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The preceding series of numbers represents the approximate size of a 100 character comment. There are exactly 100 numerals included. The spaces are included to give it a more realistic comment type appearance.
Some of you may be scratching your head and saying, "What's the point?" The rest of you are pointing and laughing because this post is incredibly predictable.
I have been a member of the AllPoetry community for nine months now. During that time, I have seen numerous complaints, concerns, moaning, weeping and gnashing of teeth over the required length of comments for comment credit, bronze posting requirements and points. I have seen 800 character posts on the forums complaining about the 100 character requirement and have seen multiples of folks copy and paste an author's work into their comment with only 2 original words like, "Good Poem." I see people copy and paste their own comments over and over again in different author's comments, etc., all in the name of overcoming the dreaded 100 character comment burden.
Come on guys! We are poets, writers, and creative spirits even amidst the most mundane of situations. We write volumes upon volumes of words, yet we scream in protest over a requirement to come up with one or two lines. We go to incredible extremes trying to beat the system and get around a requirement to comment. Tell us we have to type a measly 100 characters to get a point and worse yet, multiply it by four to make a poem post on a free account and we are up in arms as if our heads are void of any creative thought process.
My first six months on the site was spent as a free bronze member. Only twice in that six months did I ever receive the error message informing me that I must leave four comments in order to post another poem. These were both days that I was entering 3 line poetry contests that allowed multiples of entries. My solution was simple. Comment on fellow contestants in the same contests. Keep in mind that there are many, many days I have posted more than 2 poems on the site. My muse dances madly on some days and rests up on others.
I originally came to this site seeking somewhere on-line to post poetry and other writing to just see how it was received. I was fully expecting to be limited to forum type postings or blogs that basically get no exposure without the benefit of a bunch of dollars. Now, I didn't have any dollars, so when I read the requirements for posting on AllPoetry FOR FREE, I was quite excited.
Initially, I had no idea how 100 characters appeared in text so it did concern me a bit. I typed out the series of numbers you see at the top of this write and saw immediately how unfounded my concerns were. It is my hope that others will achieve the same clarity and realize that there is no point in working ourselves to death trying to get around it. In my opinion, the site owner has done an incredible job making a home in public for all of us to feed our creative flame regardless of our financial condition.
As a result, I am watching my poetry grow and I am having tons of fun with an on-line community that, even amid differences of opinion, share a common interest. I spent a lifetime trying to be a poet in the midst of closed minded haters of anything more than brick, mortar and money. AllPoetry has allowed me to escape the prison of those that kill the dreams of the common man. All it asked of me in return was to become part of the community and show other poets the same interest I would like to receive from them.
With all that said in many more words than necessary, I urge each and every one of you bronze members out there to stop allowing yourself to be hampered by your fear and loathing of 100 little characters. The more you comment, the larger your reading audience will become and the more poetry you can post at a time. Don't waste your creative talent figuring out when the posting day is done and the new one begins. Don't squander your opportunity to dance with your muse while complaining about the requirements.
Your writing future is in your hands. You have the power at your fingertips to make your dreams come true. So get busy.If you see mistakes, please point them out. All critical comments will be given consideration.
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Thanks for sharing this column, it is well written and makes a good point. I agree that 100 characters isn't big deal... In fact you can as well say very little with that. Besides, I often get annoyed by comments that clearly only want points, because I wonder if they've actually even read the poem... I actually got a... I think it was a 700 character comment... which said I LOVE IT I LOVE IT etc for about 6 lines.. then it had spaces...
I think those comments are rather spam. But I used to be a free member... was one for quite a while and I can point out the bad part in that rule, the part that makes me adore my silver membership: I write very often, and many times I write more than two poems per day. And I want to post them. It also happens that I often write directly into the AP form. So imagine my frustration when I had inspiration and would get an error message saying I needed to post 3 comments before writing my poem, since I would need to write in NotePad. So I assume I wouldn't be the only one. I think the rule about the 100 characters counting as a critique is good, but even now, I still don't really agree that they should make free members comment... But it really is great that we can have AP for free. Now sorry for the long comment saying nothing, lol
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Thank you for posting this informative column, I have tried other poet sites but I always come back to AP, it's the best poetry site in my opinion. I write here for my enjoyment so I don't click the "A critical review is invited." because I'm happy with friends and visitors just reading my poem, sometime I can find a lot to say about a friends poem and other times if I don't understand what they're saying I leave at least one or two lines. I have had up to 5.000 points from winning contests and commenting, but I give them to my friends if they need them-sidewinder will verify that because he's one of my friends I help, along with others, I have given up to 2.000 to one poet to help him out as he's a very ill man and hasn't the strength to comment and when he wants to run a contest I help him out, that is the pleasure I get from my points, knowing that I help other poets. But to complain about writing only 100 characters, no, it's not much to ask for. Please poets, this is a great site, just write your poems, comment and enjoy it. at least on here you can find friends, whereas on other poetry sites I feel as though I'm in a big room on my own and I feel very lonely, whereas on here I have a lot of wonderful friends. I'm so glad you posted this column and I hope a lot of poets took notice of it.
Joan. These points I earned will be returned by commenting on one of Thistles comments.
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Well said, Alisia and I couldn't agree more with your last statement. "Let's forget about 'getting rich' (what are points, anyway?), and get back to being friends and helping eachother grow as poets."
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So that's why people copy and paste half a poem (or more) in their comments! Funny, I just read a comment like that not long ago-- practically the entire poem copied, and a wimpy "Great poem... I LIKED" at the end. It seemed really tacky. I wondered what the point was. (No pun intended)
This is humorous and well written. You bring up the things you want to address in a friendly, conversational style, and still make your point well. It seems to me that the purpose of critiques is to express your response to and critique the work, as one poet to another; and as poets, we would do it for free; the points we may get from AP are simply a bonus for being here and interacting.
I never realised people complained about the length requirement for comments. I have myself felt point-hungry at times, but I am grateful to say I have never succumbed. I know points are nice to have, and you need them sometimes (like money), but they can't be the focus. I agree: Let's forget about 'getting rich' (what are points, anyway?), and get back to being friends and helping eachother grow as poets.
Thanks again for this column. Keep on writing.
