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New Logo!

And front page design Hope you like them! The front page top image will change every few months, roughly with the seasons.

Update: some IE6 users weren't seeing the logo nor the 'Read' menu. This should be fixed now.

You may also notice that it is centered on the screen. Over the next week, all pages will be centered like that on large monitors. We'll be upgrading the background chooser so you can choose the 'edge' color. Happy poetry writing!
If you don't see the front page of the site (click the logo) centered on the screen, your monitor may not be very large, and that's fine.

Later this week, we'll be upgrading the background chooser to use the same one as at storywrite. Left-patterns will also be repeated again on the right side of the screen when the monitor space is big enough. This usually looks pretty good, but does run into problems occassionally.

Hope you like the updates! Long live allpoetry!

Coming up in the next months: better support for requesting critical reviews vs. casual reviews, and hopefully a better way to find a good comment-exchange group.

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  • who iam
    November 15, 2008
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    Great look ! You are doing a fantastic job keeping everything and everyone happy!


  • Miss Faerie Greeters member
    September 10, 2008
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    Well I actually like the changes. I think that it's streamlined, neat and once I played around, quite easy to navigate.

    Thank you Kevin, for all the work that you do.
    Whilst some may not agree, there are others who voiced an opinion that liked this option and I believe that to be valid too.


  • AJ Morelli gold member
    September 8, 2008
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    i just saw that you said that you were going to change all the pages here to look like the ones on storywrite, did i read that right?

    i think that storywrite is way too narrow, with all that useless space the sides... i don't care for it and i'm sure i'm not alone in thinking that... i'm not sure many people know about this, you should make another annoucement if you intend too because this ones gonna cause quite an uproar i assure you...

    or just tell me i'm mistaken and ignore everything i just said..


    one more thing, why exactly did we all weigh in on the new logo when you ignored the replies you received... i was following it and i know the present raven without the circle was favored by at least 10 to 1...


  • BarbedWireButterfly
    September 8, 2008
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    I've shown the new changes to at least three people and pointed it out to two current members. Every single one of them considered me to be wasting their time by showing them this site.

    What confuses me the most, and I know I may cop a bit for this, but it must be pointed out. This quote is on Kevin's page,
    "I believe in interaction. Working together as a community"

    And yet, many people are being ignored. I know I may cop something from some members for this but it needed to be said. I am not trying to be a bitch but simply stating the obvious.

    Many people have suggested new options and given their opinions. These lines, in my opinion, do nothing for the site and just cramp things. So, why are we being ignored when he clearly states he wishes for us to work together?


    • Kevin Moderators member
      September 8, 2008
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      First, thanks for your feedback. It is valued.

      By "these lines" I assume you mean the fact that the page is centered? This is a common and "in" design element among popular websites right now. I've spent a lot of time doing design work as well as researching other sites.

      The last few days I've spent working on a better solution to the left-edge backgrounds than is currently used on storywrite. It'll launch on storywrite today, and hopefully be ready for allpoetry later this week.

      It's important to my vision of allpoetry that it say at least somewhat "in" with the current idea of design, in order to find and keep more members in the community. I understand the look is too "modern" or "iconic" for some. Hopefully over time you will appreciate how it makes things easier to read, or at least just ignore it and get back to the poetry.

      I understand you and your friends don't like some of the changes, but for now, I'm still pretty happy with the (mixed) results and impressions.

      • BarbedWireButterfly
        September 17, 2008
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        And the lines look absolutely terrible. I thought you would have realised with story write which has 108 online compared to 1000 something here. Current websites may be doing this but they aren't doing huge lines. They have nice thin ones which do accentuate the page. These just make it look clumsy and awful. I looked at a page of poetry this morning and just turned the screen off.


      • requiempoet gold member
        September 8, 2008
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        Kevin, just because current websites are doing the modern thing doesn't mean it's liked by it's members. I'll give you an example. Facebook is soon launching it's brand new design and they had a preview of it and thousands of members on facebook are vocal about NOT changing it. It looks hideous and way to business like.

        How is centering and squishing things together modern and keeping people IN the poetry community when you did the same thing at story write and it drove people out?

        BarbedWireButterfly has a good idea change the cramped unused stupid space to 2 inches instead of unusable 5 inches of ugly space.


