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Engineering Poetry - II

"Poetry requires the knowledge of Mathematics and Literature combined with a unique inspiration. The absence of one leads to an incomplete poem" -- Archana Jayaseelan



Yes. Poetry is a measured pattern of rhythmic accents in a line of verse.



How does this counting help ? How good is a measured line compared to a continuous long verse ?

It does make a lot of difference.

But before we proceed in this context, lets make the readers familiar with a few terms.

SYLLABLE :

A word can be divided into UNITS. Each of these units will produce a sound, when they are pronounced.
While pronouncing, these units can be said without interruption.

These UNITS are called as SYLLABLES.

A syllable always contains a vowel sound, and most syllables have consonants associated with the vowel.

Example :

syl-la-bles
po-etry
Eng-lish
per-so-ni-fi-cation

Depending upon the number of units (Syllables), they are divided into, they are termed.

Suppose a particular word is divided into 'n' number of units, then the word is said to contain 'n' syllables or it is termed as a 'n-syllabled' word.

rasp-be-rry : 3 syllables
stars : Mono syllabled word or 1 syllable
pam-per : 2 syllabled word.

Hope this is clear now.

English syllables are two kinds.

Accented or Stressed
: A syllable that is stressed in pronunciation is called an accented syllable

When a greater amount of force is used to pronounce one syllable over another, it is called Stress)

Unaccented or Unstressed : These kind of syllables requires not much of force while pronouncing.




METER :

A measured pattern of rhythmic accents in a line of verse.

In most poems, the lines are written according to patterns of rhythm. Poetic meter is the measure of a line of poetry. It is rhythm that can be measured in poems.

In other words, to be more plain, it is the arrangement of a line of poetry by the number of syllables and the rhythm of syllables.

The smallest of these metrical units is the 'syllable'.
After the syllable, the next largest metrical unit is the 'foot', which is group of two or more syllables.

The next largest metrical unit is the 'line'. A line is the regular succession of feet, and, though it is not necessarily a sentence, it customarily begins with a capital letter. The number of feet in a line of verse determines the measure or meter.


Now, it should make sense. So break the lines with regard to syllables.
Consider this poem..

A violet by a mossy stone
Half hidden from the eye
Fair as a star, when only one
Is shining in the sky.. ----- William Wordsworth.



Not necessary that all syllables should count up to the same, unless you aim in writing so. How well this verse reads, when recited aloud !

A violet by a mossy stone half hidden
From the eye, fair as a star
When only one is shining in the sky..


Read the above verse. The words are the same, but the breaks and pauses matter a lot. Give some breathing space, when and where you feel it is required. So its all simple arithmetic. Know the calculation and you win.


Until we meet again for the next lesson Of Engineering Poetry, wish you all Happy Writing


Poetry is plucking at the heartstrings, and making music with them. ~ Dennis Gabor



To remind again, Poetry has a lot and lot more. What we are discussing are mere aspects, one among the several. Poetry is like a vast ocean, we are just getting familiar with the shells.


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  • waydownuponjoy
    September 20, 2007
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    and on I go ...

    a good step in the right direction! I do have concerns with pronunciations and syllable count and perhaps you would address cultural differences. For instance, I would pronounce "violet" as if two syllables even though it is three! How does this interplay when one is writing form poetry where syllable count is critical? In the south my name is one syllable "Joy" but to hear it spoken by locals it counts out to two ... "Jo-ey". I would love to read your opinion on this matter of the written word verses the spoken one! joy


  • brushfire
    June 22, 2007
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    Your columns are great! I enjoy them a lot. While I'm not concerned in the utmost with the technical aspect of poetry, having the knowledge as a reference to fall back in is a good thing, and a refresher every now and then is certainly beneficial!

    One thing- I do believe the proper term is "monosyllabic", as opposed to "mono syllabled". One would from there say "two-syllable", as in my opinion "two syllabled" sounds awkward and I have personally never seen a word termed as such. Then, "three-syllable" word and so on. A catch-all term for any word longer than three syllables, of course, would be "polysyllabic".

    Again, major kudos on a superb column! Every writer needs to know this information, whether they are concerned with iambs and trochaes or not!


  • grannyeri gold member
    October 19, 2006
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    Again, an easy way of explaining this to experienced and new poets alike. Great that you do this. Much appreciated.


  • sanmdr
    July 31, 2006
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    when talking about stressed syllables... by saying... "When a greater amount of force is used to pronounce one syllable over another, it is called Stress" ...
    do you mean the same syllable could be called as stressed or unstressed depending upon its adjacent syllable... ?


