannot get there on Wednesday.
      Is that you in uniform? You always were a good looking guy, in and out of uniform!
      Thanks again Chas. Be good.

      John


  • condor gold member
    October 2
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    A read I read so long ago and it is one that stood out in my mind from the moment I got back here. I still remember the feeling this piece gave me the first time. Your beautiful poem expresses the deep feelings that were felt at the time. I'm sure both your brother and your uncle would be looking upon you with smiles and thanking you. Noone really ever leaves us you know. They live on in our hearts, but what's more, they live on in another part of this world. I know my dad does for I have had the pleasure of seeing him long after he passed. I adore this piece because it speaks from experience and is raw and to the point. God bless you, your brother, uncle and all who have given so much and still do.

  • adios muchachos gold member
    August 23
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    Hi Des

    I'm glad you liked this poem. I'll get over to read yours in a bit.
    I hope we can get our troops home as soon as feasible. I think three tours over there is a bit much.

    John


  • Desiree-Valdez
    August 22

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    My fiance is in the Army, currently on his third tour in iraq, so this poem really touched me. I love this poem. God bless our soldiers.


  • Gypsy Via Orleans
    May 13
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    this is a moving poem that shows your patriotism and love for your brother. people often speak of the freedoms america allows her citizens but some forget the cost of this freedom. many have paid dearly for us. i thank you and your family for the sacrifice you've made.


  • camo.egg.army.gurl
    May 3

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    i have had too many friends and loved ones die for freedom and this reminded me of some of the things that happen at their graves too...


  • lacef
    April 10
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    very moving.

    America is a great place because of people like your brother. Much peace and love.


  • Gratitude
    March 23

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    WELL DONE. you had another civvy damn near moved to tears here... this is just brilliant, poigniant, painful... even for those of us who have little experience of war thankfully.

    loved the whole work but particularly:

    "Grand Canyon tours flew overhead,

    "Over tested, tried and honored dead,

    "...and give us this day our daily bread",

    she whispered. "

    so powerful. well done on such a moving and heartfelt write, and God bless.

    RIP to all the soldiers who have passed on x



    • adios muchachos gold member
      March 23
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      Gratitude

      Glad you liked my poem. Thanks for taking a look at it. Made my day.

      John-Nevada USA


  • robotinpurgatory
    February 27
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    This is really touching. I respect what your brother has done for our freedom.

    • adios muchachos gold member
      February 27
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      Thanks RIP

      I was there the other day again because I found some really good incense to bring him and my uncle. He liked that kind of stuff.
      Appreciate your taking time to see this.

      John-Nevada USA


  • wwfhrocks14
    February 25

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    wow. this was a truly touching tribute, to not only your brother, but to all who have sacrificed their loves for our country. this is beautiful, and i am crying. you touched me heart, john. i love it.

    • adios muchachos gold member
      February 26
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      Kat

      Didn't mean to have you crying but I'm flattered that it moved someone.
      Boulder City, where the Vets Cemetery is located, is south of Las Vegas, and the only town in the state where gambling in not allowed. Goes back to when they were building the Hoover Dam.
      Glad you liked the poem. How did you like that rhyming style? Pretty easy because of the repetition.

      Thanks again Kat!

      John

      • wwfhrocks14
        February 26
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        I really enjoyed the style. it was very creative indeed. And no worries, it was not a bad kind of crying. It was the good revelation kind. I'm so happy that your words can be shared with me. PS- this was and especially wonderful because it shows such a sweet sensative side that was different from the usual witty humor you have in other poems. <33


  • Sunshine Always
    January 13

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    Great tribute John to each and every soul that gave so much."Lest we should forget" Bless you for the reminder of how very lucky I am.........mal

    • adios muchachos gold member
      January 13
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      Thanks Mal...

      ...for taking a look at this. Happy you liked it.
      Only my sister and I now.
      Found a place where I can get fresher and more fragrant incense. I think he'll like that the next time I go.
      Hope things are well with you!

      John

  • adios muchachos gold member
    January 8
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    Hi Paula

    My brother didn't die in a war although he was in a war, Viet
    Nam and my uncle was in the south Pacific WWII.
    Remember this is Veteran's Day and not Memorial Day, when we honor those that fell.
    This is not the first time someone has said that. I think I should re-write it.

    But it is good to see you and hear from you. Hope to see you around these lairs!