        Also are you going to fix the seagull bird back to it's original amazingness???

      • BarbedWireButterfly
        September 8, 2008
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        wow, I never expected a reply. Thank you so much.

        I'm sorry if I appeared to be a bitch. I was just tired of having nothing written in the journal even to show that we were being listened to.

        Well each to his own with the new layout ideas. I personally think the two lines creates a cramped space. The front page has become a bit of a hassle. Maybe making the text a bit smaller on the front page would fix this?

        Or maybe have but a single line. That way, a lot of people who do concrete poetry won't be affected. Maybe smaller lines would be even better. This way you still keep with the new modern look you are searching for, but don't have unnecessary 5.5 centimeter lines at the edge of the page. I think a lot of people would be thrilled if it was reduced to 2 or maybe even 3. That way, I think everyone is happy to be honest. You've got the people who love it still happy and the people who hate it become adjusted to it easier.

        Just my thoughts and suggestions. Thank you for replying and I hope you at least consider these suggestions.


  • Mirthryl
    September 5, 2008
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    I like the new logo.
    I hope you will prepare to patiently guide us non-techy types through the foreseeable "occasional problems!"

    Many thanks, Kevin, for all you do to maintain and improve the AP site!


  • Commodore Rouge
    September 5, 2008
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    I love the new logo! It's a lovely fresh, modern look! Thanks for the change!


  • brightsmylesxx
    September 5, 2008
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    It looks really nice! It was time for a change of layout. Thanks so much Kevin!

    ~


  • Ceridwens Soul silver member
    September 5, 2008
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    Awesome work, AllPoetry is looking elegant and stylish as an art site should.

    Well done Kevin


  • Redeemed15
    September 5, 2008
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    I'm not sure what I think of the new background, but I'm glad you changed it, I'm tired of the old one.


  • facesofnatalia
    September 5, 2008
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    i dig it. good job d00d.


  • neurosine gold member
    September 5, 2008
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    Nope, Kev...don't like it

    The old layout was much cleaner, and the birdy didn't look like an out of aspect ratio mu-tant.
    And besides, he should be soaring. Edgar Allen Emo birds are for boring poets.
    You can't please everyone, and if you like it, well you've done all of the work. Just putting in my never humble opinion as usual. Take care.
    -Neurosine


  • x-sweet-sunshine-x
    September 5, 2008
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    Well. I'll say that I don't mind the layout and I really don't understand what the fuss is about. So there's a new logo. Their desicion - I don't see us volunteering to run the site. The kinks will be worked out, either that, or they'll go back the the old layout. It's a week of uncomfortable layout. I think we can wait.


  • Little Blue Bird
    September 5, 2008
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    As long as it doesn't mess up the backgrounds we are already using with our poems I think it should be fine but if it will mess up our backgrounds we currently use I would rather you left it alone.


    • Dread Pirate Clyde
      September 5, 2008
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      It will mess up the backgrounds we have already. Ever been to storywrite? *shakes head*


      • Little Blue Bird
        September 6, 2008
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        Its been a long time since I have been to storywrite but now I will go check it out again.

        • Little Blue Bird
          September 6, 2008
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          Ok saw all my stuff on Storywrite and I am not happy with the new lay out. Nor will I be happy with it here. I like having the page fill the whole screen, it's easier to see everything. I have bad eyes and seizures having the colored sides like that is a distraction for my eyes and could cause seizures.
          The motto for all businesses has always been "The customer is always right." I think the same applies to all of us poets.
          I think maybe just the title page should be affected by this change cause it is not as distracted as the backgrounds we have for the poems.


  • Allyce May gold member
    September 5, 2008
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    Oooo, I'm afraid to have an opinion!

    I love allpoetry and at the end of the day, it's the poetry I'm here for. This said though, the little bird is ugly!

  • BarbedWireButterfly
    September 5, 2008
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    I feel sorry for those poor people who spent ages making the poetry in the shape of things. Concrete poetry I think it's called. With this new colour blocks at the edges it will be ruined.

    A lot of poetry is going to look awful due to this. It will squeeze everything into a tiny space and lines will run on which really takes away the professional look we had before.


  • nichtmich silver member
    September 5, 2008
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    Like the new changes, love allpoetry, hate the seagull.