Alisia
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A point well made
Thank you for helping me to understand all this. I had not realised it was such an issue. I joined last week and am still finding my feet as it were however I am finding my way. Appreciate if you could help me understand cut off date for applauds- they seem to go into a last week box- -
Thank you dear sister Mairi, for your support and your input on my "two bobs-worth". You always seem to know just what to say - and so succinctly!
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I can't say that I knew that there was such an issue with the word limit. I never pay attention to the word limit, anyway; I write until I can't say anything else about the poem (or a comment I'm commenting on, as it were) and then I post it. If I get points, cool, but I'm not heart broken if I don't.
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Very well written, and it brings about a good point. Many people (especially those with free memberships, like myself), have no right to complain when asked to comment. It's not hard to be thoughtful to someone's work that they took the time and effort to write.
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About time someone did!
I am a bronze member. I don't know if I will ever have the financial ability to afford a silver or gold membership, but I am perfectly content with my bronze status. The 100 character requirement isn't much and can easily be done by commenting on poems - and if you use the shameless promotion box, you can even get comments on your own work in return for the required 100 characters. Easy points and an easy way to be able to post more poems.
A bit more advice: If you don't feel you have enough to say about a poem, simply leave the shortened comment and go on to another that you feel you can leave more of a critique on.
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Very nicely said. At times I am one gulity of comments that fall far short of what the poet would mahybe like, but I just feeel like I have little to offer them in the form of real constructive ideas. I either like a poem, or I do not... and often I cannot put my finger on the difference, I just know it when I feel it. Anyhow, intelligent and thought-provoking write. I am glad I read it. ~Jim
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*gives a thumbs up*
I've gotten the warning a couple times because some days I do nothing but comment and others I do nothing but write. I've never complained about it though and I always get annoyed when people do.
However, you will always get people who complain and who wish simply to amass points at whatever cost to the site.
*shrugs*
I say let 'em do the former all they like but if I catch them trying to do the latter on one of *my* poems, I get pretty mean.
I will stop rambling now since I'm not quite sure I make sense.
have fun.
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More folks need to read this!
Thank you for sharing this excellent information. This poetry site, like the world has many different kinds of poeple that post, as well as the many different personalities that come with them. I have ventured to add critical comments when they were solicited and got "shot down" with return comments that more or less stated that "who was I to comment as such". Then this same folks would not even respond to my return comment back and indeed, never look in on my poetry again. All I could think about all of this is "Oh well, you lose"! As for my own poetry, it's seems that "critical comments" are not really left even though solicited, and I find it hard to believe that I couldn't use some good input. I've been thinking that it would be nice to find a site where people that don't write poetry but enjoy reading look in ... for to be a poet's poet is quite competitive and I find that comments are not left when they are in the same contest as you, possibly for fear that it might lower their rating for earning a "trophy" either that or I'm just not an appreciated poet. Competing with "groups" of people who support each other, even in contests is discouraging and yet again, I have to say, "Oh well, and keep on doing what salves my soul anyway. I try to read and comment when I'm moved to do so! Again, like trying to change the world the best we can do is just keep on doing what "we would like done to us!" The golden rule never grows old! joy
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Hi, Redstormy. Your point on assumption is well received. The short copy and paste of a small portion of a poem is not what I meant to imply, though. My reference to copy and paste of another poets work for points was intended to only reflect those instances when someone copies a huge chunk of the work that they are commenting on, with the token, "great job" comment being the only original wording of the entire comment. I mean, if a person posts a comment that earns them 7 points, but the entire comment is simply a copy of what the author wrote in the first place, the author basically earned the commenters points for them.
I am certainly not alluding to the comment that has us copy and pasting a small portion of the piece while leaving at least 100 characters of original wording on the commenters part. Sometimes it is impossible to make suggestions without repeating the authors words, for clarity sake. And taking a small section of the work to compliment your favorite portion of a piece, while leaving a thoughtful comment is certainly appropriate.
The circumstance that I am referring to is actually a violation of site policy. What you were referring to is NOT a violation.
I am curious as to why it came across that way. I find that if something is misinterpreted by one reader, it is probably reading the same to many. So if you have any suggestions that would help communicate the the instance that I am referring to in a more universally clear cut manner, I would certainly appreciate your take on it.
Thanks so much for taking the time to read and comment.
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Lol, it took me a while to find the line you referred to. Not enough coffee yet .
I can see how it could appear that didn't was intended, but it wasn't. Initially, as a new member to the site, the number 100 seemed really big. So, yes, when I saw the 100 character requirement for comment credit and realized that computed to 400 characters per post after the 2nd post, I thought I was going to be limited to 2 post a day.
Ha!! I actually thought I might have a hard time coming up with 100 characters. I have been a motor mouth most of my life with the exception of shyness in some public situations. Yet there I was wonderring if I was going to be able to think of enough stuff to say
At any rate, I typed out the number sequence at the top of the article because it could easily be done in sets of 10 and so that I could see approximately how long the comments would look. It made it much less intimidating and of course, now I am talking and I can't shut up.
Thanks for pointing that out though. That tells me that, even though it might have just been how the readers mind was working at the moment of reading, I should take a look at that section and see if I can make myself a little clearer.
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I really don't understand why people complain. If you read something that you like, then why not let people and the writer especially, know. If you really liked it enough to comment on it, then give people the courtesy of good and thoughtful comments. But if you didn't like it enough to give a good comment, then don't bother commenting at all. I'll admit there have been days when I have gone to look at other peoples works just so I could post more poetry....like Thistle, my muse dances madly on some days and on others not so much. But I see it as important that we as writers who are posting on an online site give each other the courtesy of encouragement and critical comments. It's always good to know that others are out there reading your work and praising it. It helps. At least, i find that to be true for myself. A very good point Thistle...thanks for pointing it out to the community.
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Yeah good point, it's funny how people do that I have never really realised before that people are cutting and pasting to get points, if they don't have much to say, then they should leave it until a poem strikes them, that they really are intrerested in.
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I have no problem with being asked to comment on other people's poetry. If I feel like writing two words I write two words - it lets them know they are being read. If I feel like posting a long comment, I post a long comment - it lets them know their poem is being appreciated. I have no problem with giving or receiving praise, or giving or receiving challenges - I defend robustly and expect my own challenges to be met, and I enjoy basking in the praise (who doesn't?). I have no problem with someone quoting a few lines of my poem - I do so myself, if it is to make a point about something (and I mean make a point, not get a point!). I guess I am more-or-less where the rest of you are. A bouquet to my sister Toots for her two-bobsworth.
