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Virtue Is Its Own Reward (And It Better Be Because Nobody Else Will!)

 


Have you ever noticed how just being an artist doesn’t impress most people at all, but when you actually achieve something (i.e., get paid), they have an entirely different and much higher opinion of you?  It's as if just being an artist is completely worthless unless and until the outside world takes notice.  It's a very sad situation.

To illustrate my point, here’s an actual conversation I heard in a L.A. nightclub recently . . .

 

(A very beautiful girl sits at the bar.  A young man wearing khaki’s and a plain white shirt approaches somewhat shyly.)

 

He:
Hi.  I was watching you from across the bar and just wanted to say I think you're very pretty.

She:
(Without looking at him or smiling, as if she is told this several thousand times a day.) 
Thanks.

He:
Can I buy you a drink?

 

She:
(Gives him the once over and is clearly unimpressed with his attire.) 
(Sighs.)  Sure, why not.

 

He:
What would you like?

 

She:
A Mai Tai.  (The most expensive drink on the menu.)

 

He:
Bartender, can I get a Mai Tai, please?

 

She:
So what do you do?  (Almost always the first question in L.A.)

 

He:
I’m an actor.

 

She:
Oh Jesus, not another one.  (Yawns.)  So, in other words, you’re unemployed, right?  Everybody’s an actor in this town.  I took a cab the other day.  The guy could hardly speak English and he was an actor.  You can’t spit in Los Angeles without hitting a friggin’ actor.  They’re a dime a dozen.  I think they should replace lab rats with actors because there are more actors than rats, and there are certain things that rats just won’t do.  (Laughs.) Don't get me started on actors.  They're cattle.  Cheap whores who will do anything for money.  So anyway, what are you doing - a play at a junior college or something?

 

He:
Actually, I just booked a starring role in a sitcom.  The starting pay is a hundred and fifty thousand dollars per episode.

 

She:
Wow!  You know, I love actors.  They're so interesting and deep.  I’ve always had the highest respect for actors and their craft.

 

He:
Really?  That’s strange because a second ago you said –

 

She:
Oh, I was just joking around.  Would you like to sit on my face?

 

He:
Excuse me?

 

She:
Sorry, I just get so excited when I’m around actors, I start saying silly things.

 

He:
Hmm.  Well, it was nice meeting you.  I have to go now.

 

She:
No!!!  I mean, why don’t you stay a while?

 

He:
I’ve really got to go.  (Gets up to leave.)

 

She:
(Takes paper and pen out of purse and starts writing rapidly.)  Well, here’s my number.   Call me sometime.  You won’t be sorry, if you know what I mean.  (Winks.)

 

He:
Yeah, I’ll do that.

 

She:
Hey, before you go, could you sign my boob?

 

He:
What?

 

She:
Could you autograph my tit?  I just know you're going to be a big star!

 

He:
Uh, I guess so.  (She pops one out.  He takes the pen and writes his name on it.)

 

She:
Thank you!  I’ll never wash it again.

 

He:
Okaaaayyy.  Bye.

 

She:
Hey, by the way, I’m an actress.  If there’s ever a part on your show you think I might be good for you, call me, okay?

 

He:
(Yelling from the door.)
Yeah, I’ll call you.  Sure.

 

(He exits.  She sits back down at the bar and drinks her entire Mai Tai in one gulp, as if trying to wash down the unsettling feeling that she might have just made the biggest mistake of her entire misspent and uninspired life.)



Alright, this conversation didn't really happen, but it could!

Moral of the story -

If you're a poet:

Don't wait for the world to recognize you before you pat yourself on the back.  Do it right now!  There are too many generals, not enough poets.  Virtue really is its own reward.  After all, what truly makes a life extraordinary?  How we feel about ourselves, or how others feel about us?  Internal (spiritual) wealth or external (material) wealth?  Recognition from peers is great, but it will probably never come if we don't recognize ourselves as valuable first.

If you're the parents of a poet on this site:

Give your son/daughter a pat on the back for maintaining a poetic soul in this world, which is rapidly turning into a dungheap of despair.  Rave about their poems the same way you would rave about the latest movie you saw.  After all, whose creations are more important?  Actors and directors you'll never meet?  Or those of your own flesh and blood?


Just a few thoughts.  If it sounds like I'm preaching, it's because I am.

