St. Peter the first pope
Of the roman catholic church
w.peter sanci july 23/ 2007
This is the story of the life of St. Peter, my name sake.
I think that he is one of the most important apostles.
At first he was just a shy old fisherman, but by the time he died, you think he won the sweepstake.
St peter was from Bethesda, a town in galliee,
After jesus choose him to be the leader of hid n mew church., Ill bet he felt like he won the lottorrey.
But then rememeber when jesus called him, jesus said, Come and follow me and make you fishers of men. matt. 4: 18.
And peter and his brother andrew, left everything they owned and followed jesus.
Then jesus gave simon a new name, cephas, which means rock, and upon this rock I shall build my church and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it. matt. 16: 16 -18
Peter was also made the first pope and leader of the holy catholic church when jesus gave him the keys to the kingdom of heaven, I will give you the keys to the kingdom of heaven, whatever you bind on earth shall be bound in heaven. Whatever you shall loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven. Matt 16; 19
SO THUS WE HAVE THE BEGINNING OF THE LIFE OF ST. PETER.
THE FATHER OF THE ROMAN CATHOLIC CHURCH !
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I have always liked St. Peter my name sake who rose from a humble fisherman to the leader of one of the largest religion.
Please tell me what you think
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This is a great big WOW
I love your feligion and your churches. I loved Your Pope John Paul and Pope John Paul 23rd. No I'm sorry,
I'm not Catholic, but this dosen't mean I can't admire
it just the same, Luthern if you want to know. Take care...mac
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mcheade !
I just wanted to thank you so very much for you're very kind remarks about my poem. I appreciate it more than you'll ever know. -
Mc !
Why thanks somuch for you're very kind words about my poem. I appreciiate them so very,very much. -
Mc !
Sorry, I didn't mean to imply that ! I am so glad that you enjoy ky poems. I appreciate the fine comments on my woerk. -
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MC !
Hi ! I just wanted to thabk you so very much for you're very kind words about my poem ! I appreciate them more than you'll ever know. -
Thank ever so much !
I just want to thank you so very much for you're very kind words about my poem ! I apprecate them so very much !
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Scroll down and read my reply to Goldmare. You needed some defending me thinks!
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An interesting snippet from the life of St Peter. Just one critique, how do you know he was old and shy when he met Jesus? Slight embellishment there on your part. Tut! lol
Peace Georgia
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Funny but my image of Peter when he met JC is of a drunken, loud, revelling nutter who'd ride a Triumph Bonny if they'd existed! lol
Well I used to live in a fishing town and have met fishermen; it's a tough job going out on the trawlers in all weather and they need to be rough and hard men.
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Please put option number in your Author Notes
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Gold,are !
Why thanks so much for ponting out my weak spots ! I really appreciate the time you took to do thia for me, many thanks. -
Insanitys !
Ok I have gone and done that ok !
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Indeed, this is an... interesting piece. Seems more like prose than poetry, however. I think you shouldn't have the scripture references in the text of the poem (maybe use asterisks instead, and have the references in your comment box). Also, you forgot to include the option number in your comment box.
Although we have very different views (Peter was never called a pope [peter means pebble/stone, not rock], never considered himself the leader of the church [Jesus is the head, we are the body], and the Roman Catholic church never existed until well after Peter's death), I do have appreciation for the message here. It's good that you are so fond of your name and your namesake.
Peter was indeed an important member of the church when it first came into beiing, and a great role model. If Peter, as easily influenced as he was at first, can become such a strong member of the faith, then any of us can! He is a great source of hope amongst Christians.
Best wishes in the contest!
Goldmare
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As far as I'm aware the Catholic church did make St Peter the first Pope, after his death of course! And Pietro doesn't say Peter considers himself the leader of the church. Where did you get your info about Peter meaning pebble or stone, not rock? It wasn't Peter but Paul who said Jesus is the head and we are the body Colossians 1.18.
Peace Georgia
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I never said it was Peter who said Christ was the head and we the body... only that that's the case. ^^; Also, I was just pointing out some basic differences in belief. Not all my points were based on the poem; some were based on my knowledge of the beliefs of the Roman Catholic church, apart from what is mentioned in the poem.
The translation of Peter as stone is based on the original Greek. Try looking up the verse (Matthew 16:18) here: http://www.scripture4all.org/ [The site shows the original language (Hebrew/Greek), the direct translation, and then compares it to how it was written in the King James version, so you can see how accurate it is.] Although both are translated as "rock" on the site, you can see that they are different words. Peter is petros, while the following "rock" is petra. Obviously, they're not referring to the same rock.
But, really, it's all just a question of whether you accept the authority of the Roman Catholic church and whether they have the right to make such decisions. I don't, quite simply, and that's all there is to it.
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goldmare !
Hi ! I just want to thank you for all the trouble you went through for such a detailed comment. I have to respond to you're one point atbout I did mention the fact thst Jesus chsnged Peter's name to Peter " I am giving you a new name Peter, which means rock and you will be the head of my church on earth. Whatever you bind on earth will be bound in heaven, whatever you looseon earth shall be loosed in heaven. " I don't know but to me that certainly sounds like a commossion to be the leader of the new church. Thanks again for taking the time to leave you're remarks. -
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You're welcome.
