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Islam - Religion of Peace?

Islamic Extremists - The Nazi's of our generation.

 



(Please read author's comments box below first.)





"Mourn not the dead that in the cool earth lie,
but rather mourn the apathetic,
throng the coward and the weak
who see the world's great anguish and it's wrong,
and dare not speak." 

- Ralph Chaplin




(9/11/01 - The day Islamo-Fascists woke the sleeping giant.)



(Al Quaeda videotaped beheading.)




(Hamas terrorists - the guys who slaughter innocent civilians in malls, nightclubs and buses - holding Korans.)



( Digging up men, women and children murdered by Saddam Hussein, most of which were blindfolded and shot in the head.  The current body count is over 400,000, but the estimated total of executions is 1.2 million.  )

"If Saddam Hussein had not been deposed, the majority of Iraqi's would have ended up in mass graves."
- Latika Padgaonkar, The Pioneer, New Delhi

More on Mass Graves -
www.medyaarts.com/mg_reviews.htm
www.usaid.gov/iraq/legacyofterror.html

Also visit massgraves.info
(I'm proud to report that one of my poems is on that site.  Click on the "poem" link to read it.)



Before you read anything else, read this article (written by an Iranian woman, not a westerner.)

The Silent Holocaust:  Why Humanity Must Achieve Victory Over Islam - by Azam Kamguian
www.secularislam.org/humanrights/silent.htm



Every psychologist tells his patients, "Before your problem can be solved, we must identify what the problem is."  This is also true of problems with nations, communities, and religions.  Problems within religions, however, are engulfed by a larger problem - the total unwillingness by devotees of that religion to rethink what they have been programmed since birth to believe without question.  This is true of all religions.  As a friend on this site so wisely pointed out (see author's comments below), "It's a religion they've believed their entire lives and it has become part of their identity.  If something is wrong in Islam and you highlight it, it feels like you're telling them that a part of their very personhood is wrong."

However, I believe that this issue is important enough to walk through the fire of denial, defensiveness, and blind faith on the part of Muslims.  I did the same thing several months ago when I posted a series of columns on things that confuse me about Christianity.  ("Big Question" series 1-9)  A few Christians got upset because I was questioning their faith, but the vast majority were respectful and understood what I was trying to do - deepen my own understanding and faith, and open the door of communication so that, perhaps, problems could start to be solved, at least in the minds and lives of those people who read the articles and were moved to respond.

If you are a Muslim and you address me respectfully, I will reciprocate.  As you can see from some of the responses to this column, however, that was often not the case.  I understand that this must be a difficult time to be Muslim - fearing Muslim extremists on one side, and fearing racist non-Muslims on the other.  But I am not the enemy.  Believe it or not, my goal in posting this piece was to improve the image of Islam, not help destroy it.  It is being destroyed by Muslim terrorists.  In this column, I am challenging good Muslims to help restore the image of Islam by protesting the extremist minority who are making your lives difficult. 

There are some harsh criticisms below regarding Islam.  I tend to make my points in a very passionate way.  It's just the way I write.  But my goal, again, is to provoke thought and communication, and to urge any Muslims who might read this to confront the extremists who are damaging the image of their faith, and educate them on what Islam is supposed to be about.  If it truly is the "religion of peace", then Muslims who don't support Islamic terrorists or condone their actions need to speak, write, act, and march much more than they are currently.  I am greatly distressed by the lack of outrage on the part of the good Muslims toward terrorism, and every other non-Muslim I know is, too.

I have already been attacked by a few Muslims for posting this column, saying I lump all Muslims together.  I hope you will be able to see that I do not.  When referring to the terrorists who are making all our lives dangerous and difficult (even the lives of good Muslims), every time I use the word "Muslim", I always put the word "extremist" or "fundamentalist" or "fanatical" in front of it.  Yet I am accused of religious intolerance by those determined to label this as such and write me off as anti-Muslim rather than do the uncomfortable meditation that my points require.  I would also criticize a racist or intolerant rant if I saw it, but there is a big difference between questioning facts about a religion and its followers, and blindly hating.

Change is never easy, and that is particularly true in regard to questioning one's lifelong beliefs.  As a result, pride and the desire to "win" the argument overrides rational thinking.  Then we shake our heads and wonder why nothing ever changes in this troubled world. 

My Muslim critics claim that I have no right, as a non-Muslim, to criticize Islam or any Muslims, even the terrorists.  As I expected when I posted this piece, I was dismissed as anti-Muslim.  One person even began to attack Christianity, turning it into a boxing match between Jesus and Mohammed, even though I'm not a Christian and I admit in the article that all religions have had their dark periods.  However, even if I were a Christian, I would still consider atrocities committed by Christians in the distant past to be irrelevant because radical Christians aren't the problem in the world TODAY.  Radical Muslims are.  And when those who should speak (good Muslims) don't, those who shouldn't speak (non-Muslims) must.  Unfortunately, a westerner making well-justified criticisms of Islam is doomed to be perceived as religious intolerance, and certainly would not be considered or meditated upon by a Muslim extremist, which is why it is more important than ever for good Muslims to stand up and be counted.  After all, I'm not the one who needs to be convinced that Islam is the religion of peace, the Muslim extremists are. 

If anyone wants to organize a Muslim march against extremism and terrorism, I will happily join it and fight anyone who tries to stop you.  And if you convince me that any of my points below are wrong, I will gladly edit them.  I wish I was.


To the article -

In the name of being politically correct and to prove how liberal and open-minded they are, many in the west are quick to defend the real cause of the war on terror - Islamic extremism.  They even go as far as blaming all the current troubles with Islamic terrorists on President Bush, even though there were hundreds of attacks BEFORE he was elected, such as the first attack on the Twin Towers, the attacks on the U.S. embassies in Africa and the U.S.S. Cole.  

In their good-hearted attempts to squash anything that resembles religious intolerance, Muslim apologists continously parrot the mantra that Islam is the "religion of peace" and claim that the Qur'an is a good book that has been misinterpreted and distorted by fanatical, fundamentalist Muslims.  This is not entirely true.  By and large, the Koran, like the Bible, is a good book.  Unlike the Bible, however, the Koran has not been sufficiently updated by right-thinking people to meet the human rights requirements of the modern world.  

If no Muslim is able to misinterpret passages of the Koran, why do terrorists always recite prayers to Allah as they are killing innocent civilians or blowing themselves up?   Why do they believe they will be rewarded with 72 virgins for their martyrdom?  I guarantee you - the terrorists at the controls of the planes on 9/11 were screaming "Allah Akbar!!" as the planes hit the towers.  Obviously, their ideology is backed up by their religion, at least in their minds, because they were able to derive from the Koran that it is not only okay but virtuous to kill non-believers.  (Infidels.)