Author notes

Here's an old poem I wrote that might help explain what I'm trying to say in this piece a little more - allpoetry.com/Poem/362253


Written January 25th, 2006

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  • Mark Rickerby gold member
    February 20, 2006
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    Yes, they do. It happens to me constantly. There are women all over L.A. with "Mark Rickerby" written on their boobs. In fact, I hear they wrap them in cellophane before showering so they don't wash it off. Pretty sad. haha J/K

    Thanks, Sara. I'm glad you liked this one. It was fun to write. It's a subject that's always bothered me. Artists nowadays don't get any respect unless they're making major coinage. It should be worth something just to BE an artist.

    Love you 2,

    Uncle Mark

  • Grieving-Willow
    February 20, 2006
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    P.S Now do LA Chics REALLY ask for their boobs to be signed? Love you
    Edited on Feb 20, 3:19 because 'typo'.

  • Grieving-Willow
    February 20, 2006
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    I ran out of appaulses but I had to appauld you even if it meant that it took a few points from me! (Wait... did that make any sense? Hopefully you know what I mean, LOL) Anyways, you're proud of my poetry? Look at this masterpiece? You give POETRY and POETS a whole new and beautiful meaning ... You are so right and I am so lucky to have such an AMAZING Uncle like you that recognizes and expresses such depth of appreciation to writers and poets, being one yourself.

    This has got to be my MOST FAVORITE Poem, expressive statement that you have ever written.

    Well done, I'm VERY proud of you

    Bookmarking this!

    Love you

    Sara

  • Mark Rickerby gold member
    February 19, 2006
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    williamstown,

    I see your point about this being "too real to be classed as funny". I have moved it into the "society" category since it really is an indictment of the shallow thinking the woman at the bar exhibits.

    Re. "posterity", I consider this site a workshop more than an exhibition. I like to think that some of my poems will be read and enjoyed a thousand years from now, but others, like this one, are written just for fun or to get something out of my system. I wouldn't include this in a book of poems I was trying to publish. That is, I don't think everything I write needs to be a potential masterpiece. It's fun and healthy to just be silly now and then, don't you think? (Especially for someone like me, who tends to take life a little too seriously sometimes.)

    Thanks for reading.

    Mark

  • williamstown
    February 18, 2006
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    This is too real to be classed as "funny"

    An unusual write, thought provoking and unfortunately only too possible an imaginary dialogue. Reading some of the comments makes me think, how much of the "poetry" written on this site will be read in one hundred years time? Some of the old masters of the craft are still being read and enjoyed long over this amount of time. Which brings me to suggest that after penning a poem, think, will this still be enjoyed by posterity?

  • Mark Rickerby gold member
    February 8, 2006
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    Thanks, Suzy.

    On one hand, what we do for a living is very important. Life is short and we should choose wisely. On the other, people should be honored, and honor themselves, for attempting to be an artist, even if it's just something they do for fun in their spare time. Too many people only hold artists in high esteem if they've made millions.

    One of the things that started me thinking about this was the book Zorba the Greek. Zorba was an old man who had nothing but celebrated himself and his life as if he was a king. He said, "When I die, the whole Zorbatic world dies with me." It dawned on me when reading that book that if we consider our lives that valuable when we have nothing, how much more amazing will it be when we do achieve our dreams? For most people, their feeling of importance grows as their income or fame does. What if we think that highly of ourselves to begin with? The fame and fortune would just be more icing on the icing. lol

    Thanks again for your thoughts on this. I'm glad it gave you a laugh.

    Mark

  • SuZyCuE
    February 8, 2006
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    This is great and it has a good message, not only encourage ourselves, but also our children. I love the humor approach it really kept me hanging on till the end
    Great write Mark
    Suzanne

  • Nephlim
    February 3, 2006
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    That's funny, I was really thinking that the story was true, I mean, there are people in the world like that, a sad thing. Anyways, this was good, and I think this is good for everyone to read, always apraise yourself, get up your self asteem.

  • SusanL
    February 2, 2006
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    You crack me up...
    someday you too will be Muy Famoso!!!!
    then some girl will want her to sign an over exposed body part and you will just smile and say - I'm sorry, but I reserve that right for charter members only!

  • Mark Rickerby gold member
    February 2, 2006
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    Sorry, but I'm not interested in talking about Edna personally. It's not worth my time.

    Regarding the use of profanity, I couldn't care less what anybody writes. It's personal attacks and insults I have a problem with. I'm not a moderator, but I do know that there are rules of conduct on this site that the owner and moderators must enforce. One of them is not harassing other members.

    Thanks for your comments on this. I appreciate it.

