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Howl For Four Thousand Points

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

You know that great big one you keep meaning to write?

Here is your excuse.

Any Style.

You need not emulate Ginsbergs style in howl, but the

length is what I'm looking for, 400 lines minimum.

Let, 'er rip, you now have four thousand excuses.

2000 for gold

1000 for silver

1000 for bronze

 

If nothing worthy arrives I'll give up.

Please don't submit crap in a four thousand point contest.

 

-To be clear...

 

I want poetry, not prose.

I expect to extend the deadline and not limit entries.

Not Anonymous - I judge fairly, but probably penalize

my friends a bit to keep it that way.

I will be flexable to plus or minus ten percent on length

but expect that something beyond 400 lines will win.

Yes, I have done this, and will again...

If your offering is not up to a minimum standard, I'll

withdraw it, so leave your ego at the door.

If you have questions about my judging ethics, ask one

of the people from the comments who plans to enter;

chances are they will have been to my contests before,

or look at my past contests.

 

-Advice

 

I found stretching something smaller to fail. Think in

terms of taking something larger and paring it down

with the same word economy you would bring to forty

lines.

 

Read "Howl"

Not so much to "borrow" style or substance, but to

understand that a single line or phrase carries just

as much weight as in a smaller piece.

 

I wrote my big one in a week, and have now been

editing it for months. The finalists will be re-read

at the last instant, so feel free to edit right up to

the end,

               the end, my friends...

 

 

 

MAY FIRST UPDATE

 

I've been ill and unable to work on judging

but I have a good start now and will finish quite

soon. Everyone entered will get an HM and

I will be adding a number of 500 point awards

in keeping with the scope of these pieces and

the immense task of judging.

 

Thank you all for your patience and the incredible reading!

 

Rob

 

P.S  The reports of my death are greatly exaggerated. lol.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Contest is Over

  • Contest was judged on May 5, 2007
  • Rewards: Gold: 2000, Silver: 1000, Bronze: 1000, Honorable mention: 26 people
  • Final notes:
    What a monumental task!
    Thank you all!
    Everyone gets an honorable mention.
    The top sixteen [finalists] will all receive
    a minimum of 500 points and my awe.
    My friends were somewhat penalized in the judging, as is my custom.
    I'm adding all those 500 point awards because I really feel as if they were all goldworthy. They are in no particular order
    after the bronze and I must admit to subjectivity coming into play in the top three,as all sixteen were GREAT and I had to just give in to a personal "wow factor"

    Again thanks for your work and patience.
    It will likely take me a year to gather
    the points for another contest like this.

    Peace, Rob

Contest Winners

  1. by myriad-dark 450 lines, 12 comments, on Mar 7 11:14 PM 2007. In Abuse, Dark, Society, Angst, Personal Tribute to Alan Ginsberg
    Gold trophy winner
    • Commented on by judge. [remove]
  2. by MuddyKing 466 lines, 38 comments, on Mar 14 10:10 AM 2007. In Society, Lyrics, Adult
    Honorable winner
    • Commented on by judge. [remove]
  3. by Scott Adelmann 374 lines, 72 comments, on Mar 10 7:00 PM 2007. In Adult, Society, Pain, Life, Contemporary, Sad, Spiritual
    Honorable winner
    • Commented on by judge. [remove]
  4. Life moves is cycles
    With cycles in circles
    by dp robertson 945 lines, 14 comments, on Mar 30 7:19 PM 2007. In Personal, Society, Thoughts
    Honorable winner
    • Commented on by judge. [remove]
  5. by Night Hope 498 lines, 20 comments, on Mar 8 1:39 AM 2007. In Personal, Hope, Life, Love, Spiritual, Nature, Sad, Joy
    Honorable winner
    • Commented on by judge. [remove]
  6. I've finished it finally. I wish I'd noticed it sooner, It just flew out onto the page, but it took days for it all to get here.
    by Dspiritsong 402 lines, 7 comments, on Apr 14 12:17 PM 2007. In Weird, Other
    Honorable winner
    • Commented on by judge. [remove]
  7. by XxGoldenxXDawnxX 401 lines, 4 comments, on Apr 13 7:36 PM 2007. In Adult, Dark, Spiritual, Thoughts, Philosophy, Occult, Weird
    Honorable winner
    • Commented on by judge. [remove]
  8. UNFINISHED
    by UnusedUntitled 361 lines, 1 comment, on Apr 6 10:31 PM 2007
    Honorable winner
    • Commented on by judge. [remove]
  9. Graffiti encircles the red brick mantras;
    by Moonshinesuicide 403 lines, 8 comments, on Apr 5 12:52 PM 2007
    Honorable winner
    • Commented on by judge. [remove]
  10. Part One
    To whom much is given, much is expected.
    by Peteskid 531 lines, 25 comments, on Mar 10 1:10 PM 2007
    Honorable winner
    • Commented on by judge. [remove]
  11. What is Death?
    by Diseased Mind 435 lines, 15 comments, on Mar 25 2:56 PM 2007. In Contemporary, Life, Sad
    Honorable winner
    • Commented on by judge. [remove]
  12. This is a VERY long fantasy epic. 410 lines, not counting spaces.
    by Ontarah 514 lines, 5 comments, on Mar 9 2:22 AM 2007. In Fantasy, Epic
    Honorable winner
    • Commented on by judge. [remove]

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  • Thanatos
    March 7, 2007
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    OMG
    THANK YOU
    WONDERFUL CONTEST
    I AM SO ENTERING

  • bgoub
    March 7, 2007
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    I'll definitely have a shot at this one, just give me a bit of time. All the best,

  • zydeco
    March 7, 2007
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    finally! an excuse to write something substantial. those 10 line contests arent posing much of a challenge...