Although, that isn't an exact quote of the scripture (mind, I don't know what version you are using).
The exact scripture (in the NKJV) is: "And I also say to you that you are Peter, and on this rock I will build My church, and the gates of Hades shall not prevail against it."
- Peter, in the original Greek, was Petro, which refers to a small stone/pebble.
- The word 'rock' in the original Greek was petra, which refers to a large boulder.
- It goes on to say in other places that Jesus is the Rock, and the Cornerstone of the foundation of the church.
Jesus is the Rock on which our church is founded, not a mere man.
[ Reference: www.scripture4all.org ]
That said, Peter was indeed a great and important man in the church, who was instrumental in the conversion of many.
Also, I must thank you. A lot of people, when faced with comments that either disagree with the content of the poem, or are simply critical in general, get defensive about it. You, however, have been quite reasonable. I appreciate that. AP needs more people like you. ^_^
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Goldmare !
Hi !
Well I have you're answer for you now. I checked a Catholic Concordance and here id what it said aviut Jesus making Peter the Head of the Church.
John Chapter 21
Christ manifests himself to his disciples by the sea side and gives Peter the charge of his sheep.
21:1. After this, Jesus shewed himself to the disciples at the sea of Tiberias. And he shewed himself after this manner.
21:2. There were together: Simon Peter and Thomas, who is called Didymus, and Nathanael, who was of Cana of Galilee, and the sons of Zebedee and two others of his disciples.
21:3. Simon Peter saith to them: I go a fishing. They say to him: We also come with thee. And they went forth and entered into the ship: and that night they caught nothing.
21:4. But when the morning was come, Jesus stood on the shore: yet the disciples knew not that it was Jesus.
21:5. Jesus therefore said to them: Children, have you any meat? They answered him: No.
21:6. He saith to them: Cast the net on the right side of the ship; and you shall find. They cast therefore: and now they were not able to draw it, for the multitude of fishes.
21:7. That disciple therefore whom Jesus loved said to Peter: It is the Lord. Simon Peter, when he heard that it was the Lord, girt his coat about him (for he was naked) and cast himself into the sea.
21:8. But the other disciples came in the ship (for they were not far from the land, but as it were two hundred cubits) dragging the net with fishes.
21:9. As soon then as they came to land they saw hot coals lying, and a fish laid thereon, and bread.
21:10. Jesus saith to them: Bring hither of the fishes which you have now caught.
21:11. Simon Peter went up and drew the net to land, full of great fishes, one hundred and fifty-three. And although there were so many, the net was not broken.
21:12. Jesus saith to them: Come and dine. And none of them who were at meat, durst ask him: Who art thou? Knowing that it was the Lord.
21:13. And Jesus cometh and taketh bread and giveth them: and fish in like manner.
21:14. This is now the third time that Jesus was manifested to his disciples, after he was risen from the dead.
21:15. When therefore they had dined, Jesus saith to Simon Peter: Simon, son of John, lovest thou me more than these? He saith to him: Yea, Lord, thou knowest that I love thee. He saith to him: Feed my lambs.
21:16. He saith to him again: Simon, son of John, lovest thou me? He saith to him: yea, Lord, thou knowest that I love thee. He saith to him: Feed my lambs.
21:17. He said to him the third time: Simon, son of John, lovest thou me? Peter was grieved because he had said to him the third time: Lovest thou me? And he said to him: Lord, thou knowest all things: thou knowest that I love thee. He said to him: Feed my sheep.
Feed my sheep. . .Our Lord had promised the spiritual supremacy to St. Peter; St. Matt. 16. 19; and here he fulfils that promise, by charging him with the superintendency of all his sheep, without exception; and consequently of his whole flock, that is, of his own church.
21:18. Amen, amen, I say to thee, When thou wast younger, thou didst gird thyself and didst walk where thou wouldst. But when thou shalt be old, thou shalt stretch forth thy hands, and another shall gird thee and lead thee whither thou wouldst not.
21:19. And this he said, signifying by what death he should glorify God. And when he had said this, he saith to him: Follow me.
21:20. Peter turning about, saw that disciple whom Jesus loved following, who also leaned on his breast at supper and said: Lord, who is he that shall betray thee?
21:21. Him therefore when Peter had seen, he saith to Jesus: Lord, and what shall this man do?
21:22. Jesus saith to him: So I will have him to remain till I come, what is it to thee? Follow thou me.
21:23. This saying therefore went abroad among the brethren, that that disciple should not die. And Jesus did not say to him: He should not die; but: So I will have him to remain till I come, what is it to thee?
21:24. This is that disciple who giveth testimony of these things and hath written these things: and we know that his testimony is true.
21:25. But there are also many other things which Jesus did which, if they were written every one, the world itself. I think, would not be able to contain the books that should be written.