Here are a few examples -

Intolerance in the Koran -

"Slay or crucify or cut the hands and feet of the unbelievers, that they be expelled from the land with disgrace, and that they shall have a great punishment in the world hereafter."
Koran 5:34

"O you who believe!  Do not take the Jews and the Christians for friends, for they are friends of each other, and whoever amongst you takes them for a friend, then surely he is one of them; surely Allah does not guide the unjust people."
Koran 5:51


Justification for terrorism in the Koran -

"Remember Allah inspired the angels;  I am with you.  Give firmness to the unbelievers.  I will instill terror into the hearts of the unbelievers; you smite them above their necks and smite all their fingertips off of them."
Koran 8:12

The Koran has many passages that cast women in a lower light than men.  These passages are then used by fundamentalist Muslims to justify abuse of women, honor killings, etc.  Here are just a few such verses from the Koran itself.

"A wife should never refuse herself to her husband, even it is on the saddle of a camel." 

"Never will a people know success if they confide their affairs to a woman."

"A woman cannot fulfill her duties toward God without first having accomplished those that she owes her husband."


Muslim men consider women who are not virgins to be so filthy and defiled that in the Hadith, it is claimed that in heaven, after sexual intercourse, every woman becomes a virgin again.  It is this kind of thinking that makes fundamentalist Muslims maim and kill their own daughters, sisters or wives when they suspect them of having sex before marriage, of committing adultery, or even of being raped.  There are innumerable reports of men committing "honor killings" against any woman they consider to be "unclean". 

Here is one such story, with photographs for anyone who thinks I'm exaggerating -

www.rozanehmagazine.com/julyaugust02/Mayjune02new/wpakistan.html

There are good Muslims, of course.  That goes without saying.  In fact, the role of the allied forces in Iraq is to help progressive Muslims in the Middle East win their country from the fundamentalists who want to keep them all forever locked in the Dark Ages.

However, the fact that only one of the 47 Muslim-dominated countries of the world are not free indicates that something is wrong not just with these societies, but with the so called "religion of peace" itself.  After all, "the proof is in the pudding".  The important questions are: 

Why are so many Muslims misinterpreting the Koran, assuming it is a flawless book?

Why are 46 of 47 Muslim countries not free? 

Why have their been over 8000 terrorist attacks by Muslim terrorists since 9/11? 

Why are so many horror stories constantly pouring out of the Middle East of savage abuse of women and children? 

We can't blame the war in Iraq for everything.  Muslim terrorists were bombing, kidnapping, torturing, and hijacking long before that.

Every religion has its horror stories and dark periods.  Christians and Catholics have committed atrocities in the name of their religions, too.  I'm not a Christian.  I'm not even religious.  I believe if people don't do it, it doesn't get done.  Bertrand Russell said, "Religion is the dragon at the gate of prosperity in the world."  If we all believed that we were alone on this earth and had only each other to depend on, maybe things would be better.  Instead, religion only gives us one more reason (other than race, nationality, sex, age, social status, etc.) to divide ourselves.  As John Lennon said, without religion, we might be a little closer to becoming a "brotherhood of man" rather than backing our particular religions as if they were football teams, as the most vocal critic of this article did. 

If a western, non-Muslim person (particularly a white male, like myself) breathes one word of criticism about Islam, he is immediately labeled by liberals as an intolerant bigot.  The desire to be perceived as politically correct overrides a sincere search for truth, and a desire to make necessary, positive changes in the world.  To make matters worse, Muslims will immediately start criticizing Christianity and other religions, in total denial of the fact that currently, the biggest problem in the world is not Christianity or Catholicism or Buddhism or Hinduism.  It's Islamic extremism. 

Behind almost every bombing, there is someone screaming "Allah is great!"  The Islamic fascists are the Nazi’s of our age and ignoring them is no longer an option.  The U.S. tried that before and we were attacked anyway.  Why?  Because Islamic terrorist groups did not approve of who we were friends with, and they considered us "infidels" in their holy land, as they do every non-Muslim.  It wouldn't matter if we were there selling cookies.  They would still want us dead.  That's why aide workers are kidnapped and killed just as readily as soldiers and contractors.  That is why Osama Bin Laden offered $5,000.00 to anyone who kills an American, anywhere.

The stated purpose of every terrorist group in the Middle East is to acquire nuclear weapons and turn the west, particularly America, into a “sea of fire”.  I just hope the destruction of one of our major cities won’t be necessary before we wake up and smell the opium.

 

Before a war can be won, or survived, we must know the true face of our enemy.  Most of us don't.  Most of us think that most Muslims in the Middle East are peace-loving, benign people who just want to be left alone.  This belief persists in spite of overwhelming evidence to the contrary, such as bombings around the globe, the desecration of charred bodies of western contractors who went to Iraq to help rebuild their country, the beheading of any westerner unlucky enough to be captured, horrific human rights violations and atrocities throughout the Middle East (mostly against women and children), constant U.S. flag burning and threat-laden protests on the streets of Arab countries, and the conspicuous silence of most of the Muslim world. 

Maybe we've all watched Disney's Aladdin too many times, so we have happy, fantasy images in our mind when we think of the Middle East, instead of the real-life images at the top of this page.  Of course, I'm not referring to the entire Middle East, just the hot spots of entrenched fundamentalist oppression.

So how do the terrorists misinterpret the "Holy Koran"?  It may have something to do with the fact that the Koran advocates killing any "infidel" (non-Muslim) anywhere in the Middle East if he/she won't convert to Islam.  (See passages from the Koran above, highlighted in red.)  There are also many misogynistic passages in the Koran, such as this one -

"If anything presages a bad omen, it is a house, a woman, and a horse."


The Koran also advocates taking girls of any age as brides.  Mohammed himself married a 7 year old girl.  But we should give him a little credit, though, because he waited until she was 9 to consummate the marriage. 

Many people feel that statutory rape laws are unjust, and that girls should be able to have sex as soon as they begin menstruating.  After all, if God didn't want them to have sex at 12 or 13, why would He give them their first egg at that age?  Unless Mohammed's bride started menstruating at 9, which would make her a biological anomaly, his consummation of the marriage was what most people in the modern world would refer to as "child molestation".

Laws are created to legislate morality, and most people think it's wrong for men to marry and have sex with little girls.  Children should be allowed to be children.  If young people want to have sex when their natural curiosity awakens, it should be with other young people who they are attracted to, not someone they don't love, are totally repulsed by, and who they perceive to be an old geezer.

Of course, the reason Islam, Christianity and all other religions are biased toward men is because they were written by men, for men.  Women get the short end of the stick every time.