  • Just Rob gold member
    March 7, 2007
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    < In the

    tradition of Jack I will protect the guilty and decline to comment on any chemical assistance I may have had with mine.
    I will look forward to an electrifying entry from my droogie.


  • mourningmonday
    March 7, 2007
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    wow, nows this is a contest. I'll be sure to enter this one.

  • AJ Morelli gold member
    March 7, 2007
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    Holy shit!!!

    • Just Rob gold member
      March 7, 2007
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      Holy Shit

      would be great. Allen did it once so it would really need to be over the top...


  • Ted E Bare gold member
    March 7, 2007
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    You will definitely have your work cut out for you with the entries you receive. I'm still procrastinating my short stories, so I know I will miss this opportunity to write a lengthy poem. Good luck hosting this one.

    Ted E

  • Celticmoon gold member
    March 7, 2007
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    400 lines?

    Damn Rob!

    I've done 105 lines, don't know if I can pull off 400 though.

    • Just Rob gold member
      March 7, 2007
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      Hee Hee

      I asked myself what it would take to make me do another.
      This would have done it.

  • marc creamore
    March 7, 2007
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    OMG . . . a contest with some meat . . . I so look forward to the many entries you will receive, I'm sure. Only 13 days . . . that's gonna be a little tough, got no time and my muse has blown a fuse!!!!

    • Just Rob gold member
      March 7, 2007
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      I'm Sure

      I will be extending this one, count on having twenty days.
      I would love it if you find an excuse to let 'er rip!

  • Malabu
    March 7, 2007
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    I lack talent to write long

    winded......at least I dont think so.....I may also lack time too...If I did...Id probably bore you to death....
    Mal
  • Melissa Gayle gold member
    March 7, 2007
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    Hey. I am all for this, very, very cool. But I may need a bit more time, is that an option if needed?
  • Melissa Gayle gold member
    March 7, 2007
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    and wait, can i make a place holder so no one takes my spot?!

  • Rowan gold member
    March 7, 2007
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    Yikes!! I'm with Victory on this..lol..tough one.
    But great idea. Can't wait to see what happens with this.

  • Agony Creeps
    March 7, 2007
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    ARE YOU SERIOUS!?!?!?!?!

    Ok....so as we speak I'm working on a piece, are you 100% serious about the 400 line minimum, 'cause I'd like to enter it, and I don't honestly know how long I can "drag it out" but I'd like to get it as close as possible to your expectations, lol.
    ~Agony

    • Just Rob gold member
      March 8, 2007
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      I may bend

      it a bit for a piece with longer lines, but I expect entries over four hundred will win.

  • transcendental baby gold member
    March 7, 2007
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    Man, I'm coming back here just to read

  • Ontarah
    March 8, 2007
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    I have a somewhat strange question. I've been working an a really long story poem for a while now. The first half I have already posted on allpoetry but not the second half which is still unwritten. If I was to finish it for this contest would that count as a prewrite? The first half is already up which is about 200 lines and the second half will probably be at least that long. I like to know before I finish it if that could count as a new poem.

  • NurseChilly gold member
    March 8, 2007
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    bugger me!!! that's alot of wonga Rob!!!

  • MuddyKing Moderators member
    March 8, 2007
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    This one's been brewing since you posted, well at least I have a title thanks to Clapton
    Strange Brew
    see ya in a week...lol
    peace bro

    • Just Rob gold member
      March 8, 2007
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      Very Cool,

      can't wait to read it. Good luck bro.

      • MuddyKing Moderators member
        March 8, 2007
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        hey I only have 399 lines to go....anyways cool idea

  • Dusty Rose
    March 8, 2007
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    Good lord..That's a whole lot of lines..yowsers...

  • Almighty Aphrodite gold member
    March 8, 2007
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    I had always been known to write in a lengthy style, but Rob... even for me this seems a little extravagant. 400 lines? How many words are to be in each line? I'd give you 4,000 if my muse were at its prime, although I can't say for the life of me that it is at this moment... (that sounds like a novel...which I am working on, over 95,000 words and still two more chapters to fill...) I will see if I have the energy and what I can come up with.

    I hope all goes will with your contest. It will be a valiant effort.



    Many blessings,

    Raven Aurora

  • Duana gold member
    March 13, 2007
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    wow, I would try this, but the harsh judgement you stated 'don't write crap', will keep me and a million others away. It's actually a contradiction- a howel is whatever 'crap' is in your heart - and all the groans coming from the soul are eloquent- in fact the more you struggle to speak what comes from the soul, but can't (because who can't), the more raw- in my mind, the more moving, the more beautiful, when it's honest, and true.

