Go to church and pray the lord,
Always do what you've been told.
Bible is a truth of life!
Never question! It doesn’t lie!
Do not believe what scientists say,
Those heretics in time will pay!
They telling lies to our kids
And they shall burn for their deeds!
Creation science must be taught in schools,
The evolution is for ignorant fools!
The bible is true, in god we trust
And spread its holy word we must!
The earth is flat, a kid knows that!
No need to prove what bible said.
The sun rotates around earth,
The science evolved from Devil’s cause.
The “mentally ill” are just possessed,
They can be cured if they are blessed.
Psychology is devils tool,
He wants your soul, don’t be a fool!
The church is in truth your only friend,
Your link to god upon this land.
To be a member you must donate,
Your car, your money, real-estate!
Remember that you owe your life to god,
You must give all to last drop of blood.
You’ll get reimbursed if you pray to lord
But you must first die to claim your reward.
Author notes
If you see Glacian burn him, for he is a biggest heretic who also inspires others to rise against christianity!
Written June 30th, 2005
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I understand your point of view. Coming from me is actually amazing because I don't really like GOD. But I won't get into what I think. I respect what you think but I do think you shouldn't say that some things are by the devil and other are by GOD because well, its just what happens. For example when someone is murdered, is it the devils fault? Maybe strong believers might say that but I would also if I was one say it was GOD's fault for not "protecting" the person who was killed. Also, sometimes the person is a beliver in GOD and a nonbeliever in GOD but that doesn't make a difference. It was still a good poem and don't get me wrong on what I am saying.
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Wow, and I just got 5 points for that too. I feel so special
So...applause for you since I don't deserve the points, considering I didn't actually comment on the poem.
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It's interesting to see the different and varied comments this has inspired. I generally stay away from the Christian-bashing poems, being Christian myself, but now and then I like to venture in and see what ruckus they've caused, just to get a picture of the minds of all the different people around here. I have to give you kudos, this one is relatively entertaining, and I've enjoyed reading all the different types of reply.
I guess this interested me mostly because it poses a common view that a lot of us Christians are getting used to, a main one being that we don't question. And I'm sure you've been told that this isn't true so many times that you'll want to puke if you hear it again, or I hope you have. Because (not to make you puke or anything), but to many, less fundamentalist Christians, questioning is essential to being a believer. For awhile I've attended what's really the best Bible study I've been to, not really a Bible study at all, because the entire point of it is to question God and the Bible. And we do that about every Sunday, because questioning is the only way to grow, no? And one funny thing we came across was what you mention, that the Bible has a lot of minor, and some major, things that don't make sense, or just can't be applied in a real world. And I've thought for awhile that there might be a reason in it that doesn't point to a big lie and/or a nonexistance of God. And what I was wondering is what would you think if a Christian came to you and told you that we don't all follow the Bible word by word, but live by morals that are presented here and there in the pages? And that many of us don't base our beliefs by book, as many Muslims and Jews and other religions do, but by the views either stated directly or metaphorically in book? Theory being that the Bible wasn't written by God, as a lot of fundamentalists and bible-thumpers tend to believe, but rather by people, and is therefore subject to minor errors in technicality, while perhaps 'Big Picture', that there is a God who loves us and forgives us and all that other stuff I'm sure you've heard about, perhaps that is still true.
Anyway, I doubt it's really that important, but I thought I might throw my idea in for discussion. As my disclaimer, I'm not pushing any beliefs on anyone, I don't think it's right to do that, because what you believe is infinitely personal to you. I'm just wondering what someone who didn't believe in any god or goddess or higher power but still (apparently) had extensive knowledge of the relgious book might think. And, if it's not too much trouble, it'd be nice to have a reply, whenever you have time. I wanted to see what someone who actually *thought* about it might say, rather than the majority of people who tend to just jump to agreeing or disagreeing, and coming up with a bunch of words to "prove" them right" lol. Thanks for the time,
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“Hmmm...I think the discussion this has inspired is more interesting than your poem. (No offense).”
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None taken, this is why I write those poems:
“So, as instead a curious reader and one who likes to see both sides of every coin, whether for good or for ill, I have a question. “
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This is not a common thing to have, I must say that this statement alone earned you respect.
“Since you appear to believe there are so many places the Bible contradicts itself, I won't ask you to name them all, but I would appreciate it very much if you could quote at least one for me (give me the reference, version used, etc.).”
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This is simple :-) Here is one I posted for someone before : There are 29 generations listed from David to Jesus in Matthew's genealogy, while Luke's (3:23-31) has 43. Except for David at one end and Jesus at the other, there are only three names in the two lists that are the same.
No matter what version of bible you use it is there, this implies that at least one book of the bible is downright false and for that exact reason it can not be absolute truth that it claimed to be. There hundreds of contradictions, that sometimes occur with in few verses from each other.
“ I must admit that like most Christians, I have never read the Bible cover to cover despite the fact that I have been a so-called Christian for my entire life.”
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That is common, and there is a god reason why you only select stories are preached in churches. Or else people would see how absurd and self contradictory it is.
“I say "so-called" because it has only been in the past few years that I have grown deeper in my relationship with Christ and have achieved the spiritual sort of level that I think warrants being called a true Christian.”
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How do you know your relationship is not an illusion you created to comfort yourself? I mean did you ever examine historical evidence (not from the bible) of Jesus ? (Or rather lack of evidence)
“Why? you may ask. Not necessarily so I can contradict you, which is not why I am seeking this at all. I am seeking this answer because so many atheists or agnostics or people who condemn Christians often site Biblical contradictions,”
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By all means feel free to contradict me. If you prove me wrong I will reconsider my views. But like I said the contradiction I listed will be found in your bible. If you like I can provide hundreds more.
“Thank you very much in any event. You have made me think...and for that I am eternally indebted to you. “
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Thank you as well, I respect you for being polite and for your honest desire to see the side of the coin that was hidden from you.
“I will not say "God bless you" as I usually do since you seem not the sort to appreciate it. However, I wish you all the best, now and in the future. Take care and write on. A fellow poet, Sim.”
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Farewell, and enjoy your vocation. Hope to hear back from you in three weeks!
Vashen
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Hmmm...I think the discussion this has inspired is more interesting than your poem. (No offense). And so far I see that the sort of Christians that give me seizures have showed up to comment (at least in the reviews I've read--I don't claim to have read them all.)
As a Christian, I'm sure I've probably nothing to say that you haven't heard before. So, as instead a curious reader and one who likes to see both sides of every coin, whether for good or for ill, I have a question. This is a most serious question: I am not being sarcastic and am in fact quite sincere, in case there is any doubt of the matter.
Since you appear to believe there are so many places the Bible contradicts itself, I won't ask you to name them all, but I would appreciate it very much if you could quote at least one for me (give me the reference, version used, etc.). I must admit that like most Christians, I have never read the Bible cover to cover despite the fact that I have been a so-called Christian for my entire life. I say "so-called" because it has only been in the past few years that I have grown deeper in my relationship with Christ and have acheived the spiritual sort of level that I think warrants being called a true Christian. I am however, currently working on it. So, in case my question has been lost in all this babbling...again: I would like to see from you at least one contradiction that you have found in the Bible along w/its reference and the version, etc., etc.
Why? you may ask. Not necessarily so I can contradict you, which is not why I am seeking this at all. I am seeking this answer because so many atheists or agnostics or people who condemn Christians often site Biblical contradictions, and yet never actually give me an example of them when I ask. They merely yell and rant at me in a rather lengthy and infuriated manner. If that is all you are going to do (though you don't strike me at all as the sort of person who would) please do not even bother as assure you I've pretty much heard it all.
