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To Wholeness we can never add, for wholer it won’t get,
and not less whole will Wholeness be, subtracting This from That.
For whole I am, and whole you are, and whole is all that is.
That unconditioned Holy Whole won’t grow and won’t decrease.
What’s never born, will never die – Eternity can’t cease.
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A contest entry
- Answer me then pen 5 mysterious lines by Venugopal.
425 points, ended September 11, 2008, 8 entries
Gold trophy winner
• next poem in this contest, remove from contest
Please tell me what you think
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My goodness, this is amazing! Such lovely flow of rhyme, and such true lines... really, you are very talented. I look forward to perusing more of your work Please never stop writing!
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How poetically put my dear friend. Every poem that I read of yours rings a beautiful bell of truth, and this lovely verse is certainly no exception.
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Oh my goodness
Most interesting muse here yet so true it is
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There is a scripture in Lamentations
"He has placed eternity in the hearts of men
Yet they cannot understand his plan from beginning to end..."
I am so saddened with those who think the grave is ultimate
http://allpoetry.com/poem/4406775
This manifestation is thought provoking, and won the judges respect...
But I find it lacking the elegance the notion deserves...
It is not a nursery rhyme.
I hit a big pothole at 'wholer' first line.
Can't organize the rest of the swirling thoughts in this wind...
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yes, the mind tends to crave for "elegance" ...
but the heart rejoices when the mind is defeated through humour ...
then both of them laugh together ...
applied to your quote of "lamentations" : beginning and end belong to the limited mind - yet eternity belongs to the unconditioned heart ...
I can write serious verses about serious subjects - but I have the experience that the bitter medicine goes down much easier with a little silliness ... it catches the attention more easily ...
"teaching wisdom with a smile" ...
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Excellent.
Hi. Congrats on the Gold - this piece well deserves the trophy and I'm certainly with you on its message. I try to say something similar in my piece, "The Past is Now" http://allpoetry.com/poem/3803698. I look forward to more from you. Cheers, jimmy -
Nicely done
A pleasant read with a deeper meaning.
Jim
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yay !
thank you, jim ...
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Best of luck
"What’s never born, will never die – Eternity can’t cease."
An excellent truth reiterated in nice words
congrats for winning the deserved GOLD -
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thank you so much, my friend, for your most appreciated visit and kind words ...
marion
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the great mystic philosophy of the vedas and upanishads that psychic being as a part of cosmic being well expressed in 5 lines is appreciable..
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thank you so much, my friend nilav, for your kind visit here on my page ...
marion
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No subtracting maa from maa,
for that would erase our maa,
and we love her whole, complete,
with wisdom and joy replete.
No nunnery here!
M-C
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thank you for your encouraging and loving comment, mary ... I sometimes doubt about my loveability ...
you're the best cheerleader ever ...
yay !
love you so much,
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You need to do no more
than breathe deeply
to blow those doubts away,
so easily can they be dispersed!
So pleasing to read new words from you again!
M-C
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Congratulations
Congratulations for Gold trophy. To your true and beautiful lines on "Formless" I add singing "Every form is part of The Whole. So who adds to whom!".
My line is added only to sing with you, not to complete it.
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thank you, my dear brother ...
sometimes, I get so entranced by form that I tend to forget the formless space that is the source of its manifestation ...
much love,
marion didi
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I remember reading some poems by a 20c Quaker poet who used to do similar linguistic tricks with "whole", "holy", and so on. It's a lovely trick, and you have pulled it off.
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yes, not very original, is it ?
I'm sure you would do a much better job on this subject ... no doubt about it ...
maybe I have to get rid of "the nun" within me, before my poems become less cliché ... let's go and tickle her, it seems it's nun-tickling-season right now !!!
much love,
marion
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Marion, honey, the "lack of originality" wasn't a criticism. Let's face it, there is nothing any of us poets say that hasn't been said before! I love the "nun" in you - you are the nun with the merry eyes, who saves a sausage roll just so she can eat it secretly on Friday!