    Mark

  • buffytheparrotslaye
    February 2, 2006
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    Sad but true

    Amazing how people change their tone and attitude at the first smell of money and success.The story sounds real because it is something that goes on every day in different situations.This is the first time I have opened your page and must say you sound interesting.
    Now I want to ask you a personal question.On reading your write you use explicit language and erotic imagery.I am sure you would agree that Poetry in all its genres has something to say or share.So why have you come down so heavily on Edna.Do moderators have the right or the credentials,authority and power to prevent a writer from expressing himself.

    Looking forward to your feedback.
    Elizabeth
  • sad-but-true
    January 27, 2006
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    Excellent

    My Dearest Mark, How truely gifted you are at explaining the obvious. Most of the poets here think that thier poetry "deserves" to be read and others think that thier poetry surpasses them all and wildly go out to disappoint those who try very hard at it. I beleive that poetry first starts in the soul then travels through your heart, eventually making it to the peice of paper that lies in front of you. To truely appreciate someone elses poetry you must first learn to appreciate ALL of your own. For the poetry that is written by you is also a part of you. (in most cases) Weeding out the ones who think that they are the best and so egotistical about thier own that they can not find the beauty in someone elses. Like I said before I love writing poetry and the only reason I write is for me and me alone whether someone likes it or not I do not really care, I love it and that is all that counts for me. Maybe I am a little self absorbed but when it comes to writing poetry of any kind you have to be. Like you said "Virtue is your own reward". You can take everything away from someone but if poetry is in your heart, they can never take that from you, its like music it sings to your soul. Very wonderful write here darling. Love from your fellow poet, ~val~
  • smallmonk
    January 27, 2006
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    Will you sign my boob?

    Where does this stuff come from, Mark?? LOL!! I love the sentiment contained within, though. It is important to take a moment to congratulate our accomplishments and not spend our life pondering our own inequities. That, and we should all definitely sign a fat sit-com contract and run around Hollywood buying drinks for self-centered, sycophantic losers. Yep...now that's livin'

  • Mark Rickerby gold member
    January 27, 2006
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    Hi Kevin,

    I've warned fellow poets over and over about the dangers of pointless venting, too. I never heard of "draining", though. Yuck! lol

    I've always advised anyone who writes venting, personal poems to at least include a revelation in it somewhere so they and the reader can learn something. If it's just moaning from start to finish, it's not only bad writing, it's unhealthy.

    Just to play the devil's advocate, personal poems can actually touch on the universal if they're emotions that everyone shares. If there's a revelation in there made during whatever crisis is being described, the reader might benefit from it, thinking, "Wow, I never thought of that before." For instance, there's a poem called "Who Are My People?" by a poet named Magnoni. (I can't recall her first name.) I don't have a copy of it here but it went something like this.

    Who are my people?
    I needed to know.
    I went to the land where I was born.
    They bore my complexion and spoke my language
    But I felt no special connection with them.

    Who are my people?
    I went to the church
    To be among people of my faith.
    I felt no kinship with them
    As I kneeled with them there.

    I was waiting at a bus stop in the rain,
    A man who did not speak my language
    Offered me the the shelter of his patched umbrella
    And then I knew . . .



    I'm sure I totally screwed up that poem but that's the basic message. It could be considered a personal "vent" or crisis poem, but it has a powerful message. That's the good kind of vent. The bad kind is:

    Life sucks.
    Nobody loves me.
    Human beings are bastards.
    I think I'll go eat some poop.


    I totally agree that this kind of poetry doesn't accomplish a damn thing, for the writer or the reader, mainly because of the law of mental magnetism - that which we most persistently think about EXPANDS. Or as Aldous Huxley put it, "Wallowing in the muck is not the best way to get clean." You make an interesting point that the confessional poets not only didn't benefit from it, but ended up killing themselves. I have friends on this site who can't seem to let go of pain, or at least distract themselves with positive activities. I keep telling them that they're just digging themselves in deeper, but it usually has no effect. Except for intelligent venting with universal messages and/or discoveries that a reader can benefit from, I think your advice is terrific - "Write for the reader, not yourself." Approaching writing with that attitude will surely lead to much better writing and a healthier outlook on life. Thanks for the food for thought.