    John


  • LdyBrknWing gold member
    January 8

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    A Poingnant, Fitting Tribute

    John, my friend, it has been awhile since I've been able to be on the site, and to read all my favorites, and as I come to your always wonderful and inspiring pages, I find this awesome tribute to your brother, Eric. First, please let me say how terribly sorry I am to know that he is no longer with your family, and yet, let me also say a heartfelt "Thank you," for making the ultimate sacrifice, your brother, to serve and protect our country. I'm so grateful, John, that there are still men out there who are willing to give up their hopes and dreams, and even their very lives, to protect our country. Honor and nobility are not dead; they live on in his memory, and all those like him who have paid the supreme sacrifice. Now...to your beautiufl poem. It's been awhile since a poem truly moved me, and made me really feel something, but this one did. Your picture was wonderful, too, as it set the mood just before taking in this incredible poem. I wish I could give you 100 applauses for this, John. One of your very best, my friend.

    Paula


  • LittleMoon silver member
    December 31, 2008

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    A very lovely tribute to your brother and his comrades in arms who gave their all for us who enjoy freedom. RIP and may their God bless them all. Sheila

    • adios muchachos gold member
      December 31, 2008
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      Thank you very much, Sheila...

      ...for your kind appraisal of this poem. My Brother and my Uncle did not die in a war, although they had both been in wars. This was Veteran's Day and not Memorial Day but the cemetery where they are is for both.
      Thanks very much for your kind words on this, much appreciated to be sure!

      John


  • redhanded
    December 15, 2008

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    very nicely pen'd great write!
    best of luck to you in the future and with your writing.
    andi
    (redhanded)


    • adios muchachos gold member
      December 21, 2008
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      Dear Red handed

      Just came across your comment and wanted to thank you for it. Sorry about that. Glad, you liked it.

      John


  • Mairi bheag gold member
    December 14, 2008
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    Very, very, very well-written!

    • adios muchachos gold member
      December 14, 2008
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      Mairi

      Thanks for your more than kind appraisal of my poem here. The terrible things we have to write about!
      Happy Holidays

      John


  • poetryality silver member
    December 5, 2008

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    John,

    I have lost relatives to War, Vietnam. My dad's younger brother in WWII. I can still vivdly remember the soldiers coming to my Aunt's house to bear the bad news about my cousin Stephen. I was 15.

    A beautiful tribute is what's written here. I feel every word in all it's sincerity and goodness. I detest war but I will always honor the noble men and women who fight for our liberties. It saddens my heart that they have to sacrifice their lives for something that should come without question.


    Much Love & Many Blessings ♥

    Renee

    • adios muchachos gold member
      December 6, 2008
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      Hello Renee

      I'm glad you cared for my Veterans poem today. So sorry for your family's loss.
      I see you've got my main man in the photo.LOL
      Hope things are well with you. I'm fine, although slightly out of kilter because of the holidays and most of mine gone on. First damn time it ever did me like that, at least to this degree.
      You be good! If not, be careful!LOL

      Happy Holidays

      John


  • emi
    November 28, 2008
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    Beautiful.


  • Mark Rickerby gold member
    November 25, 2008

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    Perfect

    This left me speechless. God bless your brother and your uncle, and God bless you. I pray that the world someday runs out of madmen who make all these damn wars necessary.

    Mark


    • adios muchachos gold member
      November 26, 2008
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      You're a good man Charlie Brown.
      Thanks for your note on the poem, Mark!

      John


  • joebliss
    November 22, 2008
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    great write, I've never seen it's like


    • adios muchachos gold member
      November 23, 2008
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      Thanks Joe...

      ...for your kind appraisal of my Veterans poem.
      So glad you cared for it.

      John-Nevada USA

  • celadia
    November 21, 2008

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    I love this, I find the rhyming and then the last line not rhyming makes a great emphasis, and you said a lot to those who gave their lives, if only they could hear.

    • adios muchachos gold member
      November 21, 2008
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      Dear Celadia

      Well, I'm glad you liked my poem! Have to remember to make a trip to your page, looks interesting! Blue trophies? Must be virtual oxidation of the bronze, right?LOL

      Thanks again C!

