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Beneath dark waters ["Marshalline Sonnet" form]

“Nine-to-a-line sonnet” aka “Marshalline sonnet”.
ORIGINALLY AN ENTRY TO THE "NEW LONG FORMS CONTEST"
Nine-to-a-line sonnet” aka “Marshalline sonnet”.

ORIGINALLY AN ENTRY TO THE "NEW LONG FORMS CONTEST"
(Gold trophy winner)

I was messing around one day, taking the basic “English sonnet” form, manipulating it to take a falling rhythm, a rhythm that would allow me to extend the range of words that could be used at the end of lines. To do this I simply reduced the number of syllables in each line from ten to nine, arranged iamb-iamb-iamb-amphibrach . The conventional final iambic pentameter of a sonnet means that you have to end each line on a stressed syllable. Using a final amphibrach means that a poet can end on an unstressed syllable, giving the opportunity to end with present and past participles, for example. Have a look at the poem below, and at the stresses in three of the lines, and you will see what I mean:

"I heard, just as the night was falling,
Before the peace of dusk was broken,
My long-dead darling’s spirit calling.
"

...but remember to take that as a light touch, not as a heavily-imposed beat.

I posted my first two poems using this structure on AP [ allpoetry.com/Poem/2207019 allpoetry.com/Poem/2229747 ] and someone congratulated me on “devising a new form”! Actually I hadn’t intended to do any such thing, but I quipped that it was a “Marshalline sonnet”

The previous two I posted are arranged, like English sonnets, in three quatrains and a couplet. The one below, because of the gothic narrative I want to tell, sits better in an octave and sestet, like an Italian sonnet. The rhyming scheme is as per the English, however.


I heard, just as the night was falling,
Before the peace of dusk was broken,
My long-dead darling’s spirit calling;
And though no word to me was spoken,
Nor any loving gesture tendered,
I fell upon my knees before her
And, to her chilly touch surrendered,
Began, with deep sighs, to implore her:

Please bide with me one evening longer;
Though now you are no more than shadow,
The moonlight makes your presence stronger!

She vanished then across the meadow.
Today she’ll come with Neptune’s daughters
To beckon me beneath dark waters…


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  • The time is right!

    I never knew what I was getting into unto I saw yours and maa's work. You have shown me 'standards of excellence' that I can begin to aspire to. I reached poetic enlightenment Monday by doing an Anapestic limerick. Now, at my new level of mediocrity I can see what I have to learn

  • maa gold member
    March 30
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    I thank you for these wondrous verses
    that make my heart jump with amazement
    will maa succeed ? now, she rehearses
    to put together form and content


    you're a genius !

    • Mairi bheag gold member
      March 30
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      And you are easily capable of doing justice to this sub-form.

      • maa gold member
        March 30
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        just wrote one ...

        • Mairi bheag gold member
          March 30
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          I look forward to reading it. That may have to be later, but I am sure I will catch it, because you are on my favourites list.

  • Mairi bheag gold member
    November 13, 2006
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    PK I am grateful for your visit
  • PapaKhep
    November 13, 2006
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    LOVED THIS!

    This is a very good illusionary sonnet. I wish that I could read it more in order to give a deserving comment. But nevertheless, let the nymph go! Though she may tarry in you mind, she is gone!

  • Mairi bheag gold member
    November 12, 2006
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    you may, Melodies, you may!

  • Melodies silver member
    November 12, 2006
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    So finely written and appreciated

    The word that came to my mind to describe this poem is "exquisite." I must post it on Poetry Planet! I shall! Thank you for sharing your fine talent with us, for we are blessed by you.

  • Mairi bheag gold member
    November 9, 2006
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    Thank you.

  • lostcorruptedsoul
    November 9, 2006
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    power.

  • Mairi bheag gold member
    November 9, 2006
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    Hugh, nice recovery! The Monros - a noted "whig" clan during the '45. I am by ancestry not a Gael. I believe my family is distantly related to the fiddler Wlliam Marshall www.celtscot.ed.ac.uk/fiddle/marshall.htm . I am also have a link to the clann Mac Aoigh - the MacKay - (interestingly sometimes called MacHugh ). I am glad you approve of my use of amphibrachs.
    M

  • Mairi bheag gold member
    November 9, 2006
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    F - I'm glad!

  • hugh wyles silver member
    November 9, 2006
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    Dear Mairi,
    Due to your adroit selection of end rhyming words, there is no fear of 'limping' whatever. I admire your boldness and success in using amphibrachs in every line where I, 'chicken', use them only alternately. If it will let me, I'll applaud this poem again. (Which part of Wales are you from? Carmarthen by any chance?)
    Ooops! I see from your Author's page you are, like me (Clan Monro on my mother's side), a Scot.
    With love and hugs, XXX Hugh.
    Edited on Nov 09, 9:20 p.m. because ''.
  • Frodofan silver member
    November 9, 2006
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    I like it!