    I will certainly come back though and read all the entries in your contest. I am glad I am not the judge! But a brilliant idea for a contest.

    • Just Rob gold member
      March 13, 2007
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      Bring the raw

      stuff. If the scope fails to intimidate, the "crap" line shouldn't either.lol. It will be a bear to judge. I will be using outside help before it's over. In fact, I will probably make it a bit of a workshop for my local writers group to add input.

      Many of the best examples of super long poems are rather free-wheeling in nature. All the better. I would just hate to see someone spend a lot of time on something awful given the caliber of some who have or will enter. No one loses by grabbing the excuse to let that long one fly.

      Judging by your response, I hope you will reconsider and think about entering.

      P.S Punctuation and spelling can be edited out of good poetry, but it's tough to edit in good poetry where only bad prose exists.

  • poetryality silver member
    March 24, 2007
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    You're trying to make me go back out after almost 11 years of being clean and smoke me a joint man! I can't do something like this clean and sober, hell! I'm shaking my head here. What!? Now you've got my heart and mind racing. Let me finish judging my contest that's filled with pretentious crap, and some good stuff too. Remind me to never, ever hold another "Give me your Best (Prewrite) Contest" again! Especially for 1,000 points. I'm dying over here. I'll be back!




    LOVE YOU ♥

    Renee
  • ecrivain01 silver member
    March 27, 2007
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    Intriguing idea.

    I am not wordy enough for this one, but I hope you get many great entries. It's been too long since the 60's and I'm a tad worn down. Anyway, good luck with the contest.

  • poetryality silver member
    March 28, 2007
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    I made it

    didn't have to use any mind-altering substances either...well...maybe chocolate!

    Havve fun reading darlin'!


    Renee

  • windhover3
    April 5, 2007
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    some people are friggin gluttons for punishment... brave and worthy of you. With only one day remaining, i'll keep my excuses and spare you the additional trauma, but you deserve to be commended. What ever happened to the ability to clap for contests?

  • grannyeri gold member
    April 5, 2007
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    Don't think all my lines in all my poems tally up to that! I'm brief and to the point, not sure I could create a howl about anything with that many lines. LOL But this is a great contest for those who can, and the rewards are worth the right! Thanks for hosting.

  • Idle Mind Wondering silver member
    April 6, 2007
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    OK you got me I'll write as soon as my daughter is in bed that leaves me four hours

  • Gay Butch Fairy
    April 7, 2007
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    Well I am not up for 300+ lines, so best of luck in reading all of this. Maybe 10 lines of brilliance is better than 400 lines of crap!

  • InfiniteCaitlin
    April 12, 2007
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    Freakin' Ay

    It was hard, long and hard,


    But I did it,,



    400 lines,


    quite fun....
    Thanks for hosting, and giving me an excuse to piss others off =P

  • Dspiritsong gold member
    April 19, 2007
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    Hey Rob

    I have finally finished Howling is Contagious... I hope that you get the chance to read what I've written. It will go along with my Native American Saga, but it was so much fun to see how much I could write about one subject. Truth is I could have kept writing, but stopped in a good place I think. Thank you for challenging me, Spiritsong

  • poetryality silver member
    May 5, 2007
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    Thank you for Honorable Mention in this challenge. Indeed it was a challenge to my muse. I enjoyed the time spent to collect all my thought to write this HOWL! What an ingenious idea to hold such a contest in honor of the beat poets of the past. There are many present such poets. I tip my hat to everyone!

    Congratulations to all the winners and honorable mentions. Now on to read the winning works! YOU GET SOME REST MAN! Don't make me come over there!



    Always ♥

    Renee

  • Night Hope gold member
    May 5, 2007
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    First of all & most importantly, ya know I love you, Sweetness. Thank you for hosting such a challenging contest (for me, anyway), for the distinguished Honorable Mention & amazing amount of points...& hell, just for Being, my Friend...Congratulations to everyone that had the...uhhh...intestinal fortitude to enter... A courageous bunch, for sure...Special congratulations to the winners & other honorable mentions, many of whom are my incredibly talented Friends, as well...Hallelujah, we made it through... Be well, Poets & Scribes...'specially YOU, Sweetness... Sweet Pea

    "Swansong Unsung Until Now"

    http://www.allpoetry.com/poem/2714408
  • Melissa Gayle gold member
    May 5, 2007
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    Rob, thank you so much for the silver, I am incredibly dumbfounded.

  • Scott Adelmann
    May 5, 2007
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    Thanks Rob! And congratulations to everyone - anyone who actually had the tenacity to write 400 lines.

  • MuddyKing Moderators member
    May 6, 2007
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    congrats to the winners and thanks for the mention
    but more than that, thanks for pushing us to be better poets...killer contest...probably my favorite thus far at AP

    thake care bro
    peace Muddy

  • Duana gold member
    June 9, 2007
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    wow, am I disappointed I didn't get to be a part of this I really wanted to. I hope you don't wait a whole nother year for the opportunity. This is definitely one of those opportunities I will regret forever.

    So who won the silver?
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