Again, there are good Muslims, but their overwhelming silence makes them irrelevant, and even suspect.  After all, if you make a claim about your opponent in a debate and he does not deny it, that implies agreement.  When was the last time you saw Muslims marching en masse to protest the actions of radical Muslims?  I haven't.  Not only do most good Muslims do nothing, say nothing, write nothing, and refuse to protest the actions of the fanatics who are giving their religion a bad name, they attack any non-Muslim who does, as I have been attacked under this piece.  This makes non-Muslims very, very nervous.  If good Muslims were doing more to combat bad Muslims, I would not have felt compelled to post this column.

This is my own little way of shedding light on a subject that is not even being discussed throughout most of the Middle East.  In fact, attempts to legislate equal rights for women are almost always roundly rejected by the courts as "Un-Islamic."  Here's another article that proves it -

www.atheism.about.com/b/a/015219.htm

The journalist Azam Kanguian lived under horrific oppression in Iran for most of her life.  She wrote:

"A free discussion of Islam is extremely dangerous, not only in countries under Islamic rule, but also in the west.  Most keep their feelings to themselves.  Those Muslims who disown or even criticize their faith publicly are likely to be accused of apostasy, a crime punishable by death under Islamic law - a penalty enforced by a number of Islamic states, including Iran, Saudi Arabia and Sudan."

By writing this article and suggesting that there may be some room for improvement in the Islamic world, I am apparently putting my life in danger.  I think this issue is important enough to take that risk.  This site is full of very powerful people - writers who can contribute something to this problem today, and young writers who will become the journalists of tomorrow.  There is great power in the written word.  The fact that every religion has its holy book is proof of that.

Here are a few more reasons I felt it was important to post this article.

1.  To do my part to stop the killing in Iraq, most of which is committed by insurgents.  I'm getting tired of hearing people say Americans are butchering Iraqi's.  The Iraqi's have less to fear from our soldiers then they do from the insurgents, and everyone knows it, especially the Iraqi people.

2.  To prevent a nuclear holocaust that will kill millions because Islamic extremists can't control their hatred; hatred which is endorsed by their god in numerous passages in the Koan.  Yes, Christians did terrible things in the past, too, but right now, Muslim extremists are the problem.  Every time a bomb goes off somewhere, there is a Muslim extremist screaming "Allah Akbar!", and yet they accuse the west of waging holy war.  The hypocrisy is staggering.

3.  Because I care about the welfare of women everywhere.  If I could pinpoint one thing that made me write this article more than any other, it is the story at the top of this page about the women whose husband suspected her of adultery.  He woke her in the middle of the night, tied her up, dragged her into the basement, tied her up by her feet, beat her with a board from head to toe, cut her nose off, plucked her eyes out with a heated knife, stuck his fingers into the empty sockets, cut her down and let her fall to the floor, almost breaking her neck, and left her for dead.  But she didn't die.  Her three children discovered her body, blood oozing from the holes where her nose and eyes used to be. 

I wish I could say that story is a rare anomaly in the Middle East, but it isn't.  It's very common.  The only reason we heard about it is because the woman survived to tell the tale.  I don't care what any Muslim says about it, it's wrong.  Many Muslims say American women are cheapened and defiled in our oversexed society, and I would agree with them to some degree, but when a woman commits adultery here, 99% of the time, the worst that happens to her is a divorce.  It's called "civilized behavior". 

So if any terrorists do read this and are too filled with hate to see that I am writing this for humanitarian reasons, if they think I deserve to die for criticizing their culture, be warned - I'm not some 98 pound, female flight attendant.  Cutting my throat won't be so easy.  I'm a black belt and heavily armed.  You don't scare me.


Okay, now that I got that out of the way . . .

To see only a few of the acts Muslims extremists are capable of performing in the name of their God, go to
www.MichaelSavage.com and watch the videos there, but be warned - they are extremely graphic and vomit-inducing. 

Change

Positive change doesn't usually come to pass because of one action by one person, but by many small actions by many people.  It is toward that end that I posted this piece and will continue to fight, through writing and any other way I can, to end abuse of women in the Middle East and anywhere else it exists, and to protect my country from radical Muslim fanatics. 

Please use the links below and do at least as much research as I have, and read/watch the following sources, before starting an argument with me about how virtuous Islam is.


Here’s a clip of what happens to children in Iran if they are caught stealing.  Some say this is a just a clip of a show put on by street gypsies.  I hope that's true, but either way, it's reckless child endangerment that should not be allowed in any civilized country.

 

There have been over 8000 terrorist attacks since 9/11.  For a short list, read this article -

The Truth About Islam – A Former Muslim Speaks
www.islamstrueface.blogspot.com/2005/07/muslim-atrocities.html

 

The Magnitude of Muslim Atrocities -

www.voi.org/books/siii/ch6.htm

More Truth About Islam - 

www.thereligionofpeace.com


Also, google the name Azam Kamguian, a world-renowned Islamic scholar, and read her articles.  Since she lived in Iran and experienced the abuse of being a Muslim woman firsthand, she is my authority on the subject, not some pampered westerner whose idea of suffering is Starbucks running out of cinnamon powder.

I also post this column because some of us in the west, even after the horrors of 9/11, still haven't realized the magnitude of this threat.  Muslim terrorists have declared an all-out war on the west but our desire to feel good about ourselves is causing many to underestimate the depth of their hatred and intolerance, and we are making ourselves vulnerable as a result.

It is not just us the Islamo-fascists want to torture and kill, it is their own people.  Cultures of death have been a fact of life in the Middle East since time began, but now that there are video cameras everywhere, WE have to see it.  Even if we weren't being personally threatened, what are we, the civilized world, supposed to do?  Stand by and watch while members of our human family are raped, tortured and murdered?  Is feeling good about ourselves and basking in a fragile, ignorant peace truly virtuous if we are ignoring evil to do it?

If you still insist on thinking Islam is the religion of peace, I'm sure your heart is in the right place, and your desire to be tolerant toward every religion is commendable, but positive change cannot come about without cold examination of the facts. 

The fact is it is wrong to kill a woman just because she was raped to "restore the family honor".  It is wrong to cut your wife's nose off because she committed adultery.  It's wrong to decapitate your own daughter and carry her head around the village saying, "Look, I restored the family honor" because she had pre-marital sex.   It is wrong to put women in jail to protect them from their husbands, while the husbands who abused them remain free.  I wish I was making these stories up, but I'm not. 