It occurs to me now that I am going on vacation tomorrow and won't be back for three weeks, and so this has perhaps been a waste of time to do now since I won't be able to see your answer for quite awhile, but, just in case my question has not fallen on deaf or unwilling ears and those same ears are also patient, I would be most pleased to return from California and find my answer awaiting me.
Thank you very much in any event. You have made me think...and for that I am eternally indebted to you. I will not say "God bless you" as I usually do since you seem not the sort to appreciate it. However, I wish you all the best, now and in the future. Take care and write on. A fellow poet, Sim.
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“For one thing, there is an International Flat Earth Society, where fundamentalists believe that the Bible supports their view of the world being flat, however, this is based on a few badly misinterpreted passages.”
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Bible does say and later imply that the earth is a flat circle or even rectangle. The point is that people still believe in that despise of the evidence against it. This demonstrates ignorance of some christians it does not imply that every christian believes the earth is flat but shows the extreme on witch they abandon science and even common sense and base their reality on what bible said.
“And their membership consists of - approximately 200 people. That's it. Out of the millions of Christians in the world, you're stereotyping us all because of 200 people. “
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The numbers are obviously fabricated … But this is also irreverent.
“And I'm sorry, but I do not agree with the scientific viewpoint of Christianity. If you'd like, I would recommend a book titled "Case for a Creator" by Lee Strobel.”
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I will check out the book as I am interested in both sides of the argument at all times. But you it will only be fair if you check Atheism: The Case Against God (by George H. Smith )
www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/087975124X/qid=1120610009/sr=2-1/ref=pd_bbs_b_2_1/103-5099241-3009449
“About 50% of scientists these days believe in a form of God”
Once again you bring up random fabricated statistics. If you make a claim like that you need to provide sources…
“for the scientific proof for a Creator is becoming overwhelming.”
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This is the main reason why I chose to reply to your comment. This is downright false, what evidence are you talking about? There is none and never has never been any evidence implying or hinting existence of god. The more we understand universe the more it becomes clear that it is perfectly natural, there is no supernatural being guiding it. It’s not the other way around. Before rain, lighting, wind, rainbow, or any other natural event that could not be explained and were attributed to god. Now even the most bizarre and complex things such as infinite density of black holes, concepts of singularity, multidimensional space, wormholes or even multiple universes becoming more and more understandable… Welcome to 21 century physics, its called SupperString Theory or M-Theory, a first unifying theory of all forces of our universe with major implications. www.superstringtheory.com/ This is a revolution in science just like Theory of general relativity was. Tell me where does it imply existence of god?
“I myself am planning to become a scientist once finishing Year 12.”
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Good so why don’t you try to apply a scientific method to the concept of god. Do you realize that concept itself is fundamentally flawed?
“When Galileo and Copernicus presented their results to the church, they were persecuted because they were refuting church doctrine, not the Bible.”
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No they had said something revolutionary, if earth was not the center of universe but one of the planets within a solar system then other planets could have life which would render bible to be absolute bull*hit that it is. But every scientist had suffered from churches power over their work. And what kind of force is holding stem cell research right now? Christian concepts of right and wrong!
“And the church has changed a lot since then. We no longer persecute people for having different viewpoints.”
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False. Many places still hostile to different points of view. It may be illegal to burn for heresy, but religion prosecution that is guided by christianity is active. Simple example if you were under 18 years old and wanted to join a wiccan coven, you can not do so by law, at least not without your parent’s consent. But you can go to christian church any time at any age! Furthermore in Phildadelphia there is a wiccan coven that meats every Sabbath and every full/dark moon in a small place downtown. They are forced to have a police officer present at all times. This is both to assure that there no sacrifices performed, no underage teens present, and that someone does not attack them for being something other than christians.
(I know this is long but I am passionate about this subject)
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Good, I am looking forward to your replies.
“And as for the rewards ... knowing God's love is an amazing thing.”
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So is knowing unicorns, dragons, fairies, elementals, etc. But first thing first, can you prove the existence of god?
“And there are amazing people out there that you can get in touch with in fellowship through Christ.”
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Prove that Christ that is described in the bible had ever existed. Please?
“To know that you are never alone, that there is always someone to catch your tears, to hold you up when you fall ... “
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There also support groups for emotionally weak that do exactly that.
“I find that to be more rewarding than anything in the world, and far outweighs whatever sacrifices I must make, such as living by God's word, going to church every Sunday, and yes, even giving money to the church.”
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How so ? What is so rewarding in dedicating your life to a self contradictory word of bible?
“ But you only have to give what you want - nothing more, and if any church pressures you to do so, you should find another one.”
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That is true, but money is always a source of corruption. Church does not have to pay any property taxes. There are government programs that give money to churches . And yet they want more… Did you ever wonder who benefits from it? Follow the money…
“Anyway, I hope I'm not too offensive, but again, this is a subject about which I could go on for hours.”
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Nope you are not offensive at all. I’d love to chat with you more.
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“The title interested me but turned out to be another religion bashing poem”
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“Christian way” was an interesting title? Lol What did you expect to see ? Every claim the poem made is supported ( By Glacian and Poisonsilver, I purposely did not post anything myself so to keep my neutrality. It was funny to see many christians cheer tot hat, in fact most of the applauds came from CHRISTIANS).
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The title interested me but turned out to be another religion bashing poem with very forced rhymes (when it actually was a ryhme. Will hold my thoughts on the content to myself. Nothing better to get responses then religion based writes.
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I guess unlike others here, I am not ready to pick a fight. I actually found this to be a light read. Thats just me I take thing lightly, stress is bad. All I would want to say I am glad I read this....
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“Well, first of all, I apologize for calling you sir.”
I accept your apology and, quite frankly, I am relived that this little juxtaposition of sexes is over, I quite enjoy being female.
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”Second of all, you should know that there are various branches of atheists--some who believe that a God exists-however, they still think that they only answer for themselves. The other group of atheists believe that there is no God at all and that they are responsible to no one but themselves. (If you contradict me on this point, than you contradict the American Atheists.)”
I know this, fist the definition of Atheist is “non Theist.” There fore any who believe in a god are not subscribing to the given definition and are thereby agnostic. Aside from this point Atheists do not claim Atheism as a religion it is not guided by any person or persons and has no dogmatic rules, therefore what each Atheist believes personally is simply their own belief. But those out side of Atheism would be correct in assuming that what one Atheist believes represents believes which have sprung from the state of “non Theism.”
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”...For me to automatically assume that atheists all act the same way, is total ignorance! You yourself know better than I do that there are Christians with DIFFERENT ideas and viewpoints--just like there are atheists with different ideas and viewpoints. “
Really? I disagree, for you to assume that all atheists derive their beliefs from the same source, and assume then that all interpretations of that source have equal standing as they are based on the same source, would be common sense.
Common sense would also tell you that even though Atheists do not derive their beliefs from a common source all beliefs spouted by atheists are equally “atheistic.” This is what I assume of Christianity, all spouted by Christians are equally “Christian.” It is immaterial if two atheists disagree on a point, both are atheists therefore both of their Ideas are “atheistic.”
”Concerning "silly stuff that's in the Bible", I'd most humbly suggest that you actually look through it and see if what Vashen is saying about God is True. If he thinks that there is contradiction in the Bible, than you, as a seeker of Truth, should look and observe whether what he is saying is True.”
I most humbly suggest that you pick up a bible and read it, not every contradiction is explainable by the method you mention.
skepticsannotatedbible.com/contra/by_name.html
Here is one sample
Gen.4:12
"A fugitive and a vagabond shalt thou be in the earth."
that means he would have no dealings with other human beings
Gen.4:17
"And Cain knew his wife, and she conceived, ... and he builded a city."