  • brodie25
    July 26, 2006
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    interesting look-see at english

    interesting to look at the mechanics of creating a poem -- right down to the bare guts of meter, thank you for the long and short of feet and lines anyhow, love how you summed it up to the importance of breathing space in a poem. i think that is so useful for any amount of drama. write onwards

    cheers
    phil


  • TallDrinkofWater
    June 21, 2006
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    Must read

    excellent information Ras ber ry THe AMerican pronuciation LOL I agree with every thing you said. Although I don't count I do try and find RYthem in my ryme and find Rythem to be more important. Controling the flow allows a person to read the poem the way you wrote it instide of how they want to read it. A breath a comma a period but most importantly a thought on one line. help the poem to sound and feel almost musical. Thank you very much for your information this should help everyone


  • Tecolote
    June 20, 2006
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    mmmmmmmmmm...food for thought most definitely, but what strikes me more (being a civil engineer) is to think that actually some forms of poetry can indeed be 'engineered' ...i would think that there are actually two main trends possible within the written means of expression, just like the two main streams of graphic art...for instance, you have realism and you have abstract...both cannot be compared, and most trends lie somewhere in between these two, yet one evokes the full aplication of technique, of standards, of certain craft and design that to some may strike as heartless and too artificial, yet correctly apply they DO add up to help create a breathtaking piece of art, and you have abstract, where no rules, no plans, no preconceived notions or patterns are followed, simply a stream of constant colors, brush strokes, spatule-work or whatever the painter feels they want...so it doesnt surprise me that poetry can be also made up of these both sides of both metered and freeverse, of rhyme and prose, of brains and hearts after all...our concious and unconcious sides expoded...wonderful essay


  • teenagefailure
    June 20, 2006
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    Amazing this is very very good!!! i never though of it that way


  • cherche -d -ame
    June 20, 2006
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    a very interesting and informative write. However the word mathematics in poetry seems to strike me as so unpoetic I would prefer to think of it as rhythm
    zozozo
    reenie


  • Room without doors gold member
    June 20, 2006
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    Excellent

    This is interesting and should help people. Poetry is 3 syllables though po e try - so I would count this as 3 when writing. Wordsworth was unusual as he would count 2 syllables as 1 quite often e.g. flower he would count as one. I generally think sound of the word as you pronounce it is the best guide. I have now checked this and in American poetry is 2 syllables in English it is 3
    Edited on Jun 23, 2:20 p.m. because 'Clarity'.


  • raspberry Greeters member
    June 20, 2006
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    Thankyou for the comment Charishma. I appreciate your suggestions.


  • Sai Babas Lotus
    June 20, 2006
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    Enlightening work!

    My dear friend,

    Applause to you for the second lesson of Engineering Poetry! You have proved very well through this column/lesson the importance of Math and Literature to write a good poem. Those who disagree have probably not yet swam in the ocean of form poetry, or perchance, they have just swam in the shallow, and not touched the depth because for someone who goes even mid-way between the shallow sea and deep ocean of poetry, he or she will very well nod and agree with you on the importance of counting syllables, incorporating meter, probably using rhyme also and ofcourse, researching plenty to write on whatever he/she chooses to. There are so many factors that go into making a poem have that 'WOW effect'. It needs dedication and tonnes of hard work to write well. I am talking from some experience and not just out of a hat. I can see the difference for myself in my poetry what it is today and where it was 3 years back when I didn't know about the technical aspects of poetry. Definitely, today I am more confident when I pick up the pen to write a poem, all thanks to developing the habit of counting syllables, working hard on imagery and other things.
    If I may suggest, you can add the site www.dictionary.com in this lesson where you explain about syllables so that beginner poets can refer onto that site when they need help counting syllables. It was a Herculean help to me when I started
    Also, I feel that you can include an example or two of unstressed and stresses syllables, maybe using the same words -raspberry, stars and pamper. Examples make learning so much easier especially for the beginner poets. I was just thinking and applying this lesson to my nickname - CHINU. 'Chi' is the stressed syllable and 'Nu' the unstressed. Since there are 2 syllables in Chinu, it is 1 foot. You know, I had no idea how long one foot is in poetry Thank you for teaching me this.
    I can now understand this sentence very well - "The number of feet in a line of verse determines the measure or meter".

    I loved the beauty in the poem example of the violet. So beautiful and I can see and appreciate the work of counting syllables in L2 and L4 both coming to 6 each. Also, L1 and L3 have a difference of just 1 syllable. I like the similie in L3. You are so right about the breaks and pauses.

    I have saved a copy of this in my file for future reference. Thank you for enlightening the world with the stroke of your pen.

    Best wishes always,
    Charishma


  • raspberry Greeters member
    June 20, 2006
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    2/ 3 ? i infact asked many here on this site and confirmed it was 3 before I could post it here.


  • Raazi
    June 20, 2006
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    po-etry
    This could have 2/3 syllables depending on the pronounciation. What do you think?


  • raspberry Greeters member
    June 20, 2006
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    Hi.. I appreciate your comment. The font color has nothing to do with my name here on Allpoetry. I felt it is pleasant, Pink or Violet on cream.. Good day..


  • raspberry Greeters member
    June 20, 2006
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    I guess I made it Very Clear, that poetry is like a vast ocean and I am merely show casing the shells. Ofcourse, Poetry has a lot more.