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of course not ...
it's my own "inner judge", not anybody out there ...
you know, the feeling of "never good enough" that comes up again and again from the "inner soul-well" ...
it's good when it comes up, so that it can be vomited out ... oh yuck !!!
the sausage roll sounds fun, especially if it is "soja-sausage" ... she's still a vegetarian nun, after all
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Jings! That would SO wreck the whole point of her little bit of rebellion!
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and consciousness replaces the costume of the nun with that of maa durga and rides off on her lion to the source of bliss ...
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Have a nice day.
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sweet reason
It could not be put better! This is very sweet to read and contemplate. Congratulations for your gold, sweetie!
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yay, I am lucky this morning
the inner child tickling the inner sage ... and both have fun ... 
thank you so much for your wholly holy visit, my sister,
much love,
marion
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A wonderful thought penned in mysterious lines. whole can never be disturbed by adding or subtracting. whole remains holy as you said thank you for sharing
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yes, indeed ... we sometimes prefer to focus on the "hole" rather than on the "whole", forgetting the "holy" that it is ...
thank you from my heart for this beautiful gift this morning,
marion
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All part of becoming part of the one
Beautifully written - concise and true!
We should all be grateful to be part of the loop that intertwines us all.
Best to you in the contest
Your froggey legged brother
Tangy
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hello, my froggy-legged brother tangy,
so nice to see you stop by ...
I love these words by william blake that faithfully translate your thoughts here :
"To see a world in a grain of sand
and heaven in a wild flower,
Hold infinity in the palm of your hand
and eternity in an hour."
much love
sister maa
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I do believe that I am speechless here and that is NO EASY FEAT!!! You are an incredible writer to be able to write such brilliance!!! Very wonderful job and best wishes....
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thank you so much for your generous words, my friend ...
I only intended to play around a bit with the prompt, which was a very ancient sanskrit mantra ... it's the little girl in me that symbolically jumped on the lap of the old indian sage and tickled him until they both laughed ...
much love,
marion
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From you things that seem so complex come so easy out. Always with a feeling of peace and simple matter of SEEING what is before our eyes.
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honestly, my sister, I was unaware that I had that ability you so kindly attribute to me ... now, thanks to you, I am aware of it, obrigaaaaaada !!!
feedback such as yours help me find some hidden gifts that have been buried in the soil of my soul ... how delightful to see them come to the surface ...
thank you so much, my sister
mari -on
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An amazing revelation written in just five lines, proving much can be said with very few words.
Less is indeed more!
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hello, my beautiful flower-fairy,
thank you so much for encouraging me to concentrate my thoughts and words, in order to focus on the essential rather than losing myself in "the story" ...
much, much love,
marion
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Wholeness,
I believe it may be that lack of feeling whole,
simply not being aware of who we truly are and always searching outward to fill that void, emptiness. when we look within we see clearly, we see the whole. the eternal, there is no yin without the yang, it is the balance that we need to find, by accepting, we create balance.
Gorgeous write my rainbow sister
we indeed have eternity
God bless always...
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yes, in being nothing (no thing), we are everything ... when we allow ourselves to merge into the void (consciousness without manifestation), we realize that this emptiness is wholeness at the same time (containing the infinite potential of manifestation) ...
or like my hubby said this morning, when we drank our tea : "cheese needs milk in order to exist - yet milk exists without its manifestation as cheese" ...
much love, my rainbow-sister
and "over-the-rainbow-sister"
marion
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outstanding!
wow, an incredible and involving piece! one of my favorites from you my friend! -
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I rarely write short poems, and maybe sometimes less might be more ? you encourage me to work on synthesizing my thoughts (and words) in order to give them more weight ...
thank you,
maa
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Ah, very Zen like, wisdom in it's simplest form. I agree.
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a playful approach to an ancient sanskrit mantra whose translation offered the prompt to this inspiring contest ...
thank you so much for your kind visit,
maa
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The Whole (Holy) Truth
Amen, li'l sis, amen...
Rahad
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I was thinking that you probably would have responded to the question with the word "truth" ... you can't add to it, nor remove anything from it ... it won't get truer or less true ...
thank you for the clappies ...
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Congratulations on your gold cup
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