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Very well said !
Well, I agree 1000% with all that you have said above. We are indeed gifted and talented human beings with the power to create and when we have so much power, how can we fall short of writing a few lines in response to what we have just read? Isn't that quite ironical? I have to admit I love the pattern you chose for the numbers and how beautifully you wrote this. Many a times in the 1 1/2 years that I have spent on AP, have I seen poets who copy lines from the poem and add just a line or two saying, good job or it was not to my taste but good work anyways. Usually, this happens to poems posted in the 'Featured box'. You know, there are some poems which just come out of my heart, there are others like my Pantoum form poems for which I spend considerable time researching, finding facts and then making notes on 35-40 sheets of paper, then from there, I pick out bits and pieces that are very essential and 'create a poem'. Now that is real hard work and it takes me around 2 weeks if not more. So with all that effort going in, what does a poet want in return? A poet wants that people should read his poem and genuinely give him good or bad or critical feedback. It should be justice to his efforts. I appreciate all those poets who have read my longer form poems and given me very good feeback. I bless them from the bottom of my heart because they make my soul feel fulfilled to a huge extent. They make me feel that I am worth it. I must write more and I love that. False praises are not what are required, but genuine compliments I always welcome with open arms. What I am trying to say is that do to others as you would like done to yourself. If you want to receive good feedback much more than 2 lines, then give it. There is a law of the universe - what you want, give! I would also like to suggest my fellow poets to take up the various poetry classes that are offered on AP. They make you grow as a writer and teach you a lot which will in turn help you critique another poet's and your own poetry much better. I have grown tremendously as a poet on this site and I am and will forever be grateful for the same. I also agree on the financial condition aspect. All of us cannot afford to buy silver and gold memberships. Those who buy it for others are indeed very kind spirits. I am not saying that we are to take advantage of them but we must be thankful for their help, for their kindness. Kevin indeed has created a beautiful heaven for all of us here to write, to share our knowledge, to grow and to let and help others grow. He is a great guy and I'm sure receives many blessings from each of us for his good heartedness and this site. I think this is an incredible write and I support you. You have my applause. Good luck and God bless.
Charishma
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I don't like when someone assumes. You assume that if we chose a stanza which stands out for us that we do this for points. I don't do it often but sometimes I want to show the poet which stanza in particular was wonderfully written or resinates with me. Other than that your article is fine and I totally agree.
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Great stuff written here. How true it is, that as poets and writers of millions of words, we should be able to write a 100 character comment with a breeze. I don't have any problems with the 100 character comments.
One thing though: In the fourth stanza from the bottom, the one that starts with initially, should "so it did concern me a bit" read 'didn't'?
Take care,
DancingRed.
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I agree totally. And what's more, few posters seem to understand the meaning of "critical review". I love to hear all about how much someone likes my poetry and how it reminds them of home and being a child and their last divorce and how their Mother loves them, etc, etc....all that's good - but just simply wonderful COMMENTS.
I'd much rather read a review that is honest and forthright (and I don't mean meanspirited). In fact, I have never posted a poem and didn't request a review - because why??? Because that is one of the reasons I came here in the first place. Because I could find out something about my writing other than my very narrow opinion. How does anyone expect to publish their work if they keep it all to themselves and have zero non-partisan input until they mail it to a probably disinterested publisher who won't even send it back without an SASE?
If my particular friends on this site (and there are a few already) wish to defer the critique once in awhile, that's not much of a problem as I talk to them at other times and places and I KNOW what they think of my writing. But when a total stranger reads my poetry over and over and doesn't become interested in talking to me individually, then what would be the problem with just a small remark about meter, rhyme, flow, free vs structured verse, etc? Isn't this how it is supposed to work?
Oddly enough, I am not really angry; just dissapointed. I will say this in favor of the people who host contests and some of the oldtimers on AP - they generally do come up with something more constructive than, "Bully good job there!" I will admit that some of the other new posters here do make a critique. But, for the most part - it remains "Bully good job there!" What in the world could we do to discourage that? Anyone can see that there is no need to be totally short on words - my grief - we spout them in huge quantities all day and night long in the hopes of trophies and point prizes!
Thank you for this very necessary and informative post. I support you 100%. And having said all of that - My critical review, which you requested,is this:
"I think you have an excellent way with words in this format. It seems that prose written about sensitive subjects is difficult to make acceptable to a large group of readers without running the risk of being either haughty or too funny. I appreciate that you have been able to accomplish your column with a modicum of each and that you have written a piece that gives pertinent information to new and old members alike. Thank you for your hard work."
See? More than 100 words on the critique and no "you oughta" language. Now how hard was that? -
goodwork...
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I agree, to a point. Even when I get a somewhat formulaic response to one of my pieces, I do feel glad that at least it's being read.
Though I do agree that it is nice to get really in-depth comments.
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I find that leaving a 100 character comment really isnt all that hard. Just leaving a short description of how the poem makes you feel and the flow and rhythem of a piece pretty much will cover any 100 character count.
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i am beyond shocked that people who claim to be writers have complained about a character count minimum...it's pathetic really.
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BRAVO!!!!!!
I laugh every time I see a complaint asking why their “Good Job” comment doesn’t count towards them earning any points. I mean, heck, “good job” tells me oodles of ways to improve my work.
I love how you used the example of them using exasperating lengths of a comment to express that they refuse to understand how it is possible for them to be able to type so many characters to earn those points. Oh man, what a riot!
This is a great column, and hopefully there will be some out there that will actually learn from it.
~ John
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I've been away from the site for a while - too much work and too little muse - but I was a bit surprised at the restrictions on how many poems you can post and how many comments you must leave per post. I really have no problem with it, but it did shock me. I have days when I'm inspired and write 10 poems in a day and then weeks go by with nothing. The limits on how many comments per post seem a little extreme. I have 360 critiques that I have posted and few of them are brief, so obviously this restriction wasn't intended to spur on poets such as myself, but rather those who simply post and never read anyone's work.
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thanks 4 reminding us all about how important it is not only 2 share ur own poetry, but also take the time 2 appreciate the work of others and give them the same feedback we hope 2 recieve ourselves. after all, if everyone posts poetry but no one reads any, whats the point? and the beauty of this site is the opportunity 2 discover new pieces and help each other grow as writers.
u explain this very clearly and logically. thanks 4 writing this! looks like a lot of ppl are listening!