  • raspberry Greeters member
    June 19, 2006
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    Hi Rose, I guess I made it clear, that poetry is like a vast ocean and I am merely show casing the shells. Ofcourse, Poetry has a lot more. Even free verse makes a lovely poem, provided the poet gives breaks and pauses, when he feels necessary. Otherwise it would become prose Good Day.


  • dustookie2
    June 19, 2006
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    it ia about self improvement

    after reading this i am reminded of a good singer who does not know how to use a microphone what can be a brilliant voice full of passion and feeling for the words being sung can at times fall flat if the microphone work lets the song and singer down. Poetry is the same brilliant words full of passion, understanding or just making the world more aware can be lost without the finer points of technique and learning is what it is all about. To be able to make it simple and educational is not easy AP has so many talented authors who give so much and from their experience we can learn or expand our own shortcomings. The main point is self learning to move forwards into words of poetry. i for one really appreciate your work thank you ....


  • ebaby
    June 19, 2006
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    this is what I love about All Poetry......... its all good!


  • La Luna Rosa
    June 19, 2006
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    per-so-ni-fi-ca-tion
    and, as someone has pointed out
    po-et-ry

    It makes sense once spoken aloud. As for the rest, I couldn't agree with you more. Many simply write prose and call it free verse. Even free verse has rules, otherwise it wouldn't be poetry. Well done.

  • swordtail
    June 19, 2006
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    i beg to differ,,, in poetry....
    PO-E-TRY
    in the absence of a vowel, "y" is considered one


  • The Chameleon
    June 19, 2006
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    Nice Job

    I like this column. It was well written. Very informative for the people that are poets or just regular joe's. It's hard sometimes to make things simple when doing an explanatory piece of literature. You were able to simplify it which is good. I guess you choose the color you did because like your name says you are a raspberry which is red. Anyways, thanks for writing the column gives me another perspective on how to do poetry.


  • heartnsoul
    June 19, 2006
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    well done!!

    Let me start out by saying you should really be using black on the text color. While I'm sure there is a correlation to your name and text color (clever by the way) it doesn't work here. This text color is honestly difficult to read. You've put so much time and effort into your colum, keep the reader here. You've KISS'ed your column which that and of itself says much about the love you have for poetry. Many go brain dead when reading technical material as it is. Myself included when it comes to reading certain material. You've captured an audience, you've made your material easy to follow,don't lose your reader because the color is a strain on the eyes.
    For some of us, syllable count and meter comes naturally when we write. We don't even realize it and/or realize that there is a technical name for what we are doing (for those of us without formal literary education, myself included). It's like a musical instrument, some of us are self taught and play by ear. We write for the love of writing and that is all we know or need to know. Every form of poetry is challenging. The trick is to make that form seem as natural as breathing. One can be off on the syllable count by one syllable and it can go undetected even by the most seasoned eye. If, I repeat if, the right word has been chosen and rolls off the tongue in a delightful manner. It could be as simple as making a monosyllable word plural. That "s" can make all the difference. eg: make/makes, that "s" adds a softness that can move into the next word with ease.
    There are a few things every poet/writer should know. First, there isn't a master poet/writer/artist alive who didn't/doesn't have really bad work. Work that they would rather not have shared with the world at large.We all started somewhere. We all have our humble beginings. We all have a flop.
    Some poetry reads better in the head than outloud. But one should assume that it will someday be read outloud. Read your work outloud, listen to the voice you give it. It should flow, have beat, that when said aloud your voice is the music, your words the lyrics. Other's seem to come alive when read outloud. Form is a matter of taste or preferrence for that which comes easier to us. That by all means doesn't make one better than the other.
    The author isn't saying you have to do this, what the author is saying to consider this when you write. And to all who reads if you were to look at your writing like sheet music, she makes perfect sense.
    Your meter/rhyme/syllable count is the measured beat. Your words are the lyrics, your voice is the music. Whether or not your music is for the audience's listening pleasure or to dance to is your choice. The author is helping to give it voice. It would be a wise choice for beginers or those who have troubled spots to print this out. As it makes a worthy referrence guide. Who knows you just might be coming back one day to tell rasberry thank you. She made a difference. Really when you think about it. Is't that one of the things we strive for in our poetry? To make a difference, to make our mark in the world?
    ~Michelle~


  • Poet of Dreams
    June 19, 2006
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    i have to disagree. to me, poetry is not about just ryhme and meter, its not about adding up your syllables and counting your patterns. poetry is about passion, about love hate light and darkenss, about taking how you feel and making it flow.i feel that people who put too much thought into their poems find their poems dry and stale, not stiring with that spirit of the emotion of the poem. mathmeticians are one people and poets are another. no offence intended, i just disagree


  • SexyAngel0418
    June 19, 2006
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    This is awesome dear cousin!!! You did a great job on this!!! Keep up the great work!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1

    Hugs,
    Beth

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