  • Mairi bheag gold member
    November 9, 2006
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    hugh, believe me if they had started to limp, I would have left off. Some people try to invent new forms, and the result always seems contrived. In this case I was just looking for a little difference, to see if I could get it to work. The crucial thing was to be able to communicate, and to do it in a way that enhanced or complimented the language. I think I got it. What I must avoid doing is flogging it to death. Thanks for dropping by. I appreciated the comments.

  • hugh wyles silver member
    November 9, 2006
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    The use of amphibrachs by Alfred Newman
    was common (if you care to read his doggerel)
    but over-repetition is inhuman
    if every line contains that extra syllable!

    Yet, if employed with reasonable propriety,
    the amphibrach is often quite effective
    for poetry’s essence surely is variety,
    without which, it is dreary and defective.

    The sonnet usually employs dichotomy;
    Iambic being the customary meter
    but, to avoid mere metrical monotony,
    the use of other ‘feet’ makes meter sweeter.

    So amphibrachs and anapaests are fine
    as are dactyls or trochees in any line.
    ~~~
    I have read your three Marshalline sonnets and commend you for
    the skill and dexterity with which they are written. I especially like the inspiration behind this one.
    Applause, admiration and love, Hugh.


  • Mairi bheag gold member
    November 9, 2006
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    RC, it is a big hearted person that can start off a comment with "Personally I don't like it very much" and finish with a "BRAVO" and applause.

  • Mairi bheag gold member
    November 9, 2006
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    Michael, thank you

  • Mairi bheag gold member
    November 9, 2006
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    Wally, I am glad that my small effort made you feel welcome here.
  • Rof Cau
    November 9, 2006
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    BRAVO

    Personally I don't like it very much. Although your poems are good, this form seems to me an easier way of writing a sonnet, like connect the dots. Or worse, American Spelling. Duh, this it too difficult, why can't we just spell it this way...

    But that is my hang-up and I am admittedly the worse off for it. You are to be commended for experimenting and knowing enough about the technicalities of poetry to come up with something viable and practical and applicable.

    For this era at least. For all we know some earlier poet might have stumbled across it and dismissed out of fear of being persecuted or villified.

    In the end you and it are worth a full BRAVO and an applaud and a follower/disciple...
    Edited on Nov 09, 7:39 because ''.
  • Eusebius
    November 9, 2006
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    Very, deftly turned on your lathe of poetry...

  • November 9, 2006
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    Delightful

    Hi
    I am new to this site, and this is the first thing that hit me!
    I love writing with the english sonnet form but it has been getting a bit boring of late. Thank you for giving us all somthing delightfully fresh to work with. I anticipate some good times with you guys in the future.

    Wally
    (African Child)

  • Mairi bheag gold member
    November 8, 2006
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    Shenton, the reason why you have not come across this earlier is that I have only written three poems like this, and until someone suggested to me that I had invented a "new form" (hmmm... may be I have, maybe I haven't!) and suggested that I go in for the New Forms contest, I wasn't making a fuss about it. Sharcu asked me to turn this into a column, and he would syndicate it. Voila! I am glad you like it - please feel free to run with it.
    M

  • Mairi bheag gold member
    November 8, 2006
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    Thanks for your applause and praise, nilav. Much appreciated.

  • Mairi bheag gold member
    November 8, 2006
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    Sonnets are wonderful poems, capricorn. I fell in to writing them, and now I can't escape. Perhaps I need some time off.

  • Mairi bheag gold member
    November 8, 2006
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    Jordi - that is good! If I can do that - even though I am not a great poet myself - then I am glad.

  • Mairi bheag gold member
    November 8, 2006
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    Thanks Wesley.

  • Mairi bheag gold member
    November 8, 2006
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    Hi Spfc - I knew that if someone dug around, they would find a previous poet who had used unstressed syllables at the end of lines in sonnets. That's why it took a little persuading for me to advance this as a "form". Let's face it, all I have done is tinker with an established form for my own purposes. It worked - that's the bonus for me.

  • Mairi bheag gold member
    November 8, 2006
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    Ah... second chances!... never waste them, my friend. Thank you.

  • Mairi bheag gold member
    November 8, 2006
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    Thanks, Robert.

  • Mairi bheag gold member
    November 8, 2006
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    ea, that is a thought. I haven't been on AP for a little while - I am a little dry for poerty and am trying hard to write a children's novel - but I will definitely think about that when I get back here on a regular basis.

  • Shenton
    November 8, 2006
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    Why have I not come across this earlier? I find it brilliant and propose to creep away with pen and paper and see what I can compose.

    Thankyou for the challenge

    Shenton

  • nilav
    November 8, 2006
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    love and longing,moonlight and shadow,spirit and man...all mingled together bringing out a mixture of emotions without losing the technical perfection..wonderfully woven with so few words-you deserve real applause and praise...