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I must agree with your thoughts here, 100 characters is really nothing perhaps 2 sentences at best. I think many of us have found a wonderful place of expression here at AP, and as far as egos being boosted here go I'm sure there are a few that need that they are everywhere in life aren't they so why not here also. I think the majority that give critical critiques are excepted well and those that can't handle constructive criticism need to look inside themselves. Thanks for sharing your thoughts with us here.
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Very true, lisa. Sometimes we get so caught up in form, mechanics, etc that we forget the most important part of writing. --It's overall affect--. One of the reasons I write is for impact. Because I have something to say that I feel should be heard. Sometimes that something is blatantly spoken, others it is spoken in more obscurred ways to allow readers to draw their own conclusion. I always like to know what people actually hear or experience when reading something even if it is far from what I intended.
The fact that a reader would even take the time to read something I have written and actually form an interpretation of it is really an honor in my book. Probably one of the reasons that I read as much as I do is that there are tons of voices out there that have important things to say and if I try to listen I hear some fascinating things.
I am thinking that I may do some research and see if I can come up with an article with suggestions for commenting honestly in a flame retardent sort of way Seems that many people are reluctant to be honest because of the reaction they get. I used to feel that way, and maybe I am just too much of a Pollyanna in the literary world, but I haven't had to put out any forest fires yet. So I think we can probably find a balance between brutal honesty and tact and really all be a lot more helpful to one another.
Lol, blahdeeblahdeeblahdeeblah Looks like I am talking and I can't shut up
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I've been a member of this site since 2001. as far getting back the feedback...it better than alot of places that I've posted in. many places just pat you on the back and say good job. without any true feelings of what you said.
but as you say what does it matter.
altho one thing I don't understand...
if one doesn't get feedback then why bother posting at all?
the reason I feel this way
is because in someplaces the poetry isn't commented on at all.
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I am sure there are many who feel as you do. And in all honesty, there were times, I dealt with the same types of --wonderment--. The thing is, that the more I comment without regard to who replies back, the more comments I collect over time. And the more points I collect to promote, run contests etc, that gives me a bit more exposure to comments on my own work.
I actually have person on my favorites list who I have read consistently since I have been on the site and commented on often and I can count perhaps 14-20 words of comment returned to me by them. But, so what? As a result of browsing through stuff and becoming aquainted with others who comment on the same person, I have gotten continually growing and more diverse feedback on my stuff. And I get to read a lot of stuff that I really like.
Some people are naturally as --overly critical-- as others are --lax--. It all comes together nicely over the long haul. I think we have to keep in mind that many people do not always have the time to return every single comment they receive. For this reason, I simply keep commenting on a wide variety of people and as time has passed I get increasingly more feedback.
Lol, I guess that in the long run, I have found that I get back as much as I put in and then some as long as I focus on just doing the do things, so to speak, and don't fret over the results. The results come with time.
You make very good points that are important to consider. I am really glad that I got an opportunity to get so much feedback from such a wide array of personalities and perspectives on this piece. I am finding it quite inspiring
Thanks for taking the time to read and comment.
Edited on May 17, 3:26 p.m. because 'I'm a dork'.
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I completely agree with this. It's kind of insane how often people use things over and over again. I used to, and I realised at some point that it was just stupid, and no one was getting anything out of my comments because they were bland and didn't really give any feedback at all. Typically it used to be "Thanks for sharing your poem, I really enjoyed reading it, it made me think" And that was it...Nothing comes from comments like that. I didn't leave any details on what I liked or didn't like about the poem. I applaud you for leaving this post. It should definatly get some attintion.
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there are some who feel like I do. you comment on others by what seems an overabundance of comments. yet some don't have curtiesy to reply back. then you think to yourself why?
as far as critique...
yes you can take and throw away what others say.
but I've also found others overly critical in what they say..
or don't simply ask...what did you mean?
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one word...Amen! oh yes, and thank you for writing this! MUCH appreciated!!!
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I agree that we should comment on poetry written by others. This forum thrives on this kind of encouragement. I realize what it has meant to me to receive just a two word comment- I am just thrilled that someone cared to read my work and comment on it. Thank you for the article which explains a lot about this site to a novice like me. I have been busy nowadays and preoccupied with personal stuff and have not been really doing much. Your column kind of woke me up from my stupor and inertia.
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Letter B: Important.
I think the word "criticism" has a bad rap. I feel often "transported" by well written Poetry here. And part of my "criticism" will include that type of discussion. It doesn't always mean "fix this fix that" but -- What did this poem do to your Gut? Anything? Too me, that is the most important thing -- did what I wrote make you FEEL.
All the other stuff is incidental. Puncuation can be altered if necessary, spelling re-checked. but -- did the Work reach the Reader?
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Well, actually, I suppose the emphasis would appear to be on bronze since the majority of folks who take issue with the 2 posts a day then 4 comments per post rule are bronze. I was bronze for a very long time, only recently becoming silver. Fortunately, the rules for posting when bronze have allowed me to form habits that I still continue as a silver member.
You are right though, there are other members who take offense at the 100 character rule to have a comment count and that is certainly not limited to bronze members. And there are even gold members who do some of the sneaky point things for the sake of points, credit etc.
I am hoping thought, that the idea of --400 characters of comment to post a 3rd poem is not so much to ask-- point is coming through. I am quite enjoying the response though because it is quite varied and it is giving me some ideas for possible suggestions that might be implemented somewhere down the road.
A few of the comments I have received here have me thinking of ways that
a. We can get our criticisms or suggestions across to poets without them feeling the need to strike back and
b. A poet can use criticism constructively no matter how they feel about it.
Granted, some people come off rather rude when commenting. Overall though I have received relatively few out and out rude comments. Of course, I am also old. I really don't care to spend my energy flaming someone over a comment so if I perceive it as rude, I am apt to simply question the comment and prompt them to elaborate a bit. It usually clears up the whole hurt feeling mess in no time and I have met some excellent poets and critiquers as a result.
Anyway, you, like many others make some valid points that are definately worth pondering.
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I think the pattern you've created for you numbers is lovely.
I too have been around the block and back at AP. So this is not new but I always believe it is helpful to bring things out for airing especially because new people join all the time. Nicely written though I don't think the emphasis should be on Bronze members -- though maybe it really wasn't but that did stick in my head.
