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Hubris ad Finitum, and Latter-Day Latin

One once thought to oneself
(or liked to think that it did)
that therefore it was—
and that seemed for the best.
Others found this thought impressive,
and likewise found themselves,
until manyone neverywhere
unanimously disagreed
that blessed were they
who thought they should be.

And as to think is to know
is to know what to do,
so, with wavering uncertainty,
every none of them did
(or did unto one another)
exactly as none
would have done unto one self.
All righteous might for smiting
comes with foresight for writing wrongs,

therefore other cheeks were turned
when the right ones were smitten.

Thus the eyes and teeth of ancients

were always taken one for one,

in equal measure with the Words

that they saw fit to call the Truth.  

 

Ours is a fascinating tale;

each time it's told, the details differ.

Perhaps a moral lies beyond them,

and that's why empires rise and fall:

 

Upon a number of times,
just as many onces,
    [characters]
    [setting]
    [plot]
(the part before)


    THE END


And nothing continues to happen ever after.



 

 

Author notes

I think one of our great faults as a species is our arrogance, and that it is incumbent upon us to just admit that there are things we cannot know. Without that kind of humility, everyone "knows" something different, and separate groups of people with conflicting unquestionable truths wind up killing each other in huge numbers for thousands of years while others look askance and learn nothing. Sound familiar?

I like the idea that what is real is touchable in part, but in general beyond our comprehension. If we really could truly, entirely know real things, then shouldn't we be able to communicate them, too? Wouldn't we all agree about the important stuff then? This poem tells of the misfortune that continually befalls us as we seek to define truth authoritatively: ignorance + pride + disagreement = war.

Some would have it that Science will ultimately allow us to know everything. I disagree. Here, essentially, is the Scientific method:

1. Observe nature with your human senses, and notice stuff about what you think you see.
2. Describe ("measure") that stuff in some human-friendly way, such that when other humans observe nature like you did, they will notice similar stuff (i.e. "collect data"). Do this a lot.
3. Think really hard, and come up with a human idea that can a) explain the stuff you noticed, and predict the stuff you'll notice next time.
4. Allow other humans to try really, really hard to prove that the idea is wrong, based on logical disagreement with ideas humans say are true.
5. If the other humans fail for a really long time, win the Nobel Prize.

At the very best, then, through Science, perhaps we will one day come to the point where we fail to prove our own human ideas wrong in convenient human terms. I submit that there is a huge difference between the absolute truth about reality and abstractions that are not obviously false in simplified, human terms. What justification is there for the assertion that human terms can successfully describe reality in the first place?

We are a clever species of primate. Language is a convenience that we developed by necessity. We use it to relate our experiences and what we take away from them. Perhaps it wouldn't cause problems if we accepted our humble place in the grand scheme of things, and entertained the idea that our capacity to "know" and "understand" is quite limited.

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  • This poem is certainly ingenious and captivating. It has a certain style to it that is unique in its own uniform and points out specific flaws within humanity.

    As you said... "ignorance + pride + disagreement = war"

    So, so, so very true.
    An interesting observation and creative write on the ways of mankind.

    Good write
    -Thank you for your entry, Angi Terese
  • Man!! When this contest is over and I find out who you are, I am definitely going to have to read more of your work. This reaches into places one has to exercise their mind to even have hopes of understanding the depths of profoundness with which this is written, at least I would have to. Good write. thank you for entering my contest and good luck with the judging xxxx

  • scoff
    April 4

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    I'll be no help on the revisions you want to make,

    but I wanted to add this quote for your consideration. I think it goes to the heart of what you're saying:

    "As for me, all I know is that I know nothing."
    ~ Socrates

    It's all we'll ever know for sure.

  • ecrivain01 silver member
    February 8
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    Well ...

    you seem to be collecting Golds here. Good job. A Silver's pretty good too. Somehow I liked the explanation in your notes better than the poem, but that's just me. All in all, it works very well.

  • stompsalot
    January 12

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    brilliant

    Nolie curare esto laeti! Vita est duram!
    I totally love this write! very intriguing , enlightening piece of work! this is one i can read over and over again.
    thanks for sharing your talent!
    blessings and istomps


    • JustBe gold member
      January 12
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      Damn, that's fluent Latin you've got there. I'm a dilettante in that regard, so hat's off to you. Also, thank you for your compliment. Those always feel so nice.
      ~Morgan

  • Aesthete
    January 11

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    This is very brilliant. One of the first things on this site to truly call for multiple readings. Excellant work.


    • JustBe gold member
      January 12
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      Good grief!

      Now there is a high compliment. Whole-hearted thanks for taking the time to write it. It felt good.

  • xbyebyebeauty
    January 11

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    This took my breath away.
    You have a brilliant mind.

    This was EXACTLY what I was looking for.
    Very well done.


  • take.your.time
    January 5
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    damn.
    i like that you never used I.
    it's so hard to do that.
    i fail at it.

  • RedwingSpirit silver member
    January 4

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    This is very creative and I believe I understand what you are talking about. Anyway thank you for entering my contest and I wish you the best of luck


  • left
    January 4
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    The first part of the title of your poem could be hung on a sign above almost anything conjured in this world. It feels like a Confucianistic attempt to confuse a world that is already baffled beyond its lack of wit. Like holding a mirror to a blind man asking him what he can make of it. Thank you for creating and sharing. I enjoyed reading this rather unorthodox expression. Best of luck in the contest. Take care,

    AD

    . Rewarded 8


    • JustBe gold member
      January 4
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      And thank you

      for commenting. It is refreshing to see that someone really thought about this. A lot of people interpret this as bunk pseudo-intellectual ramblings and fun with words, and I find that so frustrating.
      We're an arrogant species, and we think everything is knowable, yet everyone "knows" something different; that's why people kill each other while others look askance and learn nothing.
      Thanks again.
      ~Morgan

      • left
        January 4

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        Being aware is a blessing and a curse simultaneously. But even the knowledge of the aware is relative to whatever greater circumstance encompasses its scope. It is better to peek ahead to see what else can be learned than to become annoyed over the ignorance that has resulted in such an abundance of lamentable consequence. It is easier said then done (say I speaking from experience), but very worthwhile, because the preciousness of awareness is evidently grossly underestimated in a world trapped in ignorance. Take care,

        AD


  • JM Kenyon silver member
    December 25, 2007

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    Clever and confusing This has all the elements that I was looking for as well as technique beyond just those of sound. Excellence.

    s and best wishes always... ~Genie~
  • ecrivain01 silver member
    December 15, 2007

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    This reminds me ...

    of the conversation we were just having.

    Seven years of doubespeak has left me weary and disillusioned. We are having a lot of snow here this year. You'll be surprised.


  • A60sMan
    December 10, 2007

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    After ponderous wading through the listed poems in this contest I finally come upon something creative. You've put some thought into this poem, JB, and it stands out. "manyone neverywhere" put me off for a bit, but upon re-reading I grokked their meaning. I like the way you've "unthought" things in this piece. Well written ... or not, you decide. :-)

    A60sMan


  • neurosine gold member
    December 9, 2007

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    Mimsy were their golden rules. Ah memories of fallacy and word play. Why does your writing always remind me of my college logic class?
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