These contradictory verse are in the same chapter only a few verses away from each other.
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”You know what I do? When I find "contradictary" verses, I always read the WHOLE CHAPTER that each verse is in--and then, apply that verse for that chapter that it's in. It works. Believe me, it does. “
OH! Now I get it! Actually, it does not work because the simple truth is that the contradiction is there and someone as perfect as a god would NOT contradict himself, your method only works if one understands that there were many men writing each chapter of the bible over many years.
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”That bit about making God out to look bad. You know, all the "ruthless killing" God does to different people...Have you ever stopped and wondered that maybe there IS a reason why this happens? Have you? Or do you automatically ASSUME that God is unreasonable? If you think God is unreasonable, why do you think so? “
AHAH! So that is how you justify God’s acts of murder? They were called for or the people were asking for it right? I have to let you in on a BIG secret, no mater what context it is in, killing heathens for land or new brides or killing someone who married a heathen to end a god sent plague… the murder is still not justified in the eyes of those who are made to believe that you god is all loving and all powerful.
skepticsannotatedbible.com/jos/cr_list.html
Here is just ONE chapter of the bible which is filled with senseless killing, can you justify even one count of the 21 listed?
”If you want proof as to whether or not God is unreasonable, than read those "contradictary" verses and apply them to the chapter that they are in. You'll get answers--if you Truly search for them.”
Is this the, “you must believe before you read” nonsense? Or something else entirely?
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To Rawker4757;
Yes, I have absolutely no clue what I am talking about. I have only read the bible from cover to cover once, and only used it as reference countless times. I still have no idea what I am talking about because I am using logic to read thru the bible instead of blindly believing it as most Christians say that I must.
Vashen has also read the bible, al-bight he has not read cover to cover he has still read more then you obviously have.
Everything that Christians believe (or so they say) is based on biblical writings, and as I said before whether two different sects bicker on translation of the texts is immaterial as both translations are based on the text. If you will see my allegory in my second reply to Jfritzyb, this concept may make more sense. Now as for "getting my facts straight" it is interesting that Christians who only know the bible verses that the pastor quotes them say that when faced with other ideas inspired by the same bible. You would think that they would realize the folly of believing a bible which inspired such credulous ideas.
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ok.....poison....u dont know wat ur tlking bout. and also vashen have u ever read the Bible....i think u NEED to before you start criticizing Christians. it also seems like you know nothing bout life in general. Get you facts straight before putting them down for others to see.
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Oh, by the by, please forgive my gender juxtaposition; I picked up the habit of assning my own gender to those with whom is speak from various Christians.
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“I aint gonna argue with you sir...However, you did the EXACT same thing Vashen did--you NEVER claimed that what you're telling me DOESN'T generalize Christians as a whole--so until either one of you do, I will have to assume that you are referring to the WHOLE bunch of Christians all together--and well sir, this is a...lie. (IF you don't mean as a whole, than both Vashen and you need to say so somewhere in your poetry or "notes to the reader" section.)”
The fact of the matter is; all of this silly stuff IS supported by the bible. Any person who whishes to call themselves Christians has to abide by the bible, therefore they have to be aware of ALL the bible has to teach them. Many Christians just go along with what they have been taught, therefore if you were raised as a fundamentalist you would have fundamentalist ideas and you would refuse to believe that these are false.
Quite naturally, if a religion proclaims to base its beliefs on a book, then every idea which has been inspired by that book is rightfully a representative idea of the group as a whole. The fact that some sects do not adhere to the idea is immaterial.
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”Secondly, just because a certain branch of Christians are radical and maybe incorrect in their views, DOESN'T mean that this is what ALL the Chrsitians do!”
Firstly, it would behoove you to learn to spell your religion, C-h-r-i-s-t-i-a-n, this skill may come in handy later, who knows, Saint Peter might admit people on basis of spelling ability!
Secondly, mademoiselle, I already covered this; If there a few cults based on the book “See Spot Run” you would assume that even though to separate cults differentiated on a point of worship, both would be equally valid as both are based on the same source material.
That is how I see all the little Christian cults out there, they all claim that their ideologies are based on the bible, they further all claim the bible as their infallible source of religious inspiration. Therefore all ideologies have an equal chance at being right, if one points out the absurd nature of any of the biblically inspired ideologies, one has a chance at proving the point that all such ideologies have the chance of being equally absurd.
M’lady quotes;
“I don't think we should trust in the human mind in order to discover Truth. If so, than it must be ok to kill people--I mean hey, if our minds tell us to kill someone, than since it knows the Truth, than I guess we should go ahead and do that.”
I could not agree more, we should not kill others because out human minds tell us to, we should kill others because GOD tells us to as he does so often in the Old Testament potion of the bible.
Further more I of course agree that human minds should not be trusted, especially those human minds which constructed the bible from earlier pagan fairy tales. I would put even more mistrust into those human minds who interpret the fairy tales for their own gain.
”FINALLY...Concerning the God issue, I answer this quite plainly on my site..(it's in the biography section at the top of my page.) “
I have read your page, and the link provided upon it, and found them not only utterly unconvincing but to be constructed of the nonsense which would only convert a believer.
“At one point in time, you KNEW that God existed but later on, you decided to DENY that fact of life. You decided to override your conscience and by doing so, are causing yourself to die a slow, spiritual death.”
First, you are basing this assumption on the bible correct? Where Paul says:
Romans 10:18 But I say, Have they not heard? Yes verily, their sound went into all the earth, and their words unto the ends of the world.
Paul similarly thought that all knew of God’s existence, but I could not remember the reference.
I suppose this could be correct from a biblical stand point, but the bible is less then credible.
As for what you actually said, I’m not at all convinced. Children KNOW that Santa Clause exists; it could be argued that by denying him the children are overriding their conscience and by doing so are causing themselves to die a slow death of childhood.
The fact is that I have not met one Atheist or other brand of non believer who felt their soul was in moral peril, in fact most feel that their lives (and spirits) are much better with out the slave like notions of “god.” Just as I have not met one who feels a growing sadness for their loss of belief in Santa. The realization of Santa’s inexistence comes at a time of intellectual maturity, as does the realization of the inexistence of god.
The site you provide the teacher remarks:
“Remember, there is a great difference between those who worship God with their lips only and those who do so with their hearts and lives. All too often, people pray to God in the name of the Master, but they do not really know him. They take God’s name into their mouths and onto their lips but not into their hearts and lives. The Master guides us to recognize what will glorify God and benefit others. If we live in the Master and the Master lives in us, then our prayers bear fruit.”
Among many other-les-then-inspiring things he says about god.
This shows the slave mentality loud and clear. The idea of not deserving anything received and the idea of those who do not serve the “master” correctly are classic of slave mentality. Just as the idea that good little boys and girls get presents at Christmas and bad boys and girls get coal is classic of the belief in Santa.
Your god is not the great king he is depicted as and your Jesus is just like every other savior god out there!
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To Jfritzyb:
Obviously you have never touched a bible. If you had you would know just how often it contradicts with science.
skepticsannotatedbible.com/science/long.html
That link might help you out a bit.
No where in the poem do I read that it is intended to describe ALL Christians. The poem was intended to point out the vast absurdities of the religion, starting on more subtle points and building to more "fundamentalist" ideas. Of course you have heard of the "flat earth society" There is a fundamentalist group who believes that psychology is witchcraft:
jesus-is-lord.com/5column.htm
jesus-is-lord.com/psycholo.htm
jesus-is-lord.com/breakdwn.htm
And the same site offers wonderful in-depth information on how the earth is the center of the solar system
jesus-is-lord.com/geocentr.htm
Now, don't you feel silly?