      John-Nevada USA


  • Clovis...Curious silver member
    November 19, 2008

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    Superb plus

    A very fine write, indeed. You expressed your thoughts quite well. This poem also reminded me of one which I wrote called: "Hollows". A link in a moment. You also might like to check my Profile Page and click on Homelessness, in the footnotes, which I've provided on each poem about the Homeless, their may be information in which you may be interested. Thanks for sharing. Here's the the link to Hollows: http://allpoetry.com/poem/2708768

  • A floatingleaf silver member
    November 17, 2008
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    Great tribute to your brother...well written...

    • adios muchachos gold member
      November 17, 2008
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      sunchaser

      Hey, thanks a lot. I miss him all the time but more on the National Holidays.

      Glad you like this.

      John-Nevada USA


  • SilentInsanity
    November 16, 2008

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    Shew i can fell the pride, sadness and respect all at the same time. This mix of emotions can make people do things like this.

    • adios muchachos gold member
      November 16, 2008
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      Long time no see!

      Thanks for the note! Yes, there were a lot of birds out there and rabbits too.
      And the lady. My brother and my uncle did not die in the war, but are buried in that cemetery.
      Glad you liked the poem. Just tried to keep it simple.
      Hope you've been well!
      Still waiting on that pecan pie and chicken!LOL
      Appreciate you getting back to me with your thoughts on this.

      John


  • ZachP gold member
    November 16, 2008

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    A Powerful and touching, dear poet, with powerful images and emotions. THank you for sharing this glorious tribute to your brother.

    God bless you
    Zach

    • adios muchachos gold member
      November 16, 2008
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      Dear Perdu

      I'm happy you liked my poem yesterday. I have not written many poems in one sitting, but I did this one.
      I wrote this for my brother, and ironically he hated poetry!
      Thanks for your notes on this, they are most welcome.

      Again, thank you very, very much!

      Regards,
      John-Nevada USA


  • Disturbed Prodigy
    November 15, 2008

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    i can only say this was golden my friend, i mean you put a lot of emotion in this, keep it flowing my friend.

    • adios muchachos gold member
      November 15, 2008
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      D P

      Thanks for taking the time to read and comment on my poem.
      Appreciate it a lot!
      Glad you liked it.

      John-Nevada USA


  • jayria
    November 14, 2008

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    great image i liked it alot
    for grand father fought ion Vietnam and thank god he survived or i would not be typing here today

    but to all those who lost loved ones in war i empathies with you all
    lest we forget

    • adios muchachos gold member
      November 14, 2008
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      Thanksa lot!

      Yeah, this brother was in Viet Nam as well. He was active in veteran's benefits when he came home. He passed away two years ago. He is my younger brother and we were inseparable as kids.

      I'm glad you liked this poem and I'm happy your grandfather is OK!

      Remember...the war to end all wars is the one we didn't fight!

      Again, thanks!

      John


  • Rose Angel gold member
    November 13, 2008

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    Appreciate this poem,as we in Canada remember our dead..Two great loved ones of the Great War, and my father who served in the Intelligence Corp. Sympathies with your losses in the wars too, John

    • adios muchachos gold member
      November 13, 2008
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      Hi Rose

      Ii didn't mean for the poem to imply that the vets in my family died in the war.
      Did it seem so? It was Veteran's Day and not Memorial Day. Although everyone in my family almost was in the service no one got killed.
      But my uncle and brother are there, as veterans. I might have to take this poem down as this is not the first time someone has brought this up.

      I am happy you liked it nonetheless.

      John


  • libithina
    November 11, 2008
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    Honoring the brave

    Can't believe the resonance as I attended a funeral on Friday for a much loved Aunt but her Father my Grandfather being in the First World War .. ninety years armistice on Sunday .. thinking of them and your brother Eric
    'at the going down of the sun we will remember them' Lib x x x

    • adios muchachos gold member
      November 12, 2008
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      Dear Libithina

      Sorry to hear about your auntie. My grandfather died before the first world war.
      He was thirty-three at the time and had been in the Coast Guard for several years.
      Glad, you liked the poem and took time to send your note. Made my day!

      John-Nevada USA


  • Aimee Hill
    November 11, 2008
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    Breathtaking!

    I'm sorry you lost your brother...he was brave and did what others couldn't even imagine. Your love of him obviously hasn't faltered. You know he's looking down on you

    I purely enjoyed reading this a SECOND time. I just had to come back, I bookmarked it and really do like reading it. On this day, as well as other days, we need to make sure we remember those that gave the ultimate fight.

    Thank you greatly, for sharing this with us here.

    • adios muchachos gold member
      November 12, 2008
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      Thanks again Aimee...