    Mark


    Edited on Jan 27, 2:26 p.m. because ''.
  • Desert Knave
    January 27, 2006
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    If it is preachy it is preachy that probably needed to be said. It is entirely too easy to fall into the trap of judging ourselves based on praise, publishing, and pretty prizes. Poetry is about the art. ~Jim

  • KevinDunn
    January 27, 2006
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    Mark, thank you for your interesting and thoughtful reply. I think there is a serious misconception abroad on this site, for which I largely blame silly school-teachers who encourage "creativity" irrespective of what is being created: people frequently mistake the impulse to confess things about themselves - which can be very strong - with the poetic impulse. Many here describe poetry as a means of personal release. I have seen terms like "vent" and even "drain" used, and God knows I wrote enough of this stuff myself when I was a lovesick teenager. There is also some sort of confused idea of psychoanalysis mixed up in it somewhere, I think.

    But the "confessional" poets - Robert Lowell, Sylvia Plath, Anne Sexton etc - tend to end up committing suicide. Writing poetry about their own states of mind made them worse, not better. Further, I now think poetry is written not for the writer but for the reader. I don't think poetry helps the writer - that is a pseudo-romantic, pseudo-Freudian myth.

    I know I became happier, and my poetry, I at least think, became better, when I began writing for the reader, not for myself. I now see my poety as at least trying to say things (I hope mainly positive things) about the world rather than saying things about my own state of mind, which is really of no interest to anyone else anyway.

  • dragonstuff83
    January 27, 2006
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    Come on. Tell me the truth. The only reason you wrote this is so you could type the words "Would you like to sit on my face?" Lmao!!!!
  • Ironfeather
    January 26, 2006
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    Extraordinary!

    Preach on, Brother!
  • Ir.muse
    January 26, 2006
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    Dear Mark,you're really wonderful.That was a great conversation.Are all the girls so funny like that? kiding.
    I hope one day everyone can distinguish the poets more than now.

  • Mark Rickerby gold member
    January 26, 2006
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    Hi Marissa,

    You came to my mind when I wrote this because I know you're a serious poet and you submit a lot. I do too, and it's easy to get discouraged if you're depending on the opinion of others. It's quite a balancing act - to be a sensitive writer and have thick skin at the same time.

    Here's an old poem of mine that says the same thing in another way - allpoetry.com/Poem/362253

    Consider your back patted.

    Mark

  • Mark Rickerby gold member
    January 26, 2006
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    Hey Kevin,

    I know what you mean. There are a lot of people on this site who just spit poems out with no attention to detail or quality. I don't even bother commenting on them. There are others who are here just to take their personal frustrations out on the world. But there's something beautiful to me about a poem that is unsophisticated but sincere, written by a child or teenager who is just trying to navigate their life. Yeah, it may be terrible writing, but the only poetry I would call "trash" are the ones written flippantly and carelessly, or those written merely for shock value.

    For the best of the best, we still need to visit the bookstore. But even there, I find a lot of poetry that I can't stand. Tastes vary, of course, as they should. Likewise, being carried along in that "tsunami of trash" are a lot of young kids using poetry as life rafts to keep from drowning and find their way to a peaceful shore. In the end, as I'm sure you would agree, this site is a place to grow, not a professional showcase. The only people I shoot down are the people who shoot down others and think they're poop doesn't stink (but the stench of their poems gives them away. lol)

    I hope all is well with you. Take care.

    Mark

  • Mark Rickerby gold member
    January 26, 2006
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    Hi Jan,

    So I've gone from "spunky hunk" to just "chunky"? Greeaaat. lol

    What an excellent story! Congrats on the CD. It sounds like you really won over the audience in the studio. i.e., made believers out of them. Nice work.

    Mark

  • Mark Rickerby gold member
    January 26, 2006
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    Hi Marjorie,

    That's exactly what I was talking about. But I'd be willing to bet any amount of money that their appreciation of your poetry will grow and grow as they get older and more appreciative. I've been working on my father's autobiography for a long time and regret not doing it when I was much younger. It would have helped me understand him so much more. But children don't know what matters, and they haven't matured enough, or perhaps lost enough, to appreciate what really does - and parents are at the top of the list. I'm glad you don't let their casual attitude toward your poetry bother you or slow you down. They will be gold to them later on.

    When I wrote this, I was thinking of a friend I have here who told me her parents don't support her writing at all. On one hand, parents always want their children to do something practical for a living and there's no denying that it's next to impossible to make a living as a poet, especially in America. There are no listings in the employment section saying, "Poet wanted, 60K annually plus pension". If I had children, I would encourage them to write poetry but discourage them from doing it as a profession. Novels maybe, but poetry? It's the most unappreciated art form in the world these days, after paper mache' and making sculptures out of driftwood. Actually, that's not right, because a lot of people BUY those driftwood sculptures. lol However, it seems to me there should be some reward for just writing poetry, which is something most people won't even attempt. It is an art, and a very difficult one at that.