As to the last two lines I thought it would be obvious /HEAVEN/
Your god does not exist and there are people who are insane or gullible enough to believe in this, look at the comments there are some who agree with his "christian" perspective!
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It's wry.
I address your second stanza...It depends on whether the Scientist is telling the Truth or not. (And by the way, not ALL Christians think this way.)
I address your third stanza...Again, that is ONE of the RADICAL views that MOST Christians have--(PLEASE note that I didn't say ALL!) I am specifically addressing the first two lines of your second stanza.
I address your fourth stanza...Are you saying that the earth is flat??? Hope not! The Bible states otherwise...It says that the earth is ROUND--not flat! (Might want to read the Bible BEFORE spouting a bunch of...say-so.) The Bible NEVER claims that the sun rotates around the earth and it never said that ALL Science was evil.
Fifth stanza--last two lines...Some things in Psychology are true--some are false.
Sixth stanza--concerning the second line, we go to church to spend time with Jesus. We also must nurture our current relationship with Him by and with His help. Concerning the last two lines--SOME churches are like that. NOT ALL!!!
Last stanza...Concerning the first two lines, if you loved someone enough, you would die for them--otherwise, if you didn't, you would think it was foolish to die for them and also think it meaningless to die for them--and quite possibly, poke FUN at the idea of dying for someone else.
Last two lines...Who EVER SAID THAT?? If you love Christ enough to die for him, than your death isn't in vain. But be that as it may, we should LOVE Jesus and TRY, with Him helping us out, to have a RELATIONSHIP with Him. You see?? Don't you understand this at ALL???
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lol! I'm sorry for laughing, but I can't tell if this is serious, or very well-hidden satire. Either way, I got some giggles from it. If it was supposed to be serious, then I apologize and did not mean to offend you. But the poem generalizes so much that I just giggle! hehe especially since I do know some people who are like that.
Thanks for putting a smile on my face, whether it was intentionally or not!
Love and light,
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i dont know what i am! im confused!! i think the bible is quite boring as well! no offense...... i think all religeons are true as they all believe in some sort of god....... o yeh its a good poem i give you good credit for that!
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Nice flow :-)
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Well talk about sarcasm indeed...*sigh* i guess everyone is allowed their opinion- and at the end of the day- we have to remember that that's all it is- an opinion.
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Wonderful!! I love it!! This is a truly great poem, you pulled it off perfectly. The rhyme scheme is brilliant and the wording is great. I love sarcasm.
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A Heart-felt Masterpiece
Wow, what a powerful message! I think that every Christian has these things on there mind. However, to say "The science evolved from Devil’s cause," simply isn't true. In fact, true science verifies the bible through evidence quite frequently. Now, certain scientific studies, such as evolution, are, in at least my opinion, the devil's cause. Nevertheless, I commend you for an outreaching poem! -
wow, this is definitely a different poem that will have a lot of impact, you will have many supporters and I think you may make a few enemies, which I will understand as you are generalising **excuse my spelling please** but I must say that I did enjoy it and I absolutely loved the witty sacrasm that you have used.. well done.
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Heavens forbid! It spoke of Evolution AS IF it were a FACT?! How COULD they?! Next, they'll teach that the earth is round - and proclaim that they KNOW this!!! Oh, the horror. Those arrogant scientists, claiming they know all these things...how dare they!
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Yeah, just regurgating what my dad - a sunday school teacher - told me. That's it. No, I happen to be autonomous, unlike some people.
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To Nicolette:
I was not trying to give you any of my ideologies; quite frankly I don't think you could handle mine.
Your "strength based approach" leaves something to be desired. Could I offer an army tank to enforce it with?
I suppose from you statements that you would not do well if you had an addiction. You MIGHT reach the acceptance stage but then you would just say, Oh well, at least I’m witty, and keep on with the addiction. In reality, it is dangerous not to focus on the problems, not having a focus on the problems leads to the problems only getting bigger. Dealing with the problems gets them solved.
Any healing drug, if in high quantities can be poisonous; many poisons in low quantities can have healing effects
Your Poison
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This reminds me of when we watched a video in science and it brought up evolution and some girl in our class objected to it because it "spoke of evolution as if it were a fact but didn't teach creationism", and then my friend told her that was because this was science class and not church, lol, very nice write.
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You know what? Anything great needs to be able to stand up to criticism. It's not worth getting pissed over. heh. This poem is great--And to Glacian, wow on the notage. Bet he got a shitload of points on that one. Whew. I wonder if he didn't just post all that on there for his own personal gain? Anyway--You and I both know that christianity ain't goin' anywhere any time soon. People have been trying to put it down since it started. Personally, I don't know why they try anymore. Just get a different religion and leave it the hell alone.
With that said, I enjoyed this. Keep up the wonderful work--bashing religion or not. You're a great writer! And don't let Glacian get to ya--when they're that vehement, the usually don't know any better--makes me wonder if he's just regurgitating what momma and daddy told him as a little boy.
Have a good one!
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Poison...you don't need to teach me about real life...I work with life everyday of my life. And I have no desire or need to discuss anything with you. You little ideologies don't interest me at all too, sweet one...! Obviously you don't understand a strength-based approach - try it once - it works
. Poison usually kills...! Take care
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I shall now endeavor to seek out Glacian if he inspires such writes. lol. I live by the motto "Be blasphemous once a day. It keeps brain cells active", so I can definitely appreciate what you're doing here. There were a few instances of grammatical error, that I hope you don't mind I point out. S2, L3... the word "they" seems awkward in the context in which it is presented. S4, L2, the word bible, seems as if it should be capitalized, as you've written the line in such a way as to personify it. Otherwise, there should be a "the" in front, although that might very well disrupt the metric flow of the line. Final stanza, and the word "lord" also seems awkward, as if "the" is missing from that line as well. Over all, though, I enjoyed this immensely, and always wondered on the whole "die and be rewarded" scheme at play in Christianity. Call me selfish, but I want the goods now. lol.
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To Nicolette:
"Always focus on the strengths, not the problems"
I guess then that you would call those doctors and scientists frustrated at not yet having a "miracle" cure for cancer pessimists right? You would point out that medical science has already come so far. Right.
What if you went to a hotel where the housekeeping people were lazy and you didn't get a room for four hours after you had expected to get the room. Well, I guess you would say it is their problem and shouldn't be focused on.
Or maybe you have a child and they are having a heard time reading and spelling but they are great at conceptualizing science. Would you teach them more science? Or help them in reading and spelling?
Your little ideology doesn't work in real life, nor do the hateful counterproductive mass religions like Christianity.
Your Poison
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I accept all kinds of "religions" or faiths - even if someone does not believe at all - therefore I respect your views in this write (not exactly a poem). I do believe in God's love, but I am not religious. Not much I can say to a rant like this - only that it is sad when one can't see the beauty too - always focus on the strengths, not the problems. I wish you well!
~ Nicolette
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as a christian i appreciate the intent but i think many would look at it very judgemental and it would probably turn many standing on the fence away we have to be careful when we preach to tell the truth in love you make it all sound sort of cultish
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Not all Christians hate people that dont believe their way. Actually those that do hate are not christians at all. You say you are open-minded and that christians are not, and yet you hate christians and won't let them speak thei mind without being harrased
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bet that you have to deal with christians for this one
ha ha ha ha ha ha
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oh oh thats funny wait i am crying
oh ouch laughing this hard hurts i loved your write sadly its so TRUE i know that you have alot of claps for this so hell whats one more ..........LOVE YOUR poem
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I'm already aware of what Jesus said. It seems Jesus wants to conflict traditional Hebrew, God-inspired rules. But isn't Jesus God? Therein lies the contradiction to me. I don't believe the original God existed or that Jesus was contradicting anything in any way, but merely running counter to some traditional views - not something I entirely disapprove of, but when a Christian tells me that Jesus IS God, then God just contradicted himself, and the Christian just reduced their Bible to absurdity.