Here are more links about how life is under Islamic law in the darker areas of the Middle East -

The Fate of Infidels and Apostates Under Islam -
www.iheu.org/node/1540

Human Rights of Women in Iraq -
www.iheu.org/node/1306

"Women all over Afghanistan are still being murdered, raped and imprisoned with impunity."  
- Amnesty International

"Many people outside the country believe that Afghan women and girls have had their rights restored.  It's just not true. Women and girls are still being abused, harassed, and threatened all over Afghanistan, often by government troops and officials."

- Zama Coursen-Neff, Co-author of the report and counsel to the Children's Rights Division of Human Rights Watch



My parents are from Belfast, Northern Ireland.  I've visited Belfast many times over the years.  I remember being rushed away from unattended cars and other areas where police suspected a terrorist might have left a bomb.  My relatives in Ireland have lived in fear all their lives of people who handle their grievances by attacking innocent civilians, so perhaps I have a special disgust for terrorists because of that.  But I also have a special insight into that mindset for the same reason.  And another irrefutable fact is that hatred is learned.  I heard a small boy in Ireland ask his father, "Who are those people I'm supposed to hate, daddy?"  That's how it works.  Here's a perfect example.





From
www.littlegreenfootballs.com/webblog/?entry=3346

This little girl in Gaza is taking part in a "graduation exercise" in a kindergarten run by the "Islamic Charitable Association".  The blood on her hands is meant to commemorate the lynching of two Israeli reservists in Ramallah.

Golda Meir said,
"There will be peace when the Arabs love their children as much as they hate others."

Arabs throughout the Middle East are brainwashing and poisoning the minds of their own children in the service of their own hatred and bloodlust.  This is particularly true of Palestinians, where the majority of parents can think of no higher purpose for the lives of their children than making homicide bombers out of them.  (They are usually called suicide bombers but I think homicide bombers is more accurate.)

For more on the intentional mental poisoning and programming of children (yet another form of child abuse in the Middle East), visit - 
www.betar.co.uk/articles/betar1059578683-php

In an interview, a Palestinian child said, "I hope when I get to 14 or 15 to explode myself."  Obviously, any sane mother would discourage her own children from committing suicide for any reason.  On the contrary, this boy's mother smiles proudly and pats her son on the head, eager to help him realize his dream - the dream she and his other hate-filled relatives planted in his eager-to-please, young mind.  His mother even has a toy "suicide bomber" costume in the living room.  She lets her son practice pulling the pin on the grenade while she serves tea to a visitor.


I'm not saying in this article that we should hate or kill anyone.  God knows I don't want to repeat the cycle of hatred and vengeance that has created the crushing fear and despair in many parts of the Middle East.  To assume the opinions expressed here are some racist diatribe or to write them off as religious intolerance would be to make the most elementary assumption possible.  This is not aimed at peaceful, good-hearted, tolerant Muslims.  It's aimed at the Muslims who are using the words of the Koran to justify their own hatred and bloodlust.

It is the responsibility of every person who thinks of him/herself as a humanitarian to protest human rights abuses in this "global village".  We need to make enough noise to hopefully awaken the collective conscience of the Muslim fascists/terrorists/insurgents, assuming it hasn't been completely destroyed by all their seething hatred of the west. 

Hopefully, we will also awaken the conscience of those Muslims who silently condone the actions of Muslim terrorist groups, and make them meditate more deeply on whether or not Islam truly deserves it's self-proclaimed title of the "religion of peace".  But mainly, I hope the good Muslims of the world will rise up against the bad ones, make them stop destroying the image of their religion, and help prove the virtues of Islam to a very worried world. 

After all, it is the responsibility of every humane human being to do something about that which he or she has become aware of.  Though I have grave doubts due to the blindly fanatical mania of fundamentalist Muslims, I hope that someday the accumulative pressure of good people everywhere - Muslim and non-Muslim - will finally break the stranglehold that Islamic extremism has had on its own people, and now the world.

Peace.

Mark





Additional sources -

Afghanistan:  Women Still Not “Liberated”
Police Abuse, Forced Chastity Tests, and Taliban-Era Restrictions in Herat
www.hrw.org/press/2002/12/herat1217.htm


Afghan Women Scarred by “Hidden” Abuse
news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/3543147.stm


Afghan Women Under the Tyranny of Fundamentalists
www.rawa.org/women.html


Aghan Women Still Suffer Abuse
news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/4592697.stm

Islam debate video - this woman couldn't have said it better.

www.vidilife.com/index.cfm?f=media.play&vchrMediaProgramIDCryp=C58E26FF-DDFE-40AF-85AB-C&ratedFlag=1


I've received a few attacks on this piece by people accusing me of religious intolerance.  After misinterpreted everything I wrote in this article, insulting me in every way she could think of, and engaging in some first-rate Christian-bashing (though I'm not a Christian and it was totally irrelevant), my most vocal critic made these revealing statements:

It's Muslim terrorists who are ruining my life!
Muslim terrorists are the reason people throw trash at me!
Muslim terrorists are the reason I can't get a job!

It was then that I realized her hypersensitive and irrational criticisms had nothing to do with this column.  I was just the skapegoat for all the non-Muslims she felt persecuted by.  One would think this would make her angry toward the terrorists who are giving Muslims a bad name.  No, the white, conservative male got it once again.  (The only safe and acceptable target of intolerance these days.)

Anyway, I would like to share with you a few responses I received from some clearer thinking people here on AP who read this in the same spirit in which it was written . . .

"I'm sorry that they're attacking you.  But it's a religion they've believed in their entire lives and it has become part of their identity. If something is wrong in Islam and you highlight it, it feels like you're telling them that a part of their very personhood is wrong.

Normally, if I find something wrong in myself, I change it. But they've got other people who don't find anything wrong with it to account to as well.  So they're backs are against the wall by this article.

Change can only come when a people realise that something is wrong.  And since that's a bitter pill for most people to swallow, I suppose it's expected that they'd give you hell! lol!

John the Baptist was a voice crying in the wilderness.  Many people were saved because of him.  And many people hated him.  But that doesn't change the value of what he did or how many people he helped.

Jeremiah as well was given hell by people, for telling them what they were doing wrong.  They only realised his worth after he was already dead!

So . . . you are no different, Mark.

Keep on giving righteousness and true virtue a voice.  If you have been wrong about anything so far, you're human and God knows that.  He also knows the nature and state of your heart and that all you have done and said has been geared toward positive change.

I love you for bein you.  You are not alone.  Cheer up.  And pity the people who have yet to reach the point (and who many never reach it) in the journey of growth that you have."


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"This is certainly a well-researched essay, Mark, and I greatly appreciate all of the work that you must have put into it. I read every word, including all of the comments and your replies. I certainly wish there could be peace in this world, that women would be treated as equals of men, that all of the nations and religions could live together in harmony and respect, that people would no longer attempt to force their own will upon others, that everyone could enjoy a good standard of living, without anyone having to live in fear ever again. I hope your words, and the people who read them, can help the world to move in that direction."