  • rbruce gold member
    September 5, 2008
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    New logo? Yep. Do I like it ? yep. I am here as a writer, the new logo is nice and peaceful and is obviously from a good photographer. I am a lifetime member and I fail to understand why all the bellyaching about the change. Life changes every day and I won't waste my time moaning about that, it will be a winter logo soon, maybe someone will notice and appreciate it.


    • TheGangstress
      September 5, 2008
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      "the new logo is nice and peaceful and is obviously from a good photographer" -- it's not a picture. Someone drew it or designed it on the computer.


      • rbruce gold member
        September 5, 2008
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        Picture or computer design, I find it peaceful and unobtrusive. I like things that way.


        • Dread Pirate Clyde
          September 5, 2008
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          The 'logo' is the gull-looking bird thing. I think you meant the top image.


          • rbruce gold member
            September 5, 2008
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            Yep, you are right. I did mean the image. I hardly noticed the change to the bird.


            • Dread Pirate Clyde
              September 5, 2008
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              Haha the bird is kind of a minor issue to me right now. I do like the top image, though.


              • rbruce gold member
                September 5, 2008
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                Yeah, the bird is just there, I like the image though. I still find its restful to my weary old eyes.


    • apples fell
      September 5, 2008
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      Well said partner of Elisabeth.
      Well said.


  • Elisabeth silver member
    September 5, 2008
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    I don't really understand what the fuss and the invective is about.

    Kevin is the site owner, he adjusts and improves the sites in his care all the time. Most of the time you don't see the changes, you feel them - the way things operate, your ease of operation.

    Do you say "Thanks, Kevin?" No you don't.

    When Kevin does a major overhaul of the site, and shows you, with a little pride in his heart, what do you do?

    Most of you throw 'brickbats' Shame on you, you of small minds and a strong selfish streak.

    I paid for a Life Gold membership, so did my partner.

    We don't complain or make silly painful noises.

    We don't wish for the things we don't need. We're still working out all the advantages we have. If anyone actually uses everything that is included in a high level membership, I would truly like to know.

    I think all this 'whinging, moaning and beating of chests is a total waste of time.

    If you can't fix it, why on earth are you trying?

    • Dread Pirate Clyde
      September 5, 2008
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      We're all allowed to have an opinion and this page was created with the idea in mind that we would voice said opinions, whether they be favorable or not.

      Shame on us? Shame on you. If you REALLY like the new changes, good on ya. If you're just saying that because Kevin did it and it's his incentive, screw that. It's your money and that of other paying members that pay for this site, and as such YOU (if not EVERY member who frequents the site) should have a say in how its run.

      Because we know how to argue a point and don't approve doesn't mean we're selfish people. We would have gladly accepted a change that benefited the site. This does NOTHING for the aesthetic, nor does it draw more writers. I showed it to a non-AP affiliated friend last night because he's been looking for a site to start RPing again. He waited for the front page to load and said, "I'm not joining if I have to look at that every day." I don't feel so harsh anymore if even outsiders don't like it.

      And we HAVE offered solutions to the problem No, we can't fix it ourselves. Kevin has to want to work with us and he obviously doesn't. How can he inspire gratitude and a dedication to a site where the members are obviously not considered an active part of making said site better? HE CAN'T. Instead of griping at us for voicing opinions and offering solutions that would better suit everybody involved, why not direct your diatribe at him and ask him to respond to some of us. He can't ignore that what he's done is NOT improving the site on the whole; it's destroying creative freedom where stylized poetry and custom backgrounds are concerned.

      I may not be a paying member which makes my opinion obsolete, but others are and they are practically SCREAMING the same thing I am. We aren't selfish for wanting to see changes that benefit our hard work and the time we've invested into making our pages and poems our own. I think Kevin should honor that and either return the layout to the way it was, allow for a choice between the two, or put the new layout in the public domain while leaving author's pages/poetry pages/group pages alone.

      Shame on us? I THINK NOT.


      • requiempoet gold member
        September 5, 2008
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        lmao I paid to have my opinion heard. Besides that my old nick used to be " I must scream"


        • Dread Pirate Clyde
          September 5, 2008
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          Lulz...I figure without paying members, Kevin wouldn't have the money to keep this site going. Without members at all, he wouldn't have a site in the first place. He could at least show us a little courtesy in asking our opinions and taking into consideration everything that's said.