  • capricornpoet silver member
    November 8, 2006
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    sonnet of another nature

    Lovely mystic love poem, a haunting ..makes me want to look at sonnets more closely . Always something to pique the mind into something new ..
  • serpentscroll
    November 8, 2006
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    This is a great column Mairi, it will help me with my never-ending quest of learning to be a better poet, thanks!
    -Jordi

  • Wesley Storer
    November 8, 2006
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    It is nice to come across your page.(Since early youth I have
    been so deeply traumatized by
    the evil things men have done,
    that I have been essential brain dead.
    This is why I can never write
    good poetry.) I am pleased to read your
    poem. Wesley Storer

  • Spfc
    November 8, 2006
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    Excellent poem, and it's always good to do your own thing with old forms. However, it is acceptable to end a line of iambic pentameter with an unstressed syllable; Shakespeare's Sonnet 20 ends every line in such a way.
    Edited on Nov 08, 2:02 p.m. because ''.

  • November 8, 2006
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    pure. Love it

    i wanted to cry. tis poem is so beautiful and full of longing at the same time I imagine the happiness of one who gets a secng chance. At least in dreams anyway.

  • Tirrell
    November 8, 2006
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    Transcending beauty

    This form is truly beautiful. No matter how you choose, any thing can be beautiful with this form. well done!
    --Robert

  • ea silver member
    November 8, 2006
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    Super, Marie. Why don't you put up a contest on this next? I would definitely give it a go. Congratulations. ~ ea

  • Mairi bheag gold member
    November 8, 2006
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    Done. Thanks.

  • Sharcu gold member
    November 7, 2006
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    I'll be syndicating this within the next day or so. But please change the title to have the word "Form" in it along with the official name of the form. Example: "Marshalline Sonnet Form" or whatever. This will let people know that the column is about a new form. Thanks
    --Tim

  • Mairi bheag gold member
    November 1, 2006
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    Thank you, Toni, for this glowing praise. I think AP is about as international as I am going to get, though.

  • Toni A Christman
    November 1, 2006
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    Mairi,

    Would that we on AP had the ability to put your work on the international stage! I think it would only remain for us to gaze smugly upon the judges panel while they decided to award you somthing akin to the Nobel Prize for sonnets!

    You do things with sonnets that have made them approachable to me - something I never felt about the form until now. However, in this sonnet I feel you have made it approachable to the many. There is a lilt, a musical quality to it, which I ascribe to the number of allowed syllables and the meter pattern. It has the quality of being something one could not help but admire!

    Wonderful work, Mairi! Thank you for bringing this to the contest!

    Best,
    Toni

  • Mairi bheag gold member
    October 6, 2006
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    ...and entirely by accident, Michael! Many thanks.
  • Eusebius
    October 6, 2006
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    Very deftly handled as only you can do--another sonnet form!

  • Mairi bheag gold member
    October 5, 2006
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    Thanks DP

  • Disturbed Prodigy gold member
    October 5, 2006
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    OH SHIT this is good, i can't even begin to think, cause right now in my head all i hear is oh shit, oh shit, i mena this is good, i can't want to see what else you come up with, keep it flowing this is inventative, good luck in the contest

  • Mairi bheag gold member
    October 4, 2006
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    I hope I won't disappoint.

  • azure85 gold member
    October 4, 2006
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    You have done a wonderful job with it, I really look forward to more of your poems.

  • Mairi bheag gold member
    October 4, 2006
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    Tangle... have you really posted more than six-thousand poems, or is that some kind of glitch? Thanks for visiting, and for liking this wee poem... you utter barm-pot.

    M
    Edited on Oct 04, 1:07 p.m. because ''.

  • Mairi bheag gold member
    October 4, 2006
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    Hi there azure! Thanks - it's fun to play.

  • Mairi bheag gold member
    October 4, 2006
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    Poe, I think that is the first time anyone has ever reacted to one of my poems with "Holy Crap"!

  • intanglio2ring gold member
    October 4, 2006
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    Dear Mairi,
    Your inventive talents are breathtaking!
    Congrats on your accomplishment & for a magical poem!
    Your barm-pot,
    Tangle

  • azure85 gold member
    October 4, 2006
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    Very nice sonnet-I prefer the other syllabic count also. It sometimes just fits the mood and words you use within your sonnet. I bounce back and forth with 9, 10, or 11 counts, depending on my mood.

    You have done well with the end rhymes. And your poem end so well,

    Today she’ll come with Neptune’s daughters
    To beckon me beneath dark waters…

    The dark depths of the sea,
    And things that should or should not be,
    Call ou their lonesome call for me....

    That's what I get for writing this in Period 6 class!

    Good luck in thecontest,

    Moonshine Pixie


  • LAPoe silver member
    October 4, 2006
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    Mairi, do you ever just sit and think for a second...
    Wow, I'm Great at this!! because you are.. So impressed am
    I with this I had to look up fresh words in the dictionary just
    to give you a new comment... "I am prodigiously impressed by
    your gargantuan talent"
    You invoke the spirit of longing, the death of life but
    not love...and every word written is like you breathing life
    back into a stilled heart.
    Holy Crap!! how you do amaze me... lapoe.

  • Mairi bheag gold member
    October 4, 2006
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    Why thank you, Mage

  • Abdul T Alishtari
    October 4, 2006
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    She and you as two fine water sprites
    have invented something new and bright.

    AT
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