"New Testament is not advocating an eye for an eye as you would have it"
Don't misrepresent me. I said nothing about the New Testament advocating an "eye for an eye", but the BIBLE, which includes, whether you like it or not, the Old Testament as well.
"Jesus is not speaking against the administration of proper justice towards those who are evil."
Nah, instead, he's telling us we should just let them steamroll over us and take advantage of us, while we stand around like cowards and do nothing. I'd take an eye for an eye over Jesus' pussy teachings any day.
"As for Slavery and Polygamy, the bible was written in a time period when those practices were acceptable, though God considers them sin, the bible is merely relating that it occurred"
Poppycock. Where does the Bible indicate that slavery is a sin? If slavery is a sin, why does God ORDER Hagar to return to her abusive mistress when she flees? Not only is God advocating slavery here, he's also advocating jealousy and abuse, since he's forcing a woman fleeing from the two to submit to them, as is her place, as a servent. God also outlines the rules for the treatment of slaves, and Paul, in the New Testament, advises slaves to be obedient to their masters. Lets not forget that slavery existed in the U.S. until the mid 1800's, 2000 years after your Old Testament passages were written, and you know what was used to justify it? That's right: the Bible. The Bible does not "merely relate that it occurred", the Bible outlines the specific treatment, purchase, and other various details of obtaining and using slaves, and in the New Testament orders slaves to be obedient to their masters.
"The reason for Christianity's longevity is its ability to change with the times and to still have its basic morals intact."
Because we all know God, the perfect, unchanging being, also happens to "change with the times", eh? To me, the fact that Christianity - a proposed "absolute" morality is forced to change with the times is an indication that its ambiguous enough to be pulled and prodded in any direction a reader wants to take it.
"As for condoning incest, where in the world did you get that?"
After Lot escapes into the mountains following the destruction of Sodom and Gomorroh, his daughters intoxicate and have sex with him so that they can get pregnant and have kids by them. Other places in the Bible show incest as well, and God, by not striking them with his holy wrath, shows tacit approval by doing nothing.
"Though it did occur, God still judges it as sin, as evidenced by the ten commandments which tell us to not commit adultery."
Adultery and incest are completely different charges. The Bible actually does name numerous acts of incest as "abominations" and calls for the execution of all parties involved. I'm sure you would agree if we catch a man with his mother or sister, we ought to slay them all, perhaps by stoning them with stones?
"Also have you not heard the story of " he who is without sin, cast the first stone""
Irrelevent. This has nothing to do with God's tacit approval of slavery, polygamy, and incest.
"As for genocide, Murder is not permitted at all in the bible."
Oh really? So none of these passages would qualify as murder or genocide:
Deuteronomy 7:1-2: "... the seven nations greater and mightier than thou; And when the LORD thy God shall deliver them before thee; thou shalt smite them, and utterly destroy them; thou shalt make no covenant with them, nor shew mercy unto them."
Joshua 6:21: "And they utterly destroyed all that was in the city, both man and woman, young and old, and ox, and sheep, and ass, with the edge of the sword.
Joshua 10:40-41: "So Joshua smote all the country of the hills, and of the south, and of the vale, and of the springs, and all their kings: he left none remaining, but utterly destroyed all that breathed, as the LORD God of Israel commanded. And Joshua smote them from Kadesh-barnea even unto Gaza, and all the country of Goshen, even unto Gibeon."
(From www.religioustolerance.org/imm_bibl1.htm )
Joshua 8:24 - City of Ai
Joshua 10:26 - Joshua murdered five defenseless kings of the Amorites in cold blood.
Joshua 10:28 - City of Makkedah
Joshua 10:29 - City of Libnah
Joshua 10:31 - City of Lachish
Joshua 10:33 - City of Gezer "...Joshua smote him and his people until he had left him none remaining."
Joshua 10:34 - City of Elgon "They left none remaining."
Joshua 10:37 - City of Hebron
Joshua 10:38 - City of Debir
Numbers 21:2-3 - City of Hormah
Numbers 21:33-35: Land of Bashan "...they smote him, and his sons, and all his people, until there was none left him alive: and they possessed his land."
Deuteronomy 2:21-24: The Ammonite, Horim, and Avim people.
Deuteronomy 2:26-35 - Land of Heshbon "...we took all his cities at that time, and utterly destroyed the men, and the women, and the little ones, of every city, we left none to remain."
Judges 4:16 - City of Sisera
Here God summons bears to slaughter children:
2 Kings 2:23-24: "And he [Elisha] went up from thence unto Bethel: and as he was going up by the way, there came forth little children out of the city, and mocked him, and said unto him, Go up, thou bald head; go up, thou bald head. And he turned back, and looked on them, and cursed them in the name of the LORD. And there came forth two she bears out of the wood, and tare forty and two children of them."
And my personal favorite, where Moses spares the young girls so the male soldiers can "keep them for themselves":
Numbers 31:1-18: "...And they warred against the Midianites, as the Lord commanded moses, and they slew all the [adult] males. And the children of Israel took all the women of Midian captives, and their little ones...And they brought the captives, and the prey, and the spoil, unto Moses...And Moses was angry with the officers of the host And Moses said unto them, Have ye saved all the women alive? Behold, these caused the children of Israel, through the counsel of Ba'laam, to commit trespass against the Lord in the matter of Peor, and there was a plague among the congregation of the Lord. Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him. But all the female children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves."
Would you care to speculate as to what those men did with the virgins they kept?
Murder, as far as the Old Testament is concerned, is only among the "in-group", God frankly doesn't give a damn what you do to a Midianite or a Canaanite - butcher them, rape them, rob them. If they aren't an Israelite, may they suffer a horrible death at the end of your sword.
There's more here if you want them:
www.evilbible.com/
"No one today believes the world is flat"
False.
"in the verse you reference, then it has to do with mans limited understanding at the time"
Of course it does, and I agree. This is exactly why so many of us say the Bible is NOT the word of god, but the word of men. Ignorant men, at that. -
Reading through some comments here, I honestly think you need a disclaimer on this one: that it's not in fact your personal belief. Either people take things too seriously, or they're really as stupid as I think. That makes me sad.
I was perhaps a little vague in my previous criticism. It does indeed go overboard (though, that's mostly isolated to the flat earth business), and I think that harms your point. I like the way you've created this angry, sarcastic voice, but satire is a subtle thing, and it's much more effective when used as a whisper, not a below. Perhaps my old atheist soul is a but jaded on the subject of the criticism of theism...I've heard all this before. Yes, you do an excellent job poetically, but there's nothing new to offer us. I see the potential to bring that, but it's steeped in overpowering bile. Sometimes you need to add just a little realism...some satires are all the more effective when they're sympathetic (to a certain degree...not that I'm suggesting that though. This isn't that kind of poem...it's an idea to start with). But I'm taking your time. You know what you wanted to say, and you said it...and you seem to have stayed above the fray in the dumb debate that's developed here (I feel religious debates are best left out of critiques...who wants a bunch of people telling you how they perceive you're wrong about Christianity?). What this long thing I'm wrtiting here boils down to is this: you have a point, but you're bogged down by older ideas and an urge to take down your object of satire. Attempt being more thoughtful...not in terms of sympathy, but as a comedian.