          • requiempoet gold member
            September 6, 2008
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            I think eventually Kevin is going to lock us out of this thread and say OK THATS ENOUGH I'VE HAD IT WITH DPC and HEAR HER BREATHE Lollerskates


      • Rose Dark Thorn silver member
        September 5, 2008
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        Totally and completely agree, DPC.

        Fanfiction has an option to make the text fit the page at three different sizes. Why can't this be the kind of option we can have here, instead of ruining the custom background so many people on this site have worked so hard on? I don't see why we need the huge strips of color on each side of the screen at all.

    • requiempoet gold member
      September 5, 2008
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      Subtle changes are nice, a little warning and preview is even better. I thank Kevin, because he gave us this wonderful site, but I'm also going to tell him when I'm not happy with what I paid for. I'm a little insulted that you think that the people who are upset by these changes are of " small minds" and have " a strong selfish streak" So I'm guessing that you're completely selfish 100% of the time? and You never complain about anything? Your life must be perfect, how boring for you.

    • TheGangstress
      September 5, 2008
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      "...you of small minds and a strong selfish streak." -- How is it selfish that our opinion is asked for and then totally ignored? Many of the paying members don't like the logo, and made that well-known before the decision was even made.

    • Rose Dark Thorn silver member
      September 5, 2008
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      Okay, so let me get this straight. I am a small minded selfish person because I don't like something kevin decided to do that will ruin my backgrounds in which I paid for a membership to make so I could use them? I'm not allowed to be miffed about that?

      Well, excuse me, but that's a little rude of you, to cast judgment over me for not liking something because it completely ruins creations I put A LOT of time into.

      And I will also have you know that I DO use all of advantages included with a gold membership. I pay for it monthly and what do I get in return? Large blank strips of color on the sides that will cause all of my backgrounds to look ugly and misplaced.

      Forgive me, but I do believe I have a very good reason to not be happy about this change, seeing as I really do not see how shoving everything in the middle of the screen improves the site at all.


      • requiempoet gold member
        September 5, 2008
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        Lol Sweet Rose Darling, I know you're not selfish.


        **Pickets the change**

    • apples fell
      September 5, 2008
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      There you go Elisabeth.
      Nicely said.

      I paid for a lifetime gold membership on my first account here and am going to be buying another one very soon for this one (my second)...Which updates, as of now, monthly. I think we should be happy with what we receive, which is the idea of words, and if we do have problems with something, we should also remember that in the end, it is Kevin's site. Period. We choose to be here, we choose to interact and there is no gun to anyone's head who is not happy with its entirety.

      I just wanted to say that I enjoyed your response to this article and I don't think it is brown nosing to say "thank you" from time to time, like some claim.

      ;

      • Elisabeth silver member
        September 5, 2008
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        Thanks

        I rarely comment and when I do I believe I have something to say.

        I enjoyed your comment "What's with all the bitching?" How true.

        I came here to write and socialise a little. I chose to come here and I could choose to leave. I didn't leave as you see, and I am more than happy with what I have. I'm getting very good value for my money and I'm happy with that.

        I was raised to be polite and straight forward, so I'm not afraid to say thank you when it is deserved. I am not afraid to say when a person is wrong, rude or being stupid in their actions. I am also able to take constructive criticism when it is given.

        Oops, I digressed, my apologies,*grovel*

        Your comment delighted me and I had a chuckle over it. We're both correct in appreciating what we have.

        to 'apples fell'

        • apples fell
          September 5, 2008
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          You can call me James, firstly.

          I was originally a member here back in 2003, on my first account...Which was under the name "jaunty pill" and for awhile, I was content there...But as my poetry changed and I got, I guess you could say "wiser"...I wanted a new poem wall to show off my poetic progress so to speak and I will have no problem once again investing in a permanent lifetime membership...When I get the extra lump of cash, that is. But yes, we really should be happy with what we have and show a little respect and compassion for the hard work that goes into this place. I'm not saying everything will be perfect, but that happens...I have learned that bitching gets people nowhere, except adding to more unneeded frustration. I also appreciate good constructive critiques on my work and value those who give it. I think what people fail to realize is that without this site in general, they would not have a place to leave such scathing comments in. I'm glad you enjoyed my comment. It's not often I leave my thoughts on these columns, as usually I just never have the time...But it felt right, like you said and well, I'm very glad we both took the time I guess.