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Well, I have my own opinion on what the "feed My sheep" scene was all about, but it's not important here. Why? Simply because, as I said to Aslan, I do not even believe in the authority of the pope. As such, any claim that Peter was the first pope is irrelevant to me. Christ Himself is the leader of the church, and for any human to claim the same role, or to claim to have equal authority to Him, is blasphemy. This is how I believe.
Also, use of Roman Catholic writings as evidence of Peters pope-hood doesn't really make sense in a discussion with someone who is not a member of the church herself. ^^;
I have nothing against members of the church -- one of my good friends from high school is one herself -- I just don't hold to the same doctrines.
Sorry, I didn't really mean to start a whole theological discussion. Ah, but that seems to often end up happening when I comment on things of a religious nature. >_>; I really need to stop going overboard on these things... -
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Goldmare !
Hi ! It's perfectly alright to have you'er own view of things. I was just trying to set you straight on our Church's Teaching on the matter of why WE believe that Peter is the pope and the " First : Spiritual Leader of the One Universal True Church " of Jesus Christ ! -
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*nod* I more-or-less understood already, though I wasn't aware that the time when Jesus was speaking to Peter about feeding His sheep was also viewed that way.
I once heard that the reason Jesus said this to Peter specifically, and why He said it three times, was to reinforce the lesson Peter learned after denying Jesus three times.
Nevertheless, it's interesting to see different people's perspective on things. I'm just a layman (er, laywoman), but I find these discussions interesting as well. ^_^
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aslanlight !
Hi,
That was my favourite book going through University, We took it in my first year Philosophy ! I underlined all the pages I thought were significant !Ha ,ha practically all of them ! It's a great book. -
Goldmare !
Hi !
Where have you been ? To chicken to face off with me on the topic of Anges ? Send ne an w to wpsanci@sympatico.ca. -
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I haven't chickened off... just haven't gotten around to writing my reply yet. Sorry for the delay. ^^; (Also, it looks like not all your reply was posted. Perhaps we'd be better off continuing in private messages.) I'd rather not use email, though.
PS: Your reply to aslanlight won't reach that person, since it was made in reply to my comment instead of aslan's. Just thought I'd mention...
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Goldmare !
Here are some further point's on the fact that Peter got his headship of the pope directly from Jesus himself,.
Of immense importance to the question of leadership of the church today is the issue of the Apostle Peter and doctrine of apostolic succession. It has already been demonstrated that Peter was not the first bishop of the first church. We cannot, however, deprive him of the critical leadership role that he played in the early church, nor dismiss the frequent references in the early church back to the successive bishops in Rome that derived their customs and rule of faith from Peter and Paul themselves. Irenaeus in particular, draws a detailed lineage back to these two apostles in Rome. He says:
tradition derived from the apostles, of the very great, the very ancient, and universally known Church founded and organized at Rome by the two most glorious apostles, Peter and Paul; as also [by pointing out] the faith preached to men, which comes down to our time by means of the successions of the bishops. For it is a matter of necessity that every Church should agree with this Church, on account of its pre- eminent authority, that is, the faithful everywhere, inasmuch as the apostolical tradition has been preserved continuously by those [faithful men] who exist everywhere.
3. The blessed apostles, then, having founded and built up the Church, committed into the hands of Linus the office of the episcopate. Of this Linus, Paul makes mention in the Epistles to Timothy. To him succeeded Anacletus; and after him, in the third place from the apostles, Clement was allotted the bishopric. This man, as he had seen the blessed apostles, and had been conversant with them, might be said to have the preaching of the apostles still echoing [in his ears], and their traditions before his eyes. Nor was he alone [in this], for there were many still remaining who had received instructions from the apostles. In the time of this Clement, no small dissension having occurred among the brethren at Corinth, the Church in Rome dispatched a most powerful letter to the Corinthians, exhorting them to peace, renewing their faith, and declaring the tradition which it had lately received from the apostles… From this document, whosoever chooses to do so, may learn that He, the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, was preached by the Churches, and may also understand the apostolic tradition of the Church, since this Epistle is of older date than these men who are now propagating falsehood, and who conjure into existence another God beyond the Creator and the Maker of all existing things. To this Clement there succeeded Evaristus. Alexander followed Evaristus; then, sixth from the apostles, Sixtus was appointed; after him, Telephorus, who was gloriously martyred; then Hyginus; after him, Pius; then after him, Anicetus. Sorer having succeeded Anicetus, Eleutherius does now, in the twelfth place from the apostles, hold the inheritance of the episcopate. In this order, and by this succession, the ecclesiastical tradition from the apostles, and the preaching of the truth, have come down to us. And this is most abundant proof that there is one and the same vivifying faith, which has been preserved in the Church from the apostles until now, and handed down in truth.
This text is one of the earliest and most critical in establishing the idea of apostolic succession and primacy of Rome. There is however, a significant error in this line of reasoning. It is the fact that this text, like the other comparable Ante-Nicene "succession" texts, have nothing to do with apostolic succession, as it is taught by Romanism today. As a matter of fact, they contradict the whole contemporary concept of apostolic succession. In order to understand this, we need to look at where the office of apostle comes from, as well as the intent of these early church
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