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New feature spotlight: Notify an admin

Many will remember the 'notify an admin' form below most poem pages on the old site, that let you add a ticket about that poem. This is now a link only, in the bottom left corner of the page. It will let you put in details on the following page.

Pictures are a big area where this is now useful -
We're currently swimming in tickets right now, so please be patient

Another change with the site has been that images are no longer automatically reviewed by moderators. Instead, we need you to help let us know when you see an innapropriate image.

What is innapropriate? We're working on a full image guide, but as a general rule:
1) Anything adult that's not an adult poem. Or anything too adult, i.e. below-the-belt nudity.

2) Anything too 'gross', like late-term abortion pictures, etc. The web has a tendancy to get sensationalistic, and we want to avoid letting it drive people away.

3) Anything designed to be offensive to others. We consider this a form of harassment, as it's really just trying to start a fight. Things like wildly anti-christian images, racist themes like klu-klux clan (outside of context showing them as negative), etc.

Thanks for your help with this!

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  • ----michael----
    November 28, 2006
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    No KKK or anti-christianity?

    so no promoting KKK and no over the top slandering of christianity? seems fair, unless of course you research the KKK and discover the undeniable links with Christianity.

    As for images, I once had a pic of some holocaust victims on a post of mine re: the holocaust, it was put into 'adult', fair enough, but a certain favored gold member on here had the very same image on his home page which is supposed to be 'G' rated. Of course the member wasn't asked to remove the pic from his page, oh no, the powers that be decided that the picture was ok after all and removed it from the adult context.

  • Yemassee silver member
    November 27, 2006
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    Cool, now every Tom, Dick and Yahoo gets to be a judge. What's that quote?
    "The best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average voter."
    -Winston Churchill

    Ah well.

  • Balladeer gold member
    November 27, 2006
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    Galfalfa said it all..

    It is certainly much more work to have a posted image removed than intercepting it before it's posted. If it is so blatantly against site, or decency, standards it should receive NO public exposure whatsoever.

    Just my two cents....

  • MariGoes
    November 27, 2006
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    Not really smart

    Sorry to say, but that isn't really a smart move, not to what concerns the MOD's and specially not to the members of this community. If a site allows any child see adult images and read adult contents, then I rather not be a part of it. I have here a 14 years old daughter, thought to open a contest to cheer her up after she lost one of her pets, but how can I be sure of what will appear in that contest? Even not allowing her to open this site as long as this new system (which is very crap by the way) be running. I believe that many parents will feel the same way as I and others who left a comment here feel.

  • Amunet Wolfbane Moderators member
    November 26, 2006
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    I'm going to go out on a limb here. I am a moderator and to be honest, it was much more efficent on our part to approve the images. While we are human and may error, the population of images that were disapproved in general really had no place on the site or anywhere else. Suicide images are loaded like crazy, self harm, cutting. We've had images from bangedup.com repeatedly trying to be loaded (if you've not seen it kevin, you may want to look at that site). Alot of times approving an image alone, has saved us work by allowing us to see writes that should be marked adult that weren't. We've caught things in the children's categories that should not be that way, we've avoided feuds on the site by cathcing a post that was up less than 5 minutes. All through approving images. Of course I will respect your wishes on this, as site owner. But speaking as a moderator and a member of this site since 2002, I feel the image review was an important part of this site. 10 tickets on a rude image is way more time to deal with than one click of review. Just my thoughts here.

    • Maatkara Moderators member
      November 30, 2006
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      100% right, Amunet!

      Absolutely correct, Gypsy! That was the quickest, easiest, and most efficient tool we had to prevent problems and maintain the comfort and security of members on this site.

      Only those who have seen the types of things we caught in time daily can possibly appreciate how essential it is.

      People do not appreciate being put in a position of having to report something disturbing that could have been so simply filtered. Most will probably click on past, leaving it up longer for someone else to get irate or upset enough to 'snitch'.




      • Hekate gold member
        November 26, 2006
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        Maatkara,
        I am in agreement with Gal,Amunet,MargaretG,and you. Sometimes some of these images that I've seen are just awful and if it would have been through the filters it wouldn't have been approved What if a child below 13 sees a horrible image and then could even have nightmares by a image they saw and plus ppl that have struggles and then seeing these pictures and images might cause some issues with them. Kevin I back you up in everything else but this is one thing I do frown on
        Kari

        • Winklings Account gold member
          November 27, 2006
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          From the Winklings

          I cannot think of a fine poet up to the present who has had to resort to crass vulgarity [perhaps apart from 3 or 4 liners of G. Chaucer!] and even images. I agree with MargaretG , Gal, Amunet, Broken Wings fly and you, Gennelle. I have praised Kevin for his consideration, at Winklings Board. But this seems a ghastly loophole for ghastlier things on what I thought was "all poetry". Ron Wiseman [aka Lyndon].