          *Waves back.*


  • apples fell
    September 5, 2008
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    What's with all the bitching?
    It's like someone just dropped a house on the real wicked witch. I say, let us enjoy the time spent here on this earth and stop trying to put everything into "bad" and "good" categories...I swear, the new look really is good Kevin, but I suppose some people live for argument. I think the spaces on the side perfectly accent the site and allow for a smooth feel...But hey, that's just me. I don't think you did it to piss anyone off and some people simply will never realize this. I still like it a lot and it grows on me more and more everyday.


    • Dread Pirate Clyde
      September 5, 2008
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      You can't expect everyone to support these changes, especially when they're for mere aesthetic. If it was something that actually improved the site I'd say thanks. This, though? How do two blank strips of color with all of the info squished together improve things and give the site a "smooth feel"? There are a million and one different things that could have been done here, and I don't feel like the best one was chosen. It was tried and tested on SW and several people LEFT the site because they hated the layout. I seriously don't think it's that much to ask that the personal pages be left alone, or at the very least that the members be given the option to keep it the old way or change it if they want.

      Granted, I don't actively pay for an upgraded membership, but I feel like it would be wasted on this site, and I have since the SW split. I really don't think Kevin did it to piss us off, but by brushing off the majority preference for the logo he's shown that he doesn't listen to those that frequent the site, whether they have basic OR upgraded memberships.

      The members--ALL of us--have to look at it everyday, and I don't want to come back if my page is going to be squished and uncustomizable the way I want it to be.


  • Naridill
    September 5, 2008
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    Ergh! Let's just say I hope them months to change come FAST.


  • Aquario.N.Solaris
    September 4, 2008
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    NEW LOOKS ARE AWESOME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


  • Tom The Invader
    September 4, 2008
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    I like the new look.

  • poetrytoopeneyes
    September 4, 2008
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    Oooo!! I love love love the new look!


  • nordicsky silver member
    September 4, 2008
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    We’re all trying to be creative and change and experimentation are part of the creative process, so I offer no criticism.

    Thanks for all your hard work; this is a truly brilliant site.
    Regards, Peter


  • LadyUnique silver member
    September 4, 2008
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    I now have a logo and read menu thanks


  • NeonRose
    September 4, 2008
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    Since all this messing around with the layout, My title, pics, and poem don't line up nicely like they used to. Centering a poem is impossible for me now..the title is always off-center. (sigh)


  • Simply Simple
    September 4, 2008
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    I like the new font in the new logo, but I kind of liked the last raven better. Oh well, other than that the updates are great.


  • Little Miss Mental
    September 4, 2008
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    I also liked the last logo better, the raven looked wonderful...ow it looks really cute. Although I do like the font, very interesting, and the centering idea is cool.


  • Ignis Corpus
    September 4, 2008
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    I'm not really a big fan of the new layout on the front page. maybe you could fix it someone within the next couple months to have a choice of your home page? I don't really like the new logo, it's so childish....


  • FieryHollow
    September 4, 2008
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    Hey Kevin, loving the site. The logo is fantastic, you are amazing at making it look brilliant. Great job


  • Hebz
    September 4, 2008
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    Brilliant

    Well, This's really nice. I was like, "oh, they changed the front page, it looks awesome". & I have voted for that logo before too, So it's just great. & About Centering, it's the most thing i love.

    Thnx for improving the site's look

    Best of luck with the whole site.

    Heba


  • S A Adelmann
    September 4, 2008
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    I am not sure folks understand the difficulty in making a website that looks good in standard and widescreen format at a variety of resolution settings. This looks like a good job - I will have to fire up my laptop to see the widescreen version...

  • S A Adelmann
    September 4, 2008
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    Looks good, Kevin, but if you took that front page photo, I think you should set a good example and find a way to credit it.


  • tragicallyGifted
    September 4, 2008
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    It feels a bit hokey to me. And the bird looks like it was drawn by some first year amateur art student who's used to drawing blobs instead. ><

    Honestly, I think it sucks.


  • barefoot contessa silver member
    September 4, 2008
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    Wasn't their a poll on this? On that same poll, didn't the other choices beat this one?