~Charles~

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Mark,

I just felt compelled to send you a message after spending the past hour or so trawling through both yours and XpatiencegraceX's columns and every comment on each.  

When I read your column for the first time, I didn't see it as bashing the Muslim faith, but more of an observation, and probably a good rant against, the treatment of women, etc., in some Islamic countries, why perhaps people act that way, why terrorists act, why some Muslims are silent against it, etc.  I never saw it as having a go at anybody's faith.

Yet reading that girl's responses, she seems to have just interpreted you as a Christian, which I've seen you've said you're not, and then she made that column which pointed out all of the sexist comments in the bible, etc.  Yes, it's true they are there, but also the topic of your column was not to do with that - and what she perhaps doesn't realise is that Christians, or most of them, aren't treating 'their' women the same way that some Muslims are.  Sure, in history it happened but you were talking about what is happening today and why it is still happening.

Anyway, I know I made no contribution to anything there, but reading everything just moved me to say I admire, respect and fully believe in what you've said - I think you're very brave and in no way 'ignorant' as some people have said.

Bella

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A must-read -

Where are the Moderate Muslims?

Sunday, March 12, 2006

Once I read that the number of Germans directly involved in the Holocaust — giving orders in Berlin, building the infrastructure of the death camps, rounding up victims, piloting trains, releasing the gas, hunting down escapees and so forth — was 100,000.

In 1939 the population of the Reich was 80 million, so slightly more than one-tenth of 1 percent of the Germans were actually involved in murdering Jews.

Yet, somehow, I never see anyone trying to clear the German volk of the guilt of the crimes of Hitler's "tiny extremist minority." No, the verdict of history is that all Germans share the burden, because all Germans let it happen.

Today, many progressives in the Western world try to explain away crimes committed in the name of Islam. A Google search for the apologetic phrase "tiny extremist minority" turns up 252,000 results. Why is not the passive Muslim majority held to the same standard as the passive German majority?

And just how tiny is this "tiny" minority anyway?

Let's look at what some of the world's 1.6 billion Muslims believe.

In 2003, Nawaf Obaid, a Saudi national security consultant, surveyed 15,000 Saudis. Nearly 50 percent supported Osama bin Laden. Last July the Pew Research Center found that 51 percent of its sample of Pakistanis place confidence in Osama, and 60 percent of Jordanians support him. Is 60 percent a tiny minority?

The Pew Center also found that in Lebanon, support for suicide bombing in defense of Islam is 39 percent of its sample, and in Jordan it's 57 percent. Is 57 percent a tiny minority?

In October 2003, the Palestinian Center for Policy and Survey Research in Ramallah found that 75 percent of Palestinians in its sample supported the bombing of the Maxim restaurant in Haifa that killed 23 people, mostly Jews. Is 75 percent a tiny minority?

The London Telegraph reported in February that its ICM poll showed 40 percent of British Muslims in its sample favor applying sharia law in predominantly Muslim areas of the country. Is 40 percent a tiny minority?

In Turkey last year, a publisher issued a new $3.50 edition of "Mein Kampf." Previous editions cost $7. In the first quarter alone, the book sold more than 50,000 copies and reached the best-seller list drawn up by the D&R bookstore chain. Does a No. 5 book represent a tiny minority?

According to the Pew Center, large majorities of Muslims strongly dislike Jews in nations such as Morocco, Indonesia, Pakistan and Turkey. But it's hard to top Lebanon and Jordan, where the unfavorable rate is 99 percent. Who knew 99 percent could be a tiny minority?

A poll carried out by the London Guardian last year said 13 percent of British Muslims in the sample would support another 9-11-style attack on the United States. Another 15 percent were not sure. I wonder: Were these 15 percent really not sure, or did they simply choose to disguise their true feelings from a pollster?

The Muslim Council said the poll showed that the "overwhelming majority" of British Muslims "abhor" terrorism. That would be 72 percent opposing another 9-11, vs. 28 percent willing to consider it. There are more than 1.5 million Muslims in Britain, so 28 percent translates to 420,000 people who might be pleased to see more Americans leap out of blazing towers or definitely would be pleased to see more Americans leap out of blazing towers. I am not reassured.

A YouGov survey carried out for the London Daily Telegraph last July showed that 6 percent of British Muslims in the sample believe the 7-7 bombings were fully justified. Six percent is indeed a minority, but it's not quite a tiny one, and it's still 90,000 people, if the sample is translated to the entire target population.

Another 56 percent of British Muslims in the sample said they can understand why the bombers acted. Eighteen percent feel little or no loyalty to their country. Thirty-two percent believe "Western society is decadent and immoral" and "Muslims should seek to bring it to an end."

Seventy-three percent say they would inform the police if they knew something about a planned terrorist attack. This sounds nice, doesn't it? That "overwhelming majority" again. Until you realize it means that 27 percent of British Muslims would not inform the police of an imminent attack.

Last October a university in the conservative Turkish city of Diyarbakir released a survey on honor killings. It showed that 37 percent of the men and women in its sample believe that if a woman cheats on her husband, she should be killed. Another 21 percent would spare her life and just cut off her nose or ears.

The United Nations says there are 5,000 honor killings every year in the Muslim world. The London Guardian reported in November 2004 on a survey conducted by the Egyptian government that found that one in three women has been beaten by her husband. Eighty-six percent of the women in the sample regarded this as normal.

A large majority of women believe that refusal to have sex with their husband is grounds for a beating. In the survey reported in the London Guardian, 26 percent of women in their 20s responded they believe they deserve a beating if they burn dinner. Forty-two percent believe they deserve a beating if they spend too much money. Sixty-five percent believe they deserve a beating if they talk to another man.

I find these numbers frightening. Well-armed with facts and logic, you might be able to convince me that the "tiny extremist minority" of Islam is indeed a "minority," strictly speaking. But a "tiny" minority? I'm afraid I just don't buy it.


Here's a comment left on a blog by a Muslim in Iran.  It's a perfect glimpse into the mindset I describe here.