I once joined a Poetry site that required I post a large amount of comments before even being allowed to post a poem. I unjoined immediately. I think it is silly to tie the two together - commenting and the ability to post poems. But thats me and I would rarely post more than one piece in a day anyway. And somedays, I just don't feel like critting but may have a poem to share. Other days I may crit like a madwoman and not post a poem for a few. I bet it all balances out naturally anyway.
I do find AP Poets sometimes overly sensitive to crits. As if by not understanding a poem or making a statement about it or suggesting an edit here or there it somehow means "I don't like you." Sometimes I'll send an IM asking if they'd like a crit before posting one on the poem. Other times I'll crit in IM. There seems to be a bit of a nervousness about critting contest poems -- maybe we should have the option of posting an "invisible critique" that is only viewable by the critter and the author but still get points for it.
Anyway, you know what someone said the other day - they didn't know what the "Return the Favor" feature was. I love using it and think a column about different ways to "read" poems here would be helpful.
I think I blabbed enough here for about 100 points.
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Again, I must agree with the several above comments. I actually had something on my bio page about checking the critique box, then reaming me a new one for pointing out the poster used a non-existent word. Then, he blocked me. So much for maturity. I do not believe in being rude to someone, or the "brutally honest" approach. You can be constructive and polite and still give a good critique. However, as stated before, most here are not interested in what others feel is wrong with their "poem"; they want the commentor to make them feel good. Sorry, the truth does not have to be nasty, but sometimes it does hurt. I avoid leaving critical comments on posts that do not ask for them. So, they are left with "This was very... (Fill in nice word, but tell the truth: full of imagery...or something like that) However, since you did not ask for a critical review, thank you for sharing." And, I leave it at that. They get nothing useful, and I get no points. But, I am not interested in the points.
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You know what? You obviously live in America. I wake up early, post a ton of comments, and if they're for my contests, they're long. Then about 10 am I begin to write my poems and what do I get after the first two, just when my creativity is really in full gear? The big DING! Because the American clock has just struck twelve and soon it's time to go pick up my kid from Kindergarten and all my morning comments aren't doing a thing for me to enable me to write more poems.
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Well, you're busy writing informative columns in your free time eh.
Nehoo, to the important stuff. I agree with all you've said, as well as the comments before me. I guess I made the sacrifice to be a silver member to avoid the posting bar, since I rarely come across poems by random folks that entice or impress me enough to leave a worthy comment. Also, you never know who is going to be "offended" by an honest critique.
Let's face it - there are a lot of babies here, and I don't have the time to pet nor pamper (mind you this is not the greeter Stacy talking
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Well, all has been said that needs to be, so I won't drag this out longer than warranted.
Thanks for sharing this, and best wishes to you always!
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It is such a good point that people using this page for free shouldn't really be complaining about the 100 character rule. That is pretty generous of this website to do. They could REQUIRE everyone to pay for the site just to use it. But instead, they help us by letting free members depend on those who pay. All they ask is that we comment some other poets. Big deal. When I first came to AP 3 years ago, I was 13. It was suggested that we leave about three comments for every poem we posted, but it was not a rule. I'm actually glad that it is a rule now. I think it is a good way for people like me, free memebers, to show that we are grateful for the support this site is giving to us. Good job with this.
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first, I did have to applaud J-ay Rose's comment just above mine for what he/she had to say. I'm not saying that comments to poems have to be derisive much less abusive, but I've never come to a poetry site or situation where this AP "coddle me" syndrome seems so prevalent.
that aside, your post makes a powerful statement to those who complain how difficult it is to leave a 100-character comment in a 1,000,000-character complaint as to the system. First coming to AP, I spent at least the first week just reading and commenting to poetry here before posting a poem...and though I'm not a "poetry critiquer" to any extent of the word, I feel as to leave comment as to how I related to the poem, how it made me feel and any viable suggestions that I felt might make the poem "better." It has come to a point though I realize not all, not even very many, appreciate any suggestions and I figure those are the ones just not to return to in commentary to their poetry. If they feel they have the "perfect" poem, why workshop it and request any such critique?
I realize not everyone is capable of critique to the extent of specific nits and even suggestions...but I think AP in itself has made it's own catch-22 situation where comments of only "nice poem" or "good poem" or even "I can relate" without explanation as to why or how are almost expected.
thanks for the post, Thistle...It was good reading!
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In a perfect world we would all listen to you and do as you say, but this world is far from perfect. Most of the people here aren’t looking for someone to say something critical about their work. They want people to say something 'diplomatic' which is quite hardily getting confused with kissing ass and dribble along the lines of “oh, I love your work this is so good. Keep writing! + various animated pictures”
It's sad, but after getting bitched at on account for your real thoughts on someone's poem the initiative and drive to write anything worth reading for them is lost. Why bother if they are going to complain and not take your words in stride? They don't have to listen to you. They don't even have to accept what you have to say, but in saying it they feel they have the right to complain. Well, darlings, if you didn't ask for it then why are you here? Why bother checking the little critical box at all? We are here to help each other are we not? It seems that we are being detrimental more than anything else.
Yes, that’s right, let’s feed the egos of those who write trite scribbles and pass them off as poetry. They have no desire to be better! They want attention and to be told they are good while others who actually want to be beaten with a lead pipe until they are better than any Shakespeare, Sexton, or Plath get lost in a sea of mediocrity. I guess that is what we get for being on the internet.