  • U.g.l.y.
    September 4, 2008
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    And no, I don't like the design... I don't care about the logo, but as I visit this site on a daily basis and all of a sudden I find myself with this, I even wondered if I was somewhere else. Maybe I got too used to the previous design. And about the centering, no comment... although it makes me difficult to find the links again.


  • tricia
    September 4, 2008
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    ^.^

    It's pretty, Kevin! I've been here for over 2 years, and the homepage logo background the prettiest thing I've seen so far. Maybe that should be a background picture for poems?


  • JustSimplyLissa gold member
    September 4, 2008
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    Its Lovely Kevin! Awesome job!
    Just one question? under one of the links, maybe under read? can we get a link to the AP home page? I did not see a link anywhere, and ended up browsing back to get to the home page. ( I'm using IE and there isn't a drop down.. *edited after reading some of the other messages*)


  • Mairi bheag gold member
    September 4, 2008
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    Simple and neat, Uncle K. Suits me. I don't like all the sparkle-farkle, so this set-up will do fine as far as I am concerned.

  • Allyce May gold member
    September 4, 2008
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    It looks quite purrrrdy; HOWEVER, I can't see ANY logo - probably for the best, because if it was some ugly gull/dove/whatever rather than the good old raven I may have to reconsider posting on allpoetry.


  • between slices
    September 4, 2008
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    eh... how bout this logo? :P


    well.. I don't really know what to say.
    For the front page, the new look is fine. But for ALL pages.. er... I'm not sure about it.
    How about an option to turn it off?

    and.. er.. the logo.. it still looks like a dove.
    how about this one? http://arunarao.deviantart.com/art/Poe-s-Raven-91022290


  • Poetdontknowit
    September 4, 2008
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    HMMMMMMMM

    I joined AP in March of 06. I have been a member on many other sites as well, but AP is the one that I spend 99% of my precious time on. But lately, I'm to the point of not even being able to pen. And it's not writers block, it's all this logo buzz block! I am horrible at change, just like the average human. I was blamin it all on being bi-polar, but as I read all of the comments, I think the entire site is bi-polar!! It's all very, very distracting. Oh well, life will go on!
    POETDONTKNOWIT
    WRITING IT HER OWN WAY

  • Starz of Heaven gold member
    September 4, 2008
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    Ok why does the read section drop down on Firefox but not for Internet Explorer I dont like firefox can you please make the read drop down for IE users also


  • Molassis
    September 4, 2008
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    There hasn't been and still isn't a 'logo' on the top of my friggin page and I am sick and tired of having to delete my cookies on my computer because it MESSES WITH ALL THE OTHER SITES THAT I GO TO....

    Good grief... someone had to SEND ME THE LINK TO THE FRONT PAGE AND NOW I CAN'T GET BACK TO IT UNLESS I DELETE MY COOKIES TO ALL MY OTHER SITES...

    I'm sick of it already...

  • BarbedWireButterfly
    September 4, 2008
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    I really dislike the new look. I clicked the link for this site and was just like, ....absolutely disgusting. I appreciate the effort of changing it and stuff but the center align thing just annoys me. The old back ground was easier to look at and this just cramps my screen up. At least the old style may have been a tad plain but with enough room for things to be spaced out.

    Anyway, I personally don't like this new layout. Just my opinion. Would much rather the old one, especially when I refresh this page a lot. And looking at this layout really makes me want to stop visiting as much.

    • Rose Dark Thorn silver member
      September 4, 2008
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      <

      I completely agree with you BarberWireButterfly. Having the sides just plain color is just a complete waste of space and I don't want to have to look at that on my personal pages.


  • SeptemberFaith
    September 4, 2008
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    I dont hate it. But I'm not in love with it either...

  • TheGangstress
    September 4, 2008
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    I don't like it. At all.

    And I don't understand...when you presented all the other designs, it was CLEAR that this was not that most liked. Most people liked the alteration to the old (was then current) design or the one spreading its wings...looking through the comments, most people said they in fact didn't like the design that you put on now. You liked it, but only a small other group did too. So why is it there?

    And I'm not afraid to voice my opinions. Anyone who bashes me for this, go ahead. But we all said we liked the other ones better. And now we're stuck with this one.