Cheers,
Yossarian
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Vashen
i read your poem
i read the comments
nothing promotes debate like religion eh
i have studied a multitude of religious orders
and i studied the science of evolution
i wont comment on any of that but i do believe
that a person must believe in something and im glad to
see and read that so many on this site do
and with such ferver
congratulations on such a great piece of work
keep it up
southpaw -
First I want to say that I understand the message you want to convey BUT, when a piece is written badly, the message gets lost. I too have written about the hypocrisy of 'SOME' Christians not ALL.
I would suggest you ALWAYS critique your own writes. You will see that you may have left out articles, pronouns and the like. The very first line you left out "to" the Lord. The second strophe is just plain badly written I would rewrite this. "They telling lies" should read They "are" telling lies.
I could go on but I'm already getting a headache!
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its sad how narrow minded people can be, and the simplest thing for their shallow hearts to do is generalize. Im not catholic, I dont screw around I rarely go to church yet i call myself a christian. explain to me, please, where your right to clothe all people within the christian faith with the same thing you use to wipe your arse. Get a grip
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You've done a great job showing the duplicity of christianity. It's okay for them to believe what they believe, but to hate others for not believing the same seems to go against the foundation of Christianity.
That being said, there are a few areas of your poem that need help. I've noticed in a couple of lines, there are either omitted words or grammatical mistakes, such as the first line, I think you want to say, "Pray to the Lord". And, in line 7, I think you want to say, "They're telling lies to our kids."
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Great.
Hey there! This was a great write. It kills me the way Christians are always preaching to everyone about the bible..shoving it down everyone's throat..but you know..lol. You have a very good point within that poem. I loved the way it was worded and written. Keep up the good work. <3 -
Bravo! Forget all the christian ranters that hate others that don't see everythig their way! thank you fo rposting this. It is a hillarious read!
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Even though I do not agree with your sarcasm, I do believe you did a good job getting through with your thoughts and stuff, and the structure and word choice was nice. -Raye
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Oy Vey.
Uhm. Yeah. That's all I have to say.
(Not really. I <3 the poem. Lovely bit of work! xD )
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This was funny as hell - every word with a truth to tell
Watch out for the tv cause next thing you know hes got your wife on her knees...aint it a crime to watch the rich steal from the poor and blind man id hate to be them at the end of time awsome poem dude you realy gave the influence of truth to be be told... -
My first comment would be to say, I don't think you have read very deeply into the bible. Im not looking for an argument I only want to show my side of the story, so lets be nice shall we . Okay so, as for "an eye for an eye." Matthew 5:38 states, "You have heard that it was said 'Eye for eye, and tooth for tooth' But I tell you, Do not resist an evil person. If someone strikes you on the right cheek, turn to him the other also. And if someone wants to sue you and take your tunic, let him have your cloak as well." etc... The New Testament is not advocating an eye for an eye as you would have it and Jesus is not speaking against the administration of proper justice towards those who are evil. When we are wronged, we are not to react in a spirit of hatred but in a way that shows we have values. As for Slavery and Polygamy, the bible was written in a time period when those practices were acceptable, though God considers them sin, the bible is merely relating that it occurred. The reason for Christianity's longevity is its ability to change with the times and to still have its basic morals intact. You give me a religion that does not do the same. Hinduism? Taoism? Islam? Judeaism? As for condoning incest, where in the world did you get that? Though it did occur, God still judges it as sin, as evidenced by the ten commandments which tell us to not commit adultery. There is almost an entire chapter starting in Leviticus 18:6 about all of the people you should not have sexual relations with and it covers the entire family! Also have you not heard the story of " he who is without sin, cast the first stone" when Jesus protected a young woman caught in a sexual act from an angry mob John 8:1-11. As for genocide, Murder is not permitted at all in the bible. Thou shalt not kill? In the Old Testament, because Jesus had not yet been born, killed and resurrected, people were still subject to the letter of the law, which says in Romans 6:23 "The wages of sin is death..." When Old Testament people disobeyed God, they were subject to the penalty of sin, which was death. Today, because Romans 6:23 also says "...but the gift of God eternal life through Christ Jesus our Lord." If the world is construed as flat, in the verse you reference, then it has to do with mans limited understanding at the time. No one today believes the world is flat and no one is going to get struck down by lightening sent from God if they say otherwise. If that were true I would be dead! I don't know who the God is you are talking about, but he is not my God. I feel that you must think that all Christians are closed-minded, back-woods hicks that blindly follow anything the church says, and yes there are those in every religion, but do not put us all into that stereotype.
~Liv~
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Boring and uninspired
Yeah yeah yeah, we get it. Christianity/the bible is so evil and wrong. This is nothing new. Every other emo kid and his Auntie Jack write the exact same thing. Get over it. -
I would have been a Catholic but I decided against it on the basis that I do not want to have sex with little boys. And lets see how many people get offended by that one.
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Christianity and Catholicism....Catholicism is Christian.
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"Jesus said we should love one another"
So why, in Luke 14:26, does Jesus say, "If any [man] come to me, and hate not his father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple"? -
I am a Christian, but would never judge here as you have. Judge not lest Ye be judged. Jesus said we should love one another. I left the church after a few yrs because of the exact things that cognition stated. The Secret Book of St. Thomas which the church choses to see as heresy says that The kingdom of the Lord is inside you and all around you, not in mansions of wood and stone. Split a piece of wood and I am there. Lift up a stone and you will find me. I have friends that have some very different beliefs than me. My best friend is Wiccan. I love her no less, so if loving her sends me to hell than so be it. Just my 2 cents worth on this. Jacki
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Atheists, atheists. The "e" comes before the "i" tsk tsk tsk, and Christians give me such a puzzled look when I tell them I don't believe in Dog...
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"And doesn't the Bible say to turn the other cheek?"
And paradoxically, the very same Bible says "...an eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth" and advocates slavery, turns a blind eye on rape, commands the sacrifice of one's children, and approves of polygamy, incest, genocide, the brutal killing of one's children, the brutal killing of girls who have premartial sex, and a number of what by today's standards would be considered barbaric, savage practices. My experience in church with Christians has been that they tend to evade these passages as much as possible, and when forced to deal with them, offer pathetic rationalizations and move on away from them as quickly as possible. Nevermind the contradictions that ensue, even if the Bible were consistent...it still wouldn't be a convincing source of divine inspiration to me. Hell, I don't even think it's all that inspired as far as human works go! Kahlil Gibran's "The Prophet" is INCREDIBLY inspiring, and his work isn't part of the church's official canon. The Prophet has done a lot more for me than the Bible ever has.
"... but you're going about it the wrong way."
What's wrong about it?
"I also know all about Glacian"
ALL about me?! Damn, so you know about that time I was drunk and I ran into that "lady" I thought was a girl and...er..
Haha, it's weird when people know about me and I don't know about them. I'm honored that you would mention the possibility of IM'ing me, in fact, I think you should! -
“Even the most hard core fundamentalist Christians don't believe the world is flat, or believe in Ptolemic astronomy.”
Really? Well then, I suppose these people don’t exist:
www.alaska.net/~clund/e_djub lonskopf/Flate arthsociety.ht m
www.catholicintl.com/epologe tics/articles/ science/geocha llenge.htm
I don't really think Vashen is intending to include every Christian under the blanket of absurd pseudoscientific fringe groups though. -
"God is capitalized whether you like it or not"
Really? So the Greek gods, Aztec gods, Hindu gods, Native American gods, deistic gods, polytheistic gods, monotheistic gods - they're all capitalized? Just because some folks tend to associate the word we use in the English language for A god with their god itself - by naming their god God, doesn't mean we are obligated by any transcendent force to capitalize god ourselves. In fact, under many justifiable circumstances, references to the Christian god, such as in this sentence, are made without capitalization, since I'm referring to this god not by name but as a god. Not a proper noun, not deserving of capitalization. -
“Also we do want creationism to be taught in schools but with evolution not instead of it.”