"hey you mother fucker you dont understand the concept of ISLAM it is the one true way to becoming free and when you dont know anything about being a muslim dont go aroud the web talking shit you fukin white american mother fuker . yes the iranian population does not like to be called arab because we areant thats as simple as that i would know because im a iranian SHIITE MUSLIM  and im proud to be musllim and i am prepared to die for the sake of ALLAH. the ayotollah khomeini was a great religious leader and had a whole coutry under his palm the fukin gay ass carter administration was scared out of there mind when we took hostages so fuk you.  we will kill you american swine ALLAH AKBAR ALLAH AKBAR ALLAH AKBAR ALLAH AKBAR ALLAH AKBAR ALLAH AKBAR ALLAH AKBAR .

hey you fukin american piece of shit when you do not know any thing about ISLAM then dont go on the web talking shit you dont understand that ALLAH is the one true diety and yes of course the iranian poulation (not the persian ) does not like to be called arab because we are not its as simple as that you fukin american bastard and to reply on what you said about the AYOTOLLAH KHOMEINI he was a geat religous leader who had a whole country under his palm he also had the gay ass carter administration scared shitless when he took hostages and about women most people do not understand why they were the higab i dont want to go on and on so tell me something how many women are raped in the muslim world to how many are raped in the rest of the world it is almost zero fukin zionist piece of shit.

IRANIANS WILL KILL AMERICANS  fuk america and fuk you MUSLIMS AROUND THE WORLD ARE PREPARED TO DIE FOR THE SAKE OF ALLAH are you fuk you american swine ALLAH AKBAR ALLAH AKBAR ALLAH AKBAR ALLAH AKBAR ALLAH AKBAR ALLAH AKBAR ALLAH AKBAR ALLAH AKBAR ALLAH AKBAR!!"

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The main article that led me to write this -



FIVE QUESTIONS NON-MUSLIMS WOULD LIKE ANSWERED
By Dennis Prager

(Dennis Prager's nationally syndicated radio show is heard daily in Los Angeles on KRLA-AM (870). He may be contacted through his website: www.dennisprager.com)

"The rioting in France by primarily Muslim youths and the hotel bombings in Jordan are the latest events to prompt sincere questions that law-abiding Muslims need to answer for Islam's sake, as well as for the sake of worried non-Muslims.

Here are five of them:

(1) Why are you so quiet?

Since the first Israelis were targeted for death by Muslim terrorists blowing themselves up in the name of your religion and Palestinian nationalism, I have been praying to see Muslim demonstrations against these atrocities.  Last week's protests in Jordan against the bombings, while welcome, were a rarity. What I have seen more often is mainstream Muslim spokesmen implicitly defending this terror on the grounds that Israel occupies Palestinian lands. We see torture and murder in the name of Allah, but we see no anti-torture and anti-murder demonstrations in the name of Allah.

There are a billion Muslims in the world. How is it possible that essentially none have demonstrated against evils perpetrated by Muslims in the name of Islam? This is true even of the millions of Muslims living in free Western societies. What are non-Muslims of goodwill supposed to conclude? When the Israeli government did not stop a Lebanese massacre of Palestinians in the Sabra and Chatilla refugee camps in Lebanon in 1982, great crowds of Israeli Jews gathered to protest their country's moral failing. Why has there been no comparable public demonstration by Palestinians or other Muslims to morally condemn Palestinian or other Muslim-committed terror?

(2) Why are none of the Palestinian terrorists Christian?

If Israeli occupation is the reason for Muslim terror in Israel, why do no Christian Palestinians engage in terror? They are just as nationalistic and just as occupied as Muslim Palestinians.

(3) Why is only one of the 47 Muslim-majority countries a free country?

According to Freedom House, a Washington-based group that promotes democracy, of the world's 47 Muslim countries, only Mali is free. Sixty percent are not free, and 38 are partly free. Muslim-majority states account for a majority of the world's "not free" states. And of the 10 "worst of the worst," seven are Islamic states. Why is this?

(4) Why are so many atrocities committed and threatened by Muslims in the name of Islam?

Young girls in Indonesia were recently beheaded by Muslim murderers.  Last year, Muslims — in the name of Islam — murdered hundreds of schoolchildren in Russia.  While reciting Muslim prayers, Islamic terrorists take foreigners working to make Iraq free and slaughter them.  Muslim daughters are murdered by their own families in the thousands in "honor killings."  And the Muslim government in Iran has publicly called for the extermination of Israel.

(5) Why do countries governed by religious Muslims persecute other religions?

No church or synagogue is allowed in Saudi Arabia. The Taliban destroyed some of the greatest sculptures of the ancient world because they were Buddhist. Sudan's Islamic regime has murdered great numbers of Christians.
Instead of confronting these problems, too many of you deny them. Muslims call my radio show to tell me that even speaking of Muslim or Islamic terrorists is wrong. After all, they argue, Timothy McVeigh is never labeled a "Christian terrorist." As if McVeigh committed his terror as a churchgoing Christian and in the name of Christ, and as if there were Christian-based terror groups around the world.

As a member of the media for nearly 25 years, I have a long record of reaching out to Muslims. Muslim leaders have invited me to speak at major mosques. In addition, I have studied Arabic and Islam, have visited most Arab and many other Muslim countries and conducted interfaith dialogues with Muslims in the United Arab Emirates as well as in the U.S. Politically, I have supported creation of a Palestinian state and supported (mistakenly, I now believe) the Oslo accords.

Hundreds of millions of non-Muslims want honest answers to these questions, even if the only answer you offer is, "Yes, we have real problems in Islam." Such an acknowledgment is infinitely better — for you and for the world — than dismissing us as anti-Muslim.

We await your response."

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  • xVowsareSpoken
    April 2, 2006
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    Mark, I think you like to ignore the hard facts that I give you. What don't you get from me saying I'm a Muslim woman? What don't you get from me saying I'm an Arab who's been to the Middle East countless times? I've walked in the streets by myself and I've never had rocks thrown at me. The media actually isn't Liberal. It's bias. Just like you, and just like the "information" you have stated in this column.

    And you have no right telling me that I should live up to my name. My name is what I am, and you know what? You don't know me, so don't go judging me. I've seen you get angry when someone does that to you, so why would you go do the same thing? You make absolutley no sence.

  • Ember Rose
    April 2, 2006
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    Mark, to do this posting justice I will for now wait until I have read all the links listed in your piece. Beautiful photos by the way as the camera rarely lies. You seem to have certainly rankled many who have read this, though I have serious doubts that many have gone to the links contained to read before commenting. Hope you do not mind the wait for a more concise comment. One must weigh all pros and cons and be coherent about their own comments, without judging the effort of the work. rose

    By the way, I applaud you for posting your stand and that I was priveledged to come across a think piece.
    Edited on Apr 02, 11:52 because 'The part of the beheading, by the way should be redone. Nick Berg - videotaped beheading...if you do enough research, though it is an actual beheading, it proved to be of someone else.'.

  • Marissa Ann Scott
    April 2, 2006
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    Oh Mark, of course I'd be considerate! You're right about the horrendous crimes being perpetrated in the Middle East. Amputation sounds good... but if you didn't put that limb there who the hell gives you the right to take it away!?