    • requiempoet gold member
      September 4, 2008
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      Thank you Beautiful Mistakes, I hope that Kevin takes our criticism seriously. I hate the new design and I think the wide screen is bothersome and quite distracting. The new logo is stupid and childish ( as others have said) the other one was truly poetic, and was like an ode to Poe. I think that we should have the option to change it back to the classic one or this craptastic new technological butt munching one.


      Grrrr it makes me angry.


    • Frodofan silver member
      September 4, 2008
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      Well, Allpoetry isn't a democracy. He may take people's oppinions (which is great) but he has the last word. Think about it, if the site design was decided upon my popular vote... ew! The average person doesn't know the first thing about design. It would end up looking atrocious. Now usability is another thing, but I haven't run into any problems there.

      I really wish people would stop to think about the amount of work that goes into this site.


      • Lost Vampyre Angel
        September 5, 2008
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        i agree with you hun

      • TheGangstress
        September 4, 2008
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        Allpoetry may not be a democracy, but without the members, there wouldn't be a site. A lot of work goes into this site (I do basic web design myself), but it also rakes in a LOT of money through memberships and the store and whatnot. And, like I said, it was clearly obvious that this was not the preferred choice. So, seeing as how the revenue as well as the content of the site comes from the members, I think the members should have more of a say in what the new page looks like, especially since we're the ones who are having to look at it for the next few months, or until it is changed.


      • Seven Kinky
        September 4, 2008
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        AP may not be a democracy, but Kevin owes it to paying members to at least hear out their opinions as it is their money that keeps the site running.

        And just because the average person doesn't know anything about design doesn't mean they're completely blind to what looks good. I mean...come on. Two huge swaths of color with nothing in them? That's useless and a waste of space, not to mention the fact that it totally destroys backgrounds and author's pages that work with the site the way it was before.

        Nobody is against change here, but I think those changes should actually work toward making the site more user friendly, not making it "chic" or what have you. And just because we disagree doesn't mean we don't realize how much work goes into the site. We're all appreciative of what Kevin does; AP wouldn't exist without him, after all. But it's no so much to ask that our opinions are heard and actually taken into consideration. There's no reason to turn AP into a carbon copy clone of SW.

        KEVIN:

        Let me pose a couple of questions to you. Have you noticed how small the patronage is at SW in comparison to AP? While it may be argued that it's because less people write stories, I would also like to point out that the majority of story writers transferred their pieces BACK to AP and stopped frequenting SW after the split and the layout changes, myself and several of my friends included.

        Doesn't that tell you ANYTHING about how the changes were recieved? Sure, some are willing to accept it and don't mind at all, but those of us that make backgrounds and put them to use on AP BECAUSE we like the site layout are completely and utterly screwed the minute you change the entire site to the centered layout.

        Personally, I'm of the opinion that everyone can be semi-satisfied here. It's obvious that you can give the public domain the new layout while leaving author's pages, groups, and poems alone. I wouldn't even mind SO terribly much if it was worked into the poetry pages. Granted, it will screw with custom backgrounds, but as long as author's pages and group pages are left to be customized as the author/owner sees fit I could get over it.

        There's no reason not to take these suggestions and opinions into consideration.

        Edit:

        I, also, don't find the new raven as attractive as the last. It's too...fat...or cartoonish...or something. It really doesn't even look like a raven to me. I see there was a poll on this that was ignored. It really doesn't say much when you allow the members to vote and then completely ignore their input. It's just bad management, imho.

        Why tease us with a front of democracy if you're going to turn it into trumped up totalitarianism? Seems to me you're letting a small group of members (e.g. the ones who support everything you say) run rough shod over the rest of us.

        While I find the raven a small matter in comparison to the entire changing of the site's layout, I do think you should present a little bit of consistency. Either take total control so we know our opinions don't matter, or start trying to compromise so everyone gets a little satisfaction.

        (There ya go hear her breathe )


        • Klayer
          September 5, 2008
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          I totaly agree with you!


        • requiempoet gold member
          September 5, 2008
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          YAAAAAAY!! Thank you!!!


          **Now camps out and sees what Kevin has to say**

        • Rose Dark Thorn silver member
          September 4, 2008
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          I'm in complete agreement with you, Seven Kinky. Your suggestions being carried out would satisfy me, also. You make very good points. Hopefully kevin will actually see fit to acknowledge them and take them into consideration.