    • kirbysman Moderators member
      November 27, 2006
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      I have to agree

      Sure have to agree with Gypsy and Maat here. It took about 2 or 3 minutes to review 100 images with the old system and there were usually 2 or 3 rejected ones in that group. Lots of cutting, bloody razor blades, dead bodies floating in a bath tub, mutilated war victims, etc. I guess my only thought is, who will be reading these posts, other people who post images like that, or people just browsing who will readily report them?

      Also, are people going to be reporting poets who post copyrighted images. What's the site's liability for being loaded with "stolen" or copyright infringing images? Since mods can't remove those backgrounds, etc., there's going to be huge hassles with poets who post those, and many arguments as well I'm afraid.

      Also, if any of the internet watchdog agencies view those things is there a problem? Perhaps not and perhaps internet sites are not supposed to monitor what's posted there. Not sure how that works.

    • Hekate gold member
      November 26, 2006
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      MM Amunet,
      You said it perfectly to!
      BB,
      Kari

  • galfalfa gold member
    November 26, 2006
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    I can understand the concept of getting the community involved and having a neighbourhood watch type of thing but since you've mentioned the moderators are already swimming in tickets ... isnt this idea just creating more tickets for them?
    Where as when they were being monitored it eliminated a lot of the paperwork/tickets by the mods approving or disapproving them all at once in the image room before they are set loose on the community to stir up complaints.
    It seems to me what took minutes to do before will now turn into some carefree delicate sensitive poet --> being offended like this ...ticketing the page ...a moderator reviews the ticket ...goes to the offending page - warns the user to remove it ...copies and pastes which site policy the image is breaking into the diplomatically composed warning...an argument starts - they wrestle each other to the floor and the mod has to straddle the member and try to make him/her understand ..three more additional tickets on, Why was my image removed???? and five days later all is straightened out

    That's how i see it anyways...

    galfalfa

    • hylian90
      November 26, 2006
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      Harder for now, but...

      Right now the mods are swimming in tickets (I think) because of the new site design and system. Given a bit of time that will slow down, and I think this system will be easier for the mods in the long run. Rather than have to review every picture submitted, they'll only have to review the ones we refer to them.

      As far as members complaining, that will probably happen no matter how the picture gets denied.

      • galfalfa gold member
        November 26, 2006
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        hylian90

        Hiya,

        I'm not knocking the new system , i actually prefer it but speaking as an ex moderator a ticket does create much more work for a mod - the ticket room being a busy place without the added strain an upgrade brings... verses being approved or disapproved in mere minutes without all that extra ticket work

        galfalfa

    • MargaretG silver member
      November 26, 2006
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      Just so.

      Well said, gal.

  • MargaretG silver member
    November 26, 2006
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    Shock

    This innovation reduces the security I feel on this site. I think that if the images are not reviewed, then the adult filter is rendered worthless, also a concern when people can add their own categories.

    I suspect you are trying to reduce the workload of the moderators (all hail!). This may not be the way to do it.

  • Rev Alimae
    November 25, 2006
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    Nit picking.

    Does everyone in this world have to nit-pick now a days????

  • Unca Goat gold member
    November 23, 2006
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    Harassment issues

    I hope that this is not going to be limited to only anti-christian images. There are other religions in the world besides Christianity and all should be given equal respect. And same thing with racial organizations as there are others out there besides the KKK that promote for their own racial values.

    • hylian90
      November 25, 2006
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      Just examples, guys...

      They're just examples. It doesn't necessarily mean that ONLY anti-christian images and ONLY below-the-belt nudity are banned.

      • Unca Goat gold member
        November 25, 2006
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        Understand they are examples

        But it is usually the only things that really draw attention in such a way. Just trying to widen the perspective a bit so that others can realize that there are other things that can be distasteful.
  • Frodofan silver member
    November 23, 2006
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    below the belt nudity?

    Below the belt nudity? So.... people can have giant picture's of a woman's breast on their poem and that's fine?

    God, the more and more I hear from you the dumber this is getting....

    • ----michael----
      November 28, 2006
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      lol, can we clarify that? can we have pictures of big tits Frodo? and where can I find them? lol
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