    But I'd have to say you're wrong about the West being any better because of our laws. We all know of the women who got restraining orders against abusive husbands. When the husbands came back and killed them... that little paper didn't do a damn thing! And while you may say, "well the husband is usu prosecuted" I'd have to say, "the woman is already dead." His punishment doesn't bring her back. The law was put there to protect. It failed.

    And the fact that a law prohibits something... lol! Here in the West there are some real talented people called "lawyers" who don't find it even a tad difficult to get off a guilty man by belittling an innocent one when money is waved below thier noses. The guilty roam here as freely as the innocent do. But on that topic I must say that you've wrote about that and high-lighted it.

    That's another thing I must commend you for. You treat your own country as harshly for it's failings as any other. I understand your anger well. My last column (plz read it) was written the same way and many people foudn fault. They found that I treated the US harshly and I did. Truth isn't always candy-coated and pleasant. And some adults need to grow up and see that!

    Lastly, women are the nurterers of this world. We teach our children before anyone else does. And so the power of freedom is more in our hands than many of us women realise. And that is a point that many forget.


    Marissa.


  • sidewinder silver member
    April 2, 2006
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    everything you have put... links to dealing with a funtalmentalist point of view. not one point has shown from all points of view. And you expect us to take this as fact?
    Edited on Apr 02, 8:01 because ''.

  • sidewinder silver member
    April 2, 2006
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    the point is conservative thinking got us in this damn mess in the first place. I don't deny that changing the world isn't worthy ambition. but you show me prove that they really care.
    oh they pat the miltary on the back...as long it's not them who is doing the fighting. and excuse me when did Bush fight for his country? do I have a problem with FAT conservative polticians who rest on their laurels. as an American I do have the right to call a thief .. a thief.
    Edited on Apr 02, 7:19 because ''.

  • Mark Rickerby gold member
    April 2, 2006
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    "And pardon me for thinking that you were a conservative christian when I seen you bashing the Koran and calling it evil. Even I have more common sense than that. I don't agree with many faiths. But I try not insulting them."


    I backed up my "bashing" of the Koran with numerous articles, which some cowardly liberal here who couldn't hold his own in an argument reported to moderators to have removed, so I just provided links to them instead. I'm sure you haven't gone to any of the links because I know how much libs hate facts and research, but my opinions were heavily influenced by the Islamic authors I cited.

    I will insult anyone, anything, and any religion that justifies, condones, or at the very least, does not condemn oppression, torture and murder. The Koran is a study in contradictions, but there are plenty of passages that state, directly or indirectly, that women are inferior to men, and those passages are used by evil men to justify all manner of cruelty toward them.

    Basically, I think religion is the biggest problem the world has ever had. All religions. They've caused more harm than good. I live my life as an agnostic teetering on atheism. I believe if people don't do it, it doesn't get done. Maybe that's where some of my desire for positive change comes from. I know no divine force is going to wave a magic wand over us. To change a problem, we must first identify the problem. Unfortunately, to do so, one must endure the attacks of people who mistakenly assume I am some venom-spitting racist, which, in this instance, requires ignoring the fact that my anger is inspired by compassion for Muslim women. But yeah, I'm hateful. Whatever.

    I have the moral certainty and courage to say "that's wrong", even at the risk of being attacked by people like you who don't take the time to look deeply into my motivations or find out who I am. But you stay on the safe and comfortable road. I'll keep upsetting the cart. I want to help change a few things before I die.




  • Mark Rickerby gold member
    April 2, 2006
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    I've thought things through plenty. The problem is you "damn" libs think too much. Sometimes people need to be stopped, and if it was up to people like you to stop them, we'd all be dead right now. You'd still be trying to understand the terrorists' pain while they were lighting a bomb under your ass.

    The war for oil argument is a dead issue. If we wanted Iraq's oil, we could have taken it without invading the country. Hussein was already under our control. Your beloved fratboy Clinton wanted to take Hussein out of power, too. He even proposed it to Congress but was denied. Kerry thought it was a good idea, too, until it was politically convenient for him to slam Bush for doing the same thing he wanted to do. What do you think about that? Or are facts like that too uncomfortable for you to acknowledge?

    Secondly, before you start suggesting that I'm less educated than you, learn how to spell. How does one reach the age of 50 and still spell like a 6th grader, anyway?

    In all honesty, Bush's ties with oil make me very uncomfortable, but that has fuck all to do with this piece. There are a lot of things I don't like about him, and America in general - the porno industry, for example. When I see the way sex is devalued here and young girls are fed through the meat grinder of the porno industry, I can understand how some Muslim living under fundamentalist Islamic law can think we're the "Great Satan". Our treatment of women is almost as deplorable in a different way. The only difference is American women are choosing that path and most Muslim women have all their paths chosen for them. America is also awash in fantasy violence, and the crap Hollywood spews ends up poisoning the rest of the world, too. Our murder rate is deplorable, too. I'm not blindly patriotic. I know we have big problems, too.

    However, this particular piece is about the abuse of women and children in Islamic culture, not the war in Iraq that you keep bringing up. Try to stay on the topic.

    Many Islamic scholars have agreed that the installation of democracies throughout the Middle East is the only way that the grip of tyranny affecting 46 of the 47 Muslim dominated countries will ever be weakened. Excuse me for not taking your word over actual Iraqi's, but I tend to put more importance on the opinion of people like the old Iraqi man who had just voted for the first time in his life and said, "God created America to bring freedom to people like me." You probably missed it because our liberal news media laments any progress in a war lead by a Republican president. Their hatred of Republicans is stronger than their desire to help oppressed people.

    Do you really think that conservative politicians don't care about the death of hundreds of thousands of people? That statement alone makes you unworthy of talking to - to assume that other people have no heart whatsoever just because they are not in the same political party as you is just plain ignorant.

    Who are you to say people don't want us to help them? How do you know the deepest desires of people living in horror societies, people who have seen their loved ones raped and shot in the head by Islamic police? Over half the population of Iraq risked their lives to vote. Did you miss that? If they didn't want our help, the biggest statement they could have made would have been staying home, but they didn't. They went out despite attacks by insurgents - their own people. They had nothing to fear from our soldiers. They still don't. They lived under Hussein for thirty years knowing they could be killed at any time for any reason, even for something as trivial as having a yellow flower in their garden. (A color Hussein hated.) Don't assume you can speak for them, and whether or not they want our help. THAT is arrogant.

    Again, the war in Iraq is off the topic. If you can prove to me that women's lives are just peachy under Islamic law, I'll mow your lawn for a month. Otherwise, stop wasting my time.