      ...for this second time. And I thought the only person reading my stuff twice was me!LOL
      Was very nice of you indeed!

      John-Nevada USA


      • Aimee Hill
        November 12, 2008
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        lol.. nope... I read things over and over and over..... well you get the point.


  • hawkeslake gold member
    November 11, 2008

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    This is wonderful and touching; and I am thinking of my brother, too, who is buried at Fort Snelling, among thousands of other veterans...Thank you for writing/posting for today.

    • adios muchachos gold member
      November 12, 2008
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      Dear HL

      Appreciate your looking at this poem today. I realized I had never written a poem for Veteran's Day and was able to do this in one sitting, despite the fact that I'd not written in a good while,

      Glad you liked it and a salute to your brother too!

      Thanks a lot!
      John-Nevada USA

  • mmook
    November 11, 2008
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    how beautiful is this! exceptional! very emotional


    • adios muchachos gold member
      November 12, 2008
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      Dear mmook

      Appreciate your taking a look at my poem yesterday.Glad you cared for it.

      John-Nevada USA


  • Catie Sheeran gold member
    November 11, 2008

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    what a riveting piece. wow...beautiful ...the ending really brought a tears to my eyes
    the intro and the ending were so powerful ... your a very talented writer
    sorry to hear about your loss.

    • adios muchachos gold member
      November 11, 2008
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      Thank you Cathryn...

      ...for your kind remarks on my poem. I actually went there this morning thinking we celebrated Veteran's Day on Monday. That will give me the chance to go to the parade tomorrow!LOL

      I'm glad you cared for the poem! Thanks again!

      John-Nevada USA


  • CelticQueen
    November 10, 2008
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    John, that was beautiful. It brought tears to my eyes. I am so sorry for your loss. celtic queen

    • adios muchachos gold member
      November 10, 2008
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      Hi, long time no see!

      How have you been? Ready for the holidays?
      Glad you liked the poem! First one I'd written in a great while. Tried a couple of different rhyme schemes but was not up to it!LOL
      Thanks for your note!

      "The war to end all wars is the one we didn't fight." Adios Muchachos

      Be well,
      John


  • ScottishPrincess silver member
    November 10, 2008

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    I am honoured to read such a beautiful poignant tribute you have penned ,your brother and uncle would be proud of this indeed,from Heaven your brother and uncle are watching over you,they are always with you,God Bless,Hazel

    • adios muchachos gold member
      November 10, 2008
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      Thank you Scots Princess-Hazel

      I appreciate your kind notes on my poem today. It was an altogether beautiful day, even to visit a cemetery!
      I hope you are entitled to holiday time-off as well.

      Again, thank you very much for your kind words. Made my day!

      John-Nevada USA


  • Cynthia Gaines gold member
    November 10, 2008

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    Thank You For Being A True Heart To All!!

    This is a very beautiful poem, though poignant, in sadly remembering our fallen heros who lost their lives in the name of freedom and love for their country and fellow humanity. This is a melancholy, yet special memorial, I'm sure your brother and uncle would be proud of. Thank you for sharing this tenderly written memoriam verse from your warm heart. You are an angel on earth. Peace, love and hugs to you always, xx Cyn xx

    • adios muchachos gold member
      November 10, 2008
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      Thank you Cyn...

      ... for your comments on my poem today. Greatly appreciated, to be sure!

      If in heaven they consider me an angel, then they must have waived a lot of the criteria they formerly had!LOL Not an angel, to be sure, but it is a nice thought
      nonetheless.

      I'm glad you liked this poem. I used the most simple rhyme scheme I know because I haven't written in a good while. Sounds like I did it OK, if the comments are any indication.

      Well, thanks again for reading this poem and getting back to me with your thoughts on it.

      Regards,
      John-Nevada USA


  • Aimee Hill
    November 10, 2008

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    I'm a passionately patriotic person...so all poems such as yours, hit me right where the
    heart lies. This poem has made me feel peace, sadness, pride, and love. I thank you for posting and sharing it here...it was a sheer pleasure to read

    • adios muchachos gold member
      November 10, 2008
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      Thanks a lot Aimee...

      ...for reading and commenting on my poem today. I'm glad it was to your liking, as was my hope.
      I hope it is a holiday where you are as well!