      • requiempoet gold member
        September 4, 2008
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        AP shouldn't be a totalitarian run site either, I mean people do pay for a site and they should expect to have SOME of their opinions heard, right? I mean, I hate the new design and it's based off of what story writes current design is correct? I verbalized my distaste to Kevin and it didn't change, so I have since then stopped going to SW. I'm not saying that Kevin doesn't do a great job, because he does...but a little warning and a preview of what he was going to do would have been nice, instead of wham bam in your face.


  • Pamela A Lamppa silver member
    September 4, 2008
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    I like the lettering but the bird is - not quite so appealing. I liked the raven rather than the gull. - it is a gull, right?

    I do hope you will not change our author pages at all. Some of us have taken a long time to develop our look with special graphics which require the right sizing. The borders on the home page are one thing but would really take away from our author's pages and if that same format moves to the poetry pages it will not be at all applealing.

    I am not fond of the layouts on Old poetry or story write for those reasons and don't frequent much because of it.

    Please don't change our pages to look like your front page.

    • Dread Pirate Clyde
      September 4, 2008
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      I thought it looked a bit like a gull too, but I assumed since the logo had always been a raven before it surely hadn't changed. Never can be sure with Kevin running around though.

      • requiempoet gold member
        September 4, 2008
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        Lmao DPC you make me laugh hysterically with another comment!!!!! I wonder if he'll take our criticisms seriously. It's obvious that 1. the people who are commenting and saying it's amazing are brown nosing or they're just brain dead or 2. They really like it and are half blind.

        And the new raven looks like a seagull, a hated bird because they're pointless.


    • Gold Hat
      September 4, 2008
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      I think it is still a raven, thought smaller and more in silhouette.


      • Pamela A Lamppa silver member
        September 4, 2008
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        OK, You may be right.... I will look again and try to ignore the beach background as influence.


  • LadyAmalthea
    September 4, 2008
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    i reaaaally like the new backgroung!! i love the arctic image & the whole centering business. Great job!♥

  • Gold Hat
    September 4, 2008
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    It is subtle and, overall, I like the change.

    The only thing I find strange is that there appears to be no drop-down menu from the "Read" prompt. This means that I seem not to be able to click on, say, a search-author-by-name facility any more. I find that a little frustrating.

  • mcheadle
    September 4, 2008
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    So impressed when I saw this today

    The simplisity is great and a good change- like we have been brought up to date in beauty. Something new to focus on as each day go on..So impressed...mac

    Thos4e who complain were probly a job at potty training. New dry pants no tomake then like they were. Now the feel like I know them.

    When one sees a chain- what does one do? Jerk it - and who is there a bunch of jerls who wjust pulled the chain. The will get over it After all nothing happened when the pulled the chain. haahahhsa!
    Hope tiis helped.. give them a few day to adjust....mac

    • Dread Pirate Clyde
      September 4, 2008
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      That's rather rude. Just because we don't like the new site changes doesn't make us idiots. Respect our opinions and refrain from showing your rear to the public.


      • Rose Dark Thorn silver member
        September 4, 2008
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        Agreed. I am a paying member, and my opinion should matter, seeing as my money goes toward these changes.


  • Little Eagle Greeters member
    September 4, 2008
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    Kari

    I see a Home link where the logo used to be next to the Allpoetry on the author pages. So the Home link should be working. I just checked it. You may want to see if you have that link as well.


    • Kari gold member
      September 4, 2008
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      <

      The logo/nor link is not appearing on my page. It's missing on some others as well. Might just be a glitch


      • Little Eagle Greeters member
        September 4, 2008
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        You say you have

        IE6? Have you tried Firefox, or upgrading your IE. I have IE7 and all is working.

        • JustSimplyLissa gold member
          September 5, 2008
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          No I have IE7. And its my main browser however I do use Firefox. Hmm dunno why it wasn't working yesterday, Seems to be working fine now *shrugs* thanks for the help though Its appreciated.

        • Kari gold member
          September 4, 2008
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          Kevin just fixed the problem. It's all working fine now. Thanks for your help anyway.
          btw I don't have ie7 I used it and hated it.

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