    Edited on Apr 17, 10:23 p.m. because ''.

  • sidewinder silver member
    April 2, 2006
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    And pardon me for thinking that you were a conservative christian when I seen you bashing the Koran and calling it evil. Even I have more common sense than that. I don't agree with many faiths. But I try not insulting them.

  • sidewinder silver member
    April 2, 2006
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    alright Mark...
    I won't call you friend.
    but when will you damn conservatives realise that your Damn interference in other countries has consequences?
    Or did you forget that Bush was a friend of many middle eastern shieks ...corting their oil and anything that they can get their hands on. Then when it bites them in their ass.
    they want to deny anything that they get involved in.
    and it's just not muslums that have a major problem with US foreign policy. there are MANY other countries that have the very same attitude. They say US get the hell out and mind you own damn buisness. you think forcing democracy is the cure all for everything. and frankly it's not. yes I hate that children and woman are being abused. but are you really that neive.. thinking that conservative politicians give a Damn about them?
    They DON'T!
    It's no wonder we are hated throughout the world.
    And people like you and me when we do travel are treated with distain. Why? because of things that our politicians do.
    it wonderful to want to protect others... but when you live in this world of reality we can't always. especially when they don't want us to.
    Or did you forget Vietnam and how we got our butts handed to us?
    sometimes I wonder about the idealiogy that conservatives have.
    when they don't think things through.
    And before you tell me that johnson and kennedy caused it... which in many ways they did... they weren't the only ones.
    and I can show you as many major conservative mistakes made throughout history. so don't tell me that librals are main cause for problems in the world.
    Deal with the consequences of your mistakes instead of lying about them! and yes I'm making a generalization about conservatives.
    Edited on Apr 02, 3:48 p.m. because ''.

  • Mark Rickerby gold member
    April 2, 2006
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    I agree, and that is the entire point of this article. Thanks, Criss.

    I hope you're having a nice weekend.

    Mark

  • SeptemberFaith Greeters member
    April 2, 2006
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    I dont always know what to think about what is going on in our world these days, however, I know that the abuse of women and children, for just being women and children is wrong. I believe in everyones right to have their own religion, I think every relgion has the same God, they just call him something different, but I do not believe it is right for someone to use their religion as an excuse to do horrid things.

    Criss

  • Mark Rickerby gold member
    April 2, 2006
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    Thanks, Marissa.

    What really brought on this post is the accumulation of anger I've felt from hearing one story after another come out of the Middle East about UNPUNISHED violence against women. Someone here said there are crimes against women in America, too. Any idiot knows that. The difference here is we have laws against it and when it is proven that a man hurt his wife, he is severely punished for it. In most of the Middle East, men can maim or even kill women and get away with it scot free.

    For instance, honor killings are very common. Women are beaten to death for adultery, for not being virgins on their wedding night, for walking alone, and even for destroying the "family honor" because they were raped.

    Recently, a 12 year old girl in Afghanistan was told she was going to marry a 35 year old man, someone she had met and was repulsed by in every way. She cried and said she wouldn't marry him, as any little girl would. Her father beat her but she would not submit, so what do you think he did? He cut her nose off so that nobody would ever want her. Nice, huh? Unfortunately, that story is very common and always has been in the Middle East.

    Muslim apologists say tribal tradition is to blame for this behavior, not the Koran, but there are just too many passages in the Koran that are either clearly mysoginistic or at least open to misinterpretation for men who want to have power over women. And let's face it - power is the ultimate goal of most men.

    Anyway, thanks again for being in my corner on this one. I know you don't agree with everything I wrote but I appreciate your considerate tone - something many around here have trouble with apparently. lol

    I hope you're having a great weekend.

    Mark





  • Mark Rickerby gold member
    April 2, 2006
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    sidewinder,

    Don't call me "my friend" since your initial, hard-hearted comments clearly prove you don't know what the word means.

    I know how much liberals hate to do research but if you would have bothered to look at my previous responses, you would have seen that I'm not a Christian. In fact, I think that all religions have been the source of immeasurable suffering throughout history. All religions have blood on their hands. Unfortunately, Islamic extremists are the current problem. 47 of the 49 Muslim dominated countries are tyrannies. Maybe you can explain that to me rather than just trying to insult me. (Keyword - trying.)

    I would love to live in peace. Who wouldn't? Unfortunately, there are bad people in this world. Always have been. I'm not daring anyone to fight. The Islamo-fascists brought the fight to us witht he first attacks on the towers, the attack on the U.S.S. Cole, the two American embassy's, and of course, on 9/11, and they have continued their bloody assault on the west with over 2600 attacks since 9/11. So who is picking the fight again? I really don't understand your thought process.

    We're not fighting "intolerance", we're fighting naked aggression against us and our international allies, the countries that have earned a seat at the table of civilized nations by observing human rights that have been universally agreed upon. So what are we supposed to do when one story after another comes out of the Middle East, often with photographic evidence, of horrific abuse, usually of women and children? What would you do if you saw someone beating a child to death? Would you stop it or tap the man on the shoulder politely and try to talk to him about what made him so angry? Personally, I worry more about the child than the psychopath trying to kill it. If you don't stop and punish evil, you end up with a society full of well understood barbarians.

    The problem is that liberals see life as a battle between the rich and poor, and conservatives see it as a battle between good and evil. Liberals want to analyze evil people. They labor under the delusion that those evil people will suddenly break down in tears and become hate-free after a lifetime of brainwashing - most of it religion based. It doesn't work that way. Again, it's right there in the "holy" Koran. Kill any infidel who won't convert to Islam. Period. How can you reason with that mentality? Look at the poor guy who dared convert to Christianity in Iran. He was almost executed for it, and would have been if the eyes of the world weren't on the case.

    Aside from the issue at hand, I wish to God you liberals could learn to express yourself without being insulting with comments like "use that brain of yours instead of sitting on it". It's undignified for a 50 year old man and reveals a lack of intelligence. I never draw first blood around here, but I don't put up with BS from inferior minds, either. I have the courage to state my case and say, "That's wrong." I'm not advocating nuking the entire Middle East. I'm saying what a lot of people are saying who have taken the time to study the "religion of peace" - changes need to be made.

    You're right, Islam does mean "peace", but again, there have been over 2600 terrorist attacks by radical Muslim groups around the world since 9/11. Clearly, fundamentalist Muslims should start trying harder to live up to the word.


  • Mark Rickerby gold member
    April 1, 2006
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    Jasmine,

    You really should try to live up to your name a little more. You're not exhibiting much "patience" or "grace". And I find it hard to believe that you're not getting angry when you use the word "ignorant" about 357 times in one response.