      Best regards,
      John-Nevada USA


  • sewasham gold member
    November 10, 2008
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    A touching write John, I enjoyed it very much. Good job. Take care and Have fun. Steve


    • adios muchachos gold member
      November 10, 2008
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      Thanks Steve

      Thanks for taking the time to get back to me with your thoughts on my poem
      today. Means a bunch!

      John


  • emc2
    November 9, 2008

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    Wow! This poem sends chills down one's spine. It is so touching and filled with so many powerful statments and emotions. You have done a wonderful job here. Such a lovely dedication and such a sacrafice people make for this nation.

    • adios muchachos gold member
      November 9, 2008
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      Thank you EMC2

      Thanks for you kind notes regarding my poem! So glad you liked it.
      I've made poems before for the various holidays, but never Veteran's Day!
      Don't know why I overlooked it.
      I really like your site name, emc2.
      I recently read a biography of Prof. Einstein and thoroughly enjoyed it once I became accustomed to the technical things in it.
      I wondered if WE, as poets, have our own theorem as does physics!
      So, I thought on that, and borrowed Einstein's,

      E=mc2

      Excellence = Mediocrity x Creativity 2

      Do you think that about gets it?LOL

      Thanks again for your more than kind appraisal of my poem.

      John-Nevada USA


  • UntitledScream
    November 9, 2008

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    WOW

    I got chills when I read this. I love it. I feel like I was there with you and I just want to hold your hand. I am sorry for your loss, your brother was clearly a remarkable man and I thank him for his service to our country. I love you you repeat the line:
    "And give us this day our daily bread",
    she whispered.

    everytime I read it I got chills. Whenever we say the lords prayer in my family we replace "bread" with "strength"..."And give us this day our daily strength."
    Sounds like what you need right now...

    Wonderful write
    -Linzi-

    • adios muchachos gold member
      November 9, 2008
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      Thank you Linzi...

      ...for your nice comments on my Vets poem today. "Daily strength" is great, and in high demand in these troubled times!
      Glad you liked this poem and took the time to let me know.

      Sincerely,
      John-Nevada USA


  • Cup-a-Joe silver member
    November 9, 2008
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    Thanks

    Very touching. Your brother would like this,Im sure.
    Joe

    • adios muchachos gold member
      November 9, 2008
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      Thank you Joe...

      ...for your kind words. Glad you liked the poem.

      My brother was in Viet Nam as well. 101st Airbourne. He was very active in Veteran's Affairs and making certain that Vets got their benefits. He later got into the state's educational system and retired from there. He passed away in 2006. As kids we were inseparable.
      He has a daughter and a grandson.

      Thanks again for the look see.
      BTW, I don't think he would have liked this poem! He hated poetry! LOL
      Well, that's too bad!LOL

      John-Nevada USA


  • arafura gold member
    November 9, 2008
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    Exceptional. This really hits home.

    • adios muchachos gold member
      November 9, 2008
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      Thank you John...

      ...for you notes on this poem.

      Every time someone says I've got an exceptional poem going, I have to take a closer look at it! LOL
      I did find about a half dozen mistakes in it, and did a little pruning here and there.
      Hope you are having a good week-end!

      John

  • csmmoms2
    November 8, 2008

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    That was lovely

    John
    A fitting tribute to all that have served and to all that gave up everything. Well done. November 11th will soon be with us.

    • adios muchachos gold member
      November 9, 2008
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      Thank you very much

      It was my custom to write about holidays as they came, but somehow forgot to write about Veteran's Day.
      Glad you liked the poem!

      John

  • condor gold member
    November 8, 2008

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    This is a very moving poem that honours all the brave that ever gave their lives for others freedom. A beautiful tribute, my friend, and your words were so emotionally charged, i had tears in my eyes. Yes, veterans day, rememberance day, whichever we call it, is a time to pay our deepest respects to those souls that never made it home. The picture you used is so befitting. I congratulate you on this excellent write and tribute.

    • adios muchachos gold member
      November 8, 2008
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      Hi Condor

      It is always risky to mention places and things that are endemic to a certain area as the reader will not know what you are referring to.
      That airport in the poem is a small one and home to a fleet of planes that take
      tourists to the Grand Canyon. They start taking off about 6 o'clock AM.

      I tried to write a poem in a different rhyme scheme than what you see but haven't written anything in so long that I couldn't do it.LOL Guess I'm not hitting on all cylinders!LOL

      Glad you liked it though. Just wanted to get something up for Veteran's Day.

      Thanks a lot!

      John

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