    Personally, I write for myself first, to feel life more deeply, or state opinions "for the record" - my two cents on the human condition, to hopefully help a few people along the way, to lament or celebrate. What people make of it is their business and has very little to do with me. Even if I never received a word of praise, I would keep writing. I'm sure you know what I mean. It's not like we have a choice. I could give up eating more easily than writing. Writing chooses you more than you chose it, don't you think?

    Mark

  • Janice M Pickett gold member
    January 26, 2006
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    You know I had a similar experience yesterday. I went into the recoding studio to record my CD. When I arrived I got the distinct impression they were settling in for a boring Ho Hum afternoon. The attitude was very much.
    "Oh yeh poetry. This is going to be boring, lets get it over with"
    The I started with my introduction and they kinda looked up and I think actually saw me for the first time. As I read the poems, I was getting thumbs up through the glass, they actually started cracking smiles and at one stage, when they read a poem supplied by Legend from this site, they Cracked up laughing so much they had to stop and get control back.
    By the end od the afternoon their entire attitude changed.

    Thanks for sharing this message and giving me a chance to rrespond with mine.

    Great work Chunky spunky1!LOL


    Jan

  • SeptemberFaith
    January 26, 2006
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    This is really great, not only do I find your bar conversation quite funny, I found it more amusing when I found out that it was a figment of your imagination, which I had suspected, since I wasnt sure you were the bar type (unless you are?).

    Anyway, it was a good message that you were sending out and I completely agree!

    Great job!!!

    Criss

  • FollowtheLight
    January 26, 2006
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    I was trying to think of a comment worthy of this piece, so sometimes the greatest compliment comes in a simple word..."Bravo!!"

    PS...I have an idea to run by you..let's talk!!

    suzy

  • Sandygram silver member
    January 26, 2006
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    WONDERFUL

    This was truly wonderful Mark and right on the money. We should always encourage these young writers. I try to with my large AP family. Most are wonderful writers. I so enjoy reading my adopted sons and daughters poems. Thank you for sharing this amazing write. Take care, Sandy
    Edited on Jan 26, 8:58 because ''.

  • Marissa Ann Scott
    January 26, 2006
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    Thank u for that! I was forgetting to pat myself on the back. Everyday I check my business email and the days I don't find an acceptance of my work (which is most days! lol! ... like all aspiring artists) I get annoyed and question my worth.

    For every mistake I make, as a person, I find myself saying, "what's wrong with you?" Sorrow has become so much sharper than joy for me now. And then someone comes along and says, "I know u. u'll make the right decision".

    For me, this write is that pat on the back. That confidently whispered, "You'll make the right decision". Maybe that's why I'm hooked on your work. It's not only good. It's also uplifting.

    Stellar write, for people right here on earth.


    Marissa.

  • cherche -d -ame gold member
    January 26, 2006
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    Mark, of course visualising this scene made me smile . However the message at the end is not lost on me and I agree 100%,
    xoxoxo
    reenie
  • ElevateEmotion
    January 26, 2006
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    This is truly great, and i laughed at quite a few parts of it. You have a way of keeping a reader interested and fulfilled towards the end of your writes. Keep it up, i check back regularly. Take care

  • KevinDunn
    January 25, 2006
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    But what about the situation - which I find increasingly common - where the ONLY honest criticism you can make of a "poem" is: "You have no aptitude or talent for poetry and it is obvious you never will have. You have no feeling for language, sound or rythm, no sense of wonder, no idea of what poetry should be about. Do something else, anything else, and stop (a) making a fool of yourself, and ( damaging the whole system and image of poetry by pouring more and more bilge into it"?

    Already I find it nearly impossibly to discover the relatively few good poems on this site (see my list of favourites, all of whom I think have some talent)because the good writing is being hidden and drowned under a tusanmi of trash - not poetry that ould benefit from constructive criticism, just trash.

  • queenie
    January 25, 2006
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    it's funny that i should read this as my first one tonight because these thoughts have been invading my head a lot.i know when i talk to one of my kids and i say i wrote a new poem today,it's like yeah,ok,so what.i have even written pieces for them and i get a mild this is nice response and nothing more.the only one that shows real interest in my writing is my nine and a half year old granddaughter.this expresses my sentiments so well.i'm sure if there was big money coming from it then i would be recognized as a great artist.i'm just glad that i like it so much that their blase attitude towards my doing it don't faze me any.this is a sermon i hope many take heed to.
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