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i have mixed views on the comment issues. when i read a poem here, it is for pleasure, i read random poems, and i have a small list of favorites... many times, i read and choose not to leave a comment. i have often had the author of the poem ask me in an im, 'i see you visited my poem, why didn't you comment?' (gold members are shown at the bottom of the pages who has 'visited' our pages.... there are times when i just want to read, not type...and times when i want to read a poem several times before i can comment on how i feel about it..and as far as critical comments, there are so many here who really are not the least bit interested in anyone making suggestions, the ego and sensitive nature of poets are very evident in the replies at times. the feature box is a whole different issue, i think a comment is in order if you click on a featured poem, i feature poems to get feedback, it means i want a comment to see what others see in my words...
some here create alter-accounts to read with...i find myself of late choosing to 'log off' and read as a guest if i just want to read, just becasue some of my friends list think i am being impolite if i do not make a comment the first time i read the poem...i hate to be impolite or be percieved as impolite...i am going on and on here....i will sum it to say, if you comment it should be sincere, no matter what type of gold silver or bronze membership you have, a comment on anothers work should be meaningful and honest, or nothing at all. i appreciate your coloumn here, it was interesting reading, and i agree with most of what you write. i especially like the pointing out of how 100 characters is not such a large price to pay for a wonderul service. -
hehe, okay, just kidding. Thank you so much for getting this point across. Personally, it always annoyed me to see somebody with 100+ poems and two critiques, so I'm very happy Kevin implemented this system. I do agree with NoUseForAName that the system is slightly flawed--I don't visit here as often as I used to, so some days I'll come by just to read and comment, and some to post my newest crop of poetry... it's the post days that get me, because I usually don't have the time to go through and comment enough to post everything, and my comments from my previous visit don't count--but I'd much rather have this tiny flaw, than have people loading up the system with poems and refusing to comment in return. I've made some great friends on this site just by commenting on their work, or returning the favor of a comment they left on mine. Anyhoo, I'm getting away from the point... I think this is a great post with a LOT of really good points, and I commend you greatly for the effort you put into it. Thanks again!
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Great write, keep it up!
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I will often bookmark something and come back to read it when I have time to actually comment. Usually when I do this, I'll make a small comment, like I enjoyed reading and will be back to comment. I almost ALWAYS do this if it's a featured poem. That way people don't feel like I'm wasting their points. Often the initial comment earns me a point or less. I get none when I come back and leave a real comment.
The point of this place for me isn't the points. It's fun, and I like holding contests- but it's not the point. The point is to get feedback and I hate when people leave, "Good writing" comments. I'd rather them not say anything at all.
I like that the free membership is set up the way it is as well. We only get better at commening and critiquing by doing it. I do think the system is flawed, though. Most days I don't post anything and just leave comments. Occasionally I'll post more than one thing of my own and it sucks to have to make 8 comments before I can do that, when I left 50 the day before. But, I understand the reasoning behind it.
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yes i find it interesting that people have problems with this as anyone who writes likes to have comment on their work good bad or indifferent. The rule are set if there are problems take it on board and ask questions or put your alternate ideas in words and send them off. You never know what you have in mind may just work . but hey is it not for the poetry that we are here in the first instance? Educational perhaps brought a smile to my face.
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I find it hysterical when people can't get 100 characters. If you say: "Wow! This is great! Keep up the great work!
" and then put your name. That right there is about half way. You put in one more sentence and you've got 100 characters. I don't think there has been one time in the last 9 months that I've been on this site that I haven't gotten the full 100 characters Anyways, good article, Thistle!
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Very good article. This shows the sort of person I am, I didn't know about the 100 character rule (although I did wonder why 101 some didn't seem to get counted ...). I totally agree, commenting should come from the heart, if you only have four words 201 to say, fine, but don't expect any credit! Personally I might send someone a smiley one day and then ramble on and on the 299 next (it depends on my mood). Anyway, I am waffling again. Well done! 356
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the only time i've had trouble leaving comments on a poem is if i can't find one good thing to say about it and this doesn't happen very often. i've been on this site so long that i can usually spot the venting or personal poems, which aren't really after serious critique. for these poems my comments are empathetic.
the only time i make sure to leave a comment is when i've clicked on a featured poem. i know how frustrating it is when you've earned your points by making good original comments only to have them wasted by those who click on featured and don't comment. i'd rather have someone click on a poem i've featured and tell me why they don't like it than leave nothing.
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It is a small price to pay to be able to have your work read by peers and hopefully commented on, I do not consider myself good enough to be able to critique another persons work and really one mans opinion is neither here nor there, it is how you feel about your work that counts but I do comment and I tell the person what their poem made me feel, what I read into it and how it made me think, they can take that or not as is their wish but to me it is nice that people who read your work actually take the time to leave a little comment on it, yes it is good when those more illustrious amongst us will critique your work as it is through that we learn, mmm now do I have to count the letters????, Broad
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I am not against the points, nor in people wanting them; I am against that being the sole purpose for commenting. Or whining that you have to leave a contrete comment to get the point. And, if you have a free membership, I do not think it beyond reason to be expected to leave more comments in order to post.
I do think this is a positive piece. If people read it in the manner it is written, then there should be no problems. The point should be that it is the comments that are important, not the points, but if you want them, you should put forth a little effort to get them. All-in-all, this is a very good essay. -
I am with you, I certainly don't mind a 1 or 2 word comment because I know that someone basically just let me know they took the time to read the poem. I would never want people to feel that they are being forced to comment in depth on every piece of poetry they read. Sometimes we just want to read
On the other hand, I don't think there is anything wrong with people wanting to earn points. Especially folks with free accounts. It is sort of a way to work for your supper, so to speak. As long as we are actually doing our own work rather than just riding on someone elses to earn points, of course.
As anyone who has been around here any length of time knows, we have recurring topics of discussion around the site. And I have seen the topic of --holy cow, I have to do 4 comments for each post?-- one cycle past several times since I have been here.
Hopefully, this piece is an encouragement for those who initially feel that a 100 character comment is sooooo long. That is one of the reasons that I started it the way I did. The number 100 can sound really big until you see it in print
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In reality, LisiB, it takes more to shut me up than it takes to push me over the edge. I actually started thinking about the substance of this write a long time ago with some threads that were being discussed on the forums and within groups that I was in etc. It just now got around to coming together. It is another of those recurring conversations that just goes around from time to time.
I hope that the column comes off as a possitive statement toward better use of our creative talents and sort of takes the enormity out of the thought that 100 characters is too hard for people who love to write in the first place.
thanks for reading and taking the time to comment
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Just wanted to point out that I have no problem with the "Good job, I really like this" sort of comment. I am happy when anyone bothers to read and leave anything. I think the point here is the ones griping about having to leave a 100 character comment to receive one point. If that is all the commenter is interested in, do not bother to leave me one. I figure that any comment is better than none. My problem is finding the quality pieces that I can actually leave a comment on. Most omit the "A critical review is invited." part of their posting. I will not leave anything critical on those postings simply because I have had my head chewed off and/or been blocked for pointing out the simplest mistakes. And, this was after being asked, in a group, to read and review said poster's work. It is not worth my sanity to try to figure out what platitude someone wants. As I stated earlier, I would be just as happy without the points. It is not the reason for real artists to post or comment. Only those hung up on gratification care about the points.