A position that’s just as absurd as excluding evolution. Why in God’s name would you want to teach religion in biology classes, and exclude massive and critical portions of biology from the field? There’s no scientific evidence for Creationism – believe it on faith if you believe it at all, but it’s absolutely absurd, blatantly unconstitutional, and in my opinion, arrogant and ridiculous to try to push the teaching of Creationism – especially if it’s ONLY Christian creationism and not a whole bunch of the many different creation stories – in classrooms. -
Im glad youre writing a poem about God, and I do beleive in him. But it seemed rather forcefull. God wants us to show others his way, not try to force them to beleive in him. I understand you are trying to praise the Lord and bring honor to his name. But I beleive this is the wrong way to go about it.
All in all its a good poem, but i dont agree with everything that was said.
with your authors statement.."If you see Glacian burn him, for he is a biggest heretic who also inspires others to rise against christianity!"
you are putting athiests down, especialy in your authors statement. God wants us to try to get them to beleive in God, not put them down because they dont.
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soooooooooooooooooooooooooo ur saying that youre severely closed minded about those who dont follow christian ways???
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To days of dreaming
You are a very misinformed Christian, in fact, I would venture to say that you have never touched a bible in your life.
Don’t worry my friend if you read the following scriptures and this web site -jesus-is-lord.com/ - Jesus MIGHT for give you for being ill-informed. But you must remember, god does NOT except ignorance as an excuse!
The bible tells all who believe it to be the word of god that the earth is FLAT.
Isaiah 40:22 it is he that sitteth upon the circle of the earth, and the inhabitants thereof are as grasshoppers; that stretcheth out the heavens as a curtain, and spreadeth them out as a tent to dwell in
Daniel 4:10 Thus were the visions of mine head in my bed; I saw, and behold a tree in the midst of the earth, and the height thereof was great.
4:11 The tree grew, and was strong, and the height thereof reached unto heaven, and the sight thereof to the end of all the earth:
(This could only happen on a flat earth)
Matt 4:8 Again, the devil taketh him up into an exceeding high mountain, and sheweth him all the kingdoms of the world, and the glory of them;
Ezekiel 17:2 Also, thou son of man, thus saith the Lord GOD unto the land of Israel; An end, the end is come upon the four corners of the land.
(The earth is not only flat, but it has four corners!)
Oh, the Pagan Greeks calculated the circumference of the earth by using shadows, the secular scientists improved on this number but they secretly know that it is wrong and all of their pictures of a spherical earth are just computer graphics.
As for the model of the solar system ever bible believing Christian knows that the sun revolves around the earth! For all the proof a TRUE Christian(tm) needs please visit -jesus-is-lord.com/geocentr.htm -
/turns sarcasm off/
Do you see how silly it is to believe in these fairy tales? The god of the bible is violent and possessive, he condones rape and murder. And his son is just like every other savior god out there! What leads you to believe yours is any better or more real then the rest of them!
There is more scientific proof that there is NO god then there is proof that there is.
Try researching your faith a little bit before defending it.
Your Poiosn
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I basically agree with you. However, I think your point would be better made if you tried to get a little deeper. The rhyme doesn't help. Good imagery and metaphor might. This is a list of things that annoy you, not any analysis of why they do, or why Christians hold so strongly to their beliefs, nor whether or not you might have similar beliefs you hold onto.
I have this feeling that we are predisposed, chemically, perhaps, to adopt a set of morals. There isn't one ultimate truth -- one universal Right and Wrong -- but, whatever definition of right and wrong we pick up along the way, seems so ultimate (even though even within individuals, it evolves).
I really get that sense when I talk to very religious people. I often can't even find common ground for logical discussions because our axioms, our basic sense of right and wrong, good and bad, better and worse, are so drastically different.
In a way, I can't fault them for wanting the world to adopt their sense of morals, because I'm certain that feels so right to them. I know I would like the world to adopt my morals. They seem so right to me. -
Rise anti-christs and athiests with me now..haha..bye.
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You know, I belive that people with religion (mostly christians) are among the most descriminated against. This poem only re-inforces christian steryotypes. Although the form of the poem is good, the message is not.
Perhaps I am reading this peice and taking it the wrong way. If I am, I apologize. It is a well-written peice, but the message about christians is wrong to me. -
God...such a funny thing isnt it? well i thought your poem was funny...it showed some of the ignorance of the christian faith... not my faith necessarily..but great job on this...a splendid write and i got good laugh out of it great work on this!
best wishes,
y2shaggy
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BRAVO
A bit strong, but the truth you speak. Always remember as one of the commentor said we must not judge but turn the other cheek. Faith is our strength. Nice flow to your write. -
Now im sorry but as soon as i read this i laughed for a good 30 min. I mean cmone Science is the devils tool? LOL Ok so Satan is behind the vaccine for polio and chicken pox right? The Devil helps mentally handicapped people live in because we all know they are so evil right? Pyshcology isnt the devils work. It helps people get through Depression, anxiety, and suicidal thoughts you jerk. Gods love isnt enough for some people. SOme people actually have thoughts of there own and not of what they are tought. They are individuals and have individual feelings and thoughts so you can take your christianity and your so called way of life and stay hidden in your little perfect world while the walls of your faith crumble around you and leave you naked and alone. BEcause its your type of thought thats holding america back and causing so many problems. ANd go ahead and say something about me not loving god. I see the world for what it is not waht i want it to be.
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Well I wouldn't exactly condemn this as a generalization, the title itself could be appreciated as a satire along with the rest of the poem...
I would reccomend polishing this in the future or perhaps if and when you attempt another poem of this nature to make it more prolific. It deepens the impact. -
Well, I found this poem rather sad, you know, because if this has been what you have experienced with Christians, you are missing out on a heap.
For one thing, there is an International Flat Earth Society, where fundamentalists believe that the Bible supports their view of the world being flat, however, this is based on a few badly misinterpreted passages. And their membership consists of - approximately 200 people. That's it. Out of the millions of Christians in the world, you're stereotyping us all because of 200 people.
And I'm sorry, but I do not agree with the scientific viewpoint of Christianity. If you'd like, I would recommend a book titled "Case for a Creator" by Lee Strobel. About 50% of scientists these days believe in a form of God, for the scientific proof for a Creator is becoming overwhelming. I myself am planning to become a scientist once finishing Year 12.
And the Ptolemic view of the sun and earth? Nowhere is this Biblically based at all. Anywhere. This was church doctrine taken not from the Bible, but from the Ancient Greek philosophers! When Galileo and Copernicus presented their results to the church, they were persecuted because they were refuting church doctrine, not the Bible. And the church has changed a lot since then. We no longer persecute people for having different viewpoints. Our misguided ways have been brought to a more Christianly view of the world.
(I know this is long but I am passionate about this subject)
And as for the rewards ... knowing God's love is an amazing thing. And there are amazing people out there that you can get in touch with in fellowship through Christ. To know that you are never alone, that there is always someone to catch your tears, to hold you up when you fall ... I find that to be more rewarding than anything in the world, and far outweighs whatever sacrifices I must make, such as living by God's word, going to church every Sunday, and yes, even giving money to the church. But you only have to give what you want - nothing more, and if any church pressures you to do so, you should find another one.
Anyway, I hope I'm not too offensive, but again, this is a subject about which I could go on for hours. I think the themes of the poem should have been researched a little further before progressing, and the rhyming sometimes falls apart a little.