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Hi, mayflowerbg, I certainly understand how overwhelming it can seem to figure everything out when new on the site. You make a very good point about how we have a tendency to follow the leader, so to speak, when we are new. Just as we learn and grow as writers, we also learn and grow as commenters.
I too was a bit uneasy about commenting on things that did not suit my taste initially. Fortunately, in most cases, I can look past what I don't like and still see some things that I do like about the writers style, etc. So I started pointing out things that I didn't like so much, but still made mention of the things that I did.
There are some times that all I basically have to offer in the way of comment is simply my interpretation of a poem. This is especially true of writers who are already very good with spelling grammer etc. Most poets like to know what you actually see when you read their poem and I haven't met any poets who get offended when I am critical of something as long as I acknowledge that I am coming from my perspective with my own oppinion rather than appearing to be the "poetry police"
We poets are strange birds and sometimes the negative reaction that we get from some on a poem is the exact effect we were going for. So never be afraid to state what you feel. As long as you aren't just being mean, you know that your intentions are in the right place and as time goes by you will get better at noticing different aspects of the writing to comment on.
Lol, if you need some practice being critical, find some fellow poets on the site you can practice on by looking through some of the critical groups under the groups tab. You will find groups that are everything from encouraging to downright cruel in their critiques and everything in between .
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This brings up a very good point. I do agree it's not right to just copy and paste with only a couple of original words. I will admit I'm one of the guilty ones here because I used to just copy and paste. Most of the time I usually just say good job and well done..It's sad, really
What persuaded you to type this up? I know I wouldn't have thought about it. I usually just hold my tongue and it takes quite a bit to push me over the edge to express how I feel, especially in such a manner as that. Here, if I try to express myself bluntly all hell breaks loose.
But yeah, I will hush now.
Good job, hun.
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hahahah! good job with this column...! nice to hear someone speak up about AP rules and policies and how people follow them or try to curb the rules...! i liked the honesty uv put into this and i will keep your words in mind next time i comment on anyone's work.. lol!
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great column
Very well written column thistle. I completely agree with yoiu that it is crazy that people complain about the 100 character rule for points. All we do on this site is write pieces and expect them to get critiques from others, but complaining about the 100 character rule is being hipocritical. We All must write critiques and comments otherwise you can't expect others to want to critique you. Well i'll stop rambling... Once again great column, i totally agree with it. Keep up the good work thistle!
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I'm a new member and, when I began writing my comments, I felt it was very difficult to do it. I tried to bring back memories from the school bench but, after so much time passed, I decided to "educate" myself by reading other members' comments. I saw that everybody was doing the "copy & paste thing" with many "wow"s and exclamations. So what would you do if you were me? Do the same, I suppose.
Thank you very much for your essay! It helped me understand some rules.
And what do people do if they didn't like a poem? Just pass it by? (Because everyone is so kind to me, writing nice words about my poems and I'm beginning to ask myself some questions.) What do I do if don't like a poem? Of course, if I open my heart and mind, I can always find beautiful moments in each poem, but what about the rest, shall I close my eyes and remain silent forever? What did people who didn'tlike my work do? -
Lol, manasvi, guilt not intended. Making people feel guilty is my mother's job. But thanks for the comments and the humor
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You are absolutely right. People's inability to comment properly would amuse me if it wasn't so sad. We are poets, masters of words. One would think that a poet would put some thought into their comment at least for the sake of not sounding like an idiot. I find it unfair when I promote my work with my latest points and people just waste my clicks with "good job and well done". You raise some very good points here and give logical reasons to why it benefits everyone if you comment properly. I am hoping that people will not only read this but also take it to heart and start commenting. Personally, I love commenting on work. If I like what someone had to say, I always compliment on the person's work and show I actually read their work and not just commented to get points. If I didn't like it, it's always nice to be able to help someone out and give them pointers. I think it makes sense to give back to a community we are a part of. Also, points can be earned this way, which is an awesome bonus. The whole idea of All Poetry and what it is about appeals to me. It's just to bad some people are unwilling to cooperate and I end up wasting 100s of points. I suppose there are always people who are not really good at expressing their thoughts clearly so they don't write long comments but that brings up a question. What are they doing on a poetry website. What is really strange is that I was just thinking about this when I came across your column. I thought I was just being irrational but it really is just human to want people to comment properly, especially if you're trying to get better at writing. I tried to find something to correct you about here but I wasn't able to. I thought it flowed very nicely and one thought led to another fluently. I also liked how you might a rant type of thing seem inspirational. Well done.
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ok you made me feel really guilty so here i am writing a comment again!!to start off with.. i love writes that reflect on issues in a humurous and well what can i say i doubt i could have done this any better myself..its perfect!becuase its something al of us see so often but never really think of penning down..i pat you on the back for being so outspoken and honest!i really like that..this write is slick..very very classy!!keep the awesome work coming..and the ink be ever flowing..cheers to this one and many more to come!rock on!
may god bless you..
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A line or two is one thing. Everyone does that to point out a small part that caught the attention or to point out typos or suggestions without being totally confusing. It is only when someone copies and pastes more of the authors work than there is original comment that it becomes shady. Lol, that is also when it becomes against site policy.
I don't think it is frowned on at all as long as there is more actual comment than copy and paste.
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Hey!! Excellent post and one that certainly needed to be written for all to see. I agree there are way to many people who leave one line comments or try and get their 100 characters by re-posting large sections of a poem, the latter especially annoys me! I find it fairly easy just to comment on things after reading some other columns about how to critique and when I can think of nothing to say on a piece I leave it and go back when I've got my mind in gear. . I liked what you said about "the more you comment the larger your reading audience becomes". I have been on the site here for just over a year now and am a member of various groups. Although there is now the option to hide group messages I get really annoyed about messages from people saying "please read this, i have no comments on it yet and really want some", I'm all in favour of commenting - this site simply wouldn't work as well without it but all the same, begging people for comments isn't a good way to go about things in my view. Anyhow, I'll save my views for another time. lol. But great write, I hope to read more of your stuff in the future and hope you continue enjoying your time here!!
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Nice post!