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Hmmm, how to view this? Your form is nice and the flow is even. With the ommision of some words, it does make the reading more difficult.
Thank you for sharing.
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Not all Christians are "Yes-men". I guess then the church wouldn't allow us to say we're Christians if we aren't stupid enough to fall for their rules. Religion is an organized leadership that usually forgets the reason for Jesus. I know so many people, including myself, sick of my church because they lose sight of what needs to be and get caught up in money. My pastors are very rich, get the church members paying for a lot of their things while the congregation itself is living with second and third hands things. That doesn't seem odd to them because that would be thinking bad about their God-given authority.
Anyway, I always respect the people of the congregation who make money for themselves, not through tithes. I respect them because they are obedient to what they believe is right. It sucks they are so to speak 'brainwashed' in stupidity. But, I believe they will be blessed in heaven for living good lives. So not all Christians are stupid. I believe in God, but that's as far as it goes. My faith does not revolve around a church. THose who choose to believe in evolution or whichever is their choice and I will never reprimand them for it. Just keep in mind we are not all high and mighty, but live in reality.
Great poem, anyhow. I agree that your rhyme scheme is a bit trite here and there but I don't see that being the point to your writing these poems, therefore it is irrelevent. Btw, I read Glacians poems once in a while too, and he is a good poet as well.
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Well, I DO believe in God, and the Bible, and in a lot of things in this poem, but aren't you upset because somebody wrote a poem criticizing Christians? And isn't this a poem criticizing an atheist? And doesn't the Bible say to turn the other cheek? I applaud that you're trying to do something about this situation, but you're going about it the wrong way. Two wrongs don’t make a right. I also know all about Glacian, have read his authors page, and read his highly controversial poem, but you know what? I stopped reading his poems, authors page, and if I ever feel the need to IM him, I don’t bring up religion. You know what I mean?
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Amen. Wonderful job on this poem! It is all true and I think all of us could learn from it. It is so awesome to see another Christian poem because many poems are dark and depressing. It was very touching. Great job and God bless!
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Not bad, but a bit more sensitivity wouldn't
This reminds me of the stereotypes thrown around about the Christian groups in North America, a lot of them are said to have beliefs that are considered by many to be out-dated (except the flat-earth one; I don't think even they could be said to subscribe to that one). Even so, I suspect it could have been a little more sensitively written. It's not at all bad, though. Keep writing! -
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just a quick comment to cirafly24, but are you or anyone else United Pentacostal or any type of Pentacostal? -
I disagree with a number of critiques above me. I don't think you went overboard at all. I agree with most of the issues you touched upon, it's so refreshing to see them written in a poem. And such a well-written poem at that. I noticed there were a few approximate rhymes, but I think you intended to do that, I don't think it was an error. A lot of hard-core Christians nowadays end up really close minded, when they don't mean to be. It's saddening, really. But I don't want to go too much off-topic. I really like this piece, you did a wonderful job on it.
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Excellent!!
comming from a deep United Pentacostal.....That Is Awsome Dude!!!!! Keep up the good work. check out my poem. its along these lines -
It seems that a lot of people have missed the point of this piece (or I have). I find it interesting that a lot of people who seem to come down on the side of religion only think that parts of this were over the top. I sort of thought that you were attempting to call attention to the hypocrisy inherent to organized religion, in this specific case Christianity...
There are a few technical errors in this piece, (example: "They telling lies to our kids", I would guess should be "they're telling lies to our kids"), and you seem to stray away from the rhyme scheme in some places, but this is on the whole a solid, well-written piece.
Cheers!
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Well, I'll talk about the poem's flow, instead of more of the ideas running within this piece. I enjoyed how the piece was kept at an upbeat tempo. Your descriptions seem to be shouting off the page with all the exclamations there, but I can't say, that I've never heard this before. With my time on allpoetry (although it's not been that long) I have read many religious poems, debating the existence of God..the uselessness of religion. And it's quite a tiring topic, if you ask me. But back to the poem, I liked how it was kept at an upbeat tempo, to keep your readers interested to finish the piece. Good job with that.
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It's funny b/c I've been a believer now for 20plus yrs and I have never run across the people you describe here, although I do believe they are out there. I am sorry that this is how you categorize us...
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I'm hoping this is satire/sarcasm. If not...then ummm may I suggest you pray alot more and roll in lambs blood every thursday! Jk, jk. I liked this in a way, although It felt like some words were missing in most of the lines. Anyhow, not bad, not bad at all.
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Interesting poem, I dont know if your a Jesus freak of if your sick of religon, anyway, good poem I think.
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I agree with the above. It goes a tad overboard. First few stanzas are alright but then it just goes a bit haywire. Even the most hard core fundamentalist Christians don't believe the world is flat, or believe in Ptolemic astronomy. Your sentiment is appreciated though...it just needs to come down a bit. Not being of any particular Abrahamic religion myself (being a gnostic of the "a" variety), I can't really comment on the deeper implications this has (if there are any), but I do know the line for when satire loses its affect.
Regards,
Yossarian
PS: Is it just me, or do some of you believe this poem reflects this poet's actual views? I think some of you need to take "Satire 101" at your local community college...
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Good,..but a little harsh.
It's a good poem..a little too harsh tho'. Don't forget to capitalize your L's and G's -
Most religions are violent. Check your news. Also, Catholicism is a form of Christianity, not a separate religion.
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Dear Christians,
There's good reason that religion is fading out. It's fine to take comfort in a deity as long as you don't hurt anyone in the process. Christianity/Catholicism is a very violent religion. If you don't believe me read your Bible. Matthew 10:24 Luke 19:27. Those should be very enlightening for you
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This would be pretty accurate in the Middle Ages. However I think it's safe to say that most of the Jesus-freaks nowadays are more concerned with abortion, satanists, not so much with the Earth being flat. For corrections, God is capitalized whether you like it or not, and sometimes the rhyming scheme fell flat. Like the earth.
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This sounded a tad... too much
but the sentiment was correct. God does call us to live a good life. One that glorifies Him. One that He'd be proud to witness.
Umm... scientists aren't bad. Some of them do wrong things with the knowledge that they are given. But God has blessed then with Wisdom as he did Solomon. And many of them are helping God's people.
Prayer is a great message as well It's what gives us the strength and guidance we need to fulfil God's plan for us.
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its a good poem..but...
Wow im very sorry if this has been your experience with christians. I just want you to know that is not the way all christians think. We are not all fire, brimstone and old fashioned-ness Im actually going to a christian college now to become a psychologist and my sister has downs syndrome. Also we do want creationism to be taught in schools but with evolution not instead of it. I hope that i have maybe helped to change your veiw on christians. We're not all "YOURE GOING TO HELL IF YOU DO THAT" kinda people so peace and love
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Confusing
Silverwingz and I have so much in common. I seem to see him everywhere i go! I agree with him on that sarcastic point . What's up with that? I felt it most in this stanza--
The church is in truth your only friend,
Your link to god upon this land.
To be a member you must donate,
Your car, your money, real-estate!
Those last two lines..how can you be serous? I'm Catholic, which nowadays is considered a bad thing, since the raping and abusing thing but I mean, I honestly love God. I'm not perfect, nor do I go to church every week like i should, and I don't claim to give everything, but how can you say that? ughh..i dont know..! Best wishes!
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A very true insight into the minds of *some* of our Christian brother and sisters, and most especially into the church. If one believes, then believe. One doesn't need 4 walls and a ceiling and 1,000.00 of dollars worth of decorations and pews to believe.
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um i think this goes over the top a little bit and sounded sort of sarcastic... i mean come on! i have anxiety. thats a mental illness. but i am most definately not possesed.
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