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i agree with you on this. though i pay for a membership--i have less than 25 posts and way more comments than that. i like to read because it takes me anywhere in this world that i want to go. thank you for writing this and i hope i do not encounter on my writes what i have seen a few times already--entire poems pasted as the comment or a bunch of hugs and stuff. that would irritate me to no end. especially with nothing else said. thank you again. hope2makeit
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Excellent column! I was waiting for someone to write about this. I'm afraid I've been guilty of copying and pasting a line or two from the poem I'm reading in my comments....but, I only do it because I really like those two lines and I do make up for it by giving a kick-ass critique lol. Again, great job! :-)
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Lol, Damselflydreams, my math brain is broken most of the time so it was amazing that I could even type the numbers in order. Thanks for the comment. Feedback is always appreciated.
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That's the first I realised people were upset over the 100 character rule. It just seems to me you join the board and you work with the rules or start another one.
I do very much agree with you that a lot of people should try to improve their comments by pausing to think or feel about the items they are commenting on. Good comments benefit both parties, and maybe even others who read them.
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I am surprised that people moan about having to write 100 characters. I have spent many happy hours (already) reading other peoples work. Also with so many great pieces I have not once had to worry about the rule. If I leave 100 characters so much the better
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lol, I didn't mention them, Zev, because that is a whole 'nother column . This one should simply point out the silliness of getting all "bent" over being required to post a 100 word comment to get credit, as well as the lamenting we hear from time to time from members who think 4 comments to be able to post a third poem too taxing.
Don't worry about what folks think. As long as you try your best to be diplomatic with criticism and acknowledge a writers strong points when you comment, you have done your part. If they block you because of a comment, just count your blessings in saved money for visine. There will be those who appreciate your comment whether they agree with you or not.
Lol, always feel free to speak your mind when you read my stuff. I never block anyone because of criticism. If I don't --get-- what they are pointing out or their reasons for disliking something I write, I will ask for some elaboration. I have made many a good AllPoetry friend by refusing to take comments personally and instead simply asking for clarification.
Lol, I have been on the site 9 months now and my --block-- list is still empty
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...you didn't mention the poetasters who, when you give them a comment on their doggerel other than "nice Write" (gag)or "sooo sweet", block you from commenting on their work...
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You took a common scoop of delirium and woke it up so that others could realize that no matter WHO we are, long as we
are writing and want to be known as such, there's no kind
of cheating that can get us to that goal. I know this little
predicament and am glad it's addressed as such.
May new members will realize that we can't focus on numbers
if we don't do the time like serious artists do!
Roses...roses....to this column. Thank you, dear!
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I am new to Ap, and was unaware of the 100 character minimum. The truth is i like commenting on others works. and seeing what else is out their.
It's true that all too often I see comments are a few one liners, and it is dissapointing to the writter who has spent time and effort and feals encredibly strong about their write. As much as you did writing yours.
So thank you for the call to write better and longer comments.
I will resouble my efforts and try to explain how the poems effected me as I read them. the conclusions i reached the metaphors i particularly liked. Thank you for a good Kick in the A@#.
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I really enjoy commenting on the works of others, although of late I have not been posting anything much due to a surfeit of coursework. I am afraid it is hard to tell whether you are ranting about people who don't comment or just telling people only to comment if they feel it. Those two feelings are very strong in this piece, and they negate each other. I find copy-paste commenters very annoying. Even when I see them on the works of others, they irritate me. I think 100 characters is a very small amount, really, and remember, gold and silver members should still comment. Just because they are paying doesn't mean they aren't part of the community!
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I don't keep track of my character count, I just write what I feel like writing; if I don't get points, who cares?
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Yep! I've heard that one! LOL I generally do my best to write about 7 sentences. Never mind the character counting nonsense. I don't post a whole lot, so the limit part doesn't bother me none. But I figure everyone works hard to write their poems. And then they turn around and work hard to earn the points to feature them, so that others will read it. So I figure I can spend a few minutes and come up with at least 7 sentences. Sure, we won't like everything but at least we can tell them how we feel about it, right? I mean, you're just doing for them what you hope people will do for you. It's just good sense. I think that it's great you took the time to say it. I hope it gets the message out there!
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i like your view. Yes, we are writers, so naturally, it seems logical that we would be able to write a short blurb to comment on others' poems. I plan to be a free member, all my budget is taken by bills and mortgage and child. But I enjoy reading and commenting on poetry and getting feedback. So 100 characters is a snap. no big deal. Thanks for saying this.
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Too funny. Good work! ...I'll leave without my point now.
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This was a very interesting post thistle! The title caught my I because I have been searching for my muse and wrote a poem about it yesterday. Then I see this featured and it caught my eye so I had to come check it out. It seems no matter what you say or do you cannot make people do what they don't want to do. It seems some people have very little to say so they try to get it over with quickly, while others just love to get right down into it and discuss everything. It might have something to do with a fear of insulting someone or maybe they are unsure of the ability to give a really indepth critique. I guess it depends on a persons personality. I don't know if this has been a help or just a pile of rubbish but I just had to comment!
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Outstanding!
BWAHAHAHAHAHA! I love this! It is quite pointed. To all those who this really concerns: get over it. (Have I used up 100 characters yet?)
Seriously, I sometimes find it hard to come up with 100 characters of nice words to say. Solution? Leave what you can. So what if you do not get a point? I have left lots of comments where I did not even get that. The point is to leave a comment at all. I did not join this site to garner points, but rather post and read poetry. Most of my points go to either promoting other peoples work, or on applauses. The contests I choose to hold do not attract a very large audience. So, obviously, it there were no points, I would still be happy. Getting hung up over points is like getting hung up because someone wrote something on their bio page that you did not like. GET OVER YOURSELF!
So, thank you, thistle, for setting the gripers straight. It is not like it is real money, or you can actually do something with it, or it will enrich your life somehow. It is the internet.
Leave the comment and make someone's day better. That should be your real motivation. If you go at it like that, then you will have no trouble coming up with 100 characters.
(BTW, this is 253 words long, 1071 characters long and 1342 with the spaces. And it did not take much effort. And that gave me 7 points.)
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Trying to figure out any kind of points thing gives me a headache and I naturally avoid it. And I am poverty-stricken so I can't contribute to the site right now. What does it all mean? That I enjoy posting poetry and commenting on the amazing things I get to read on here for free, so thanks for writing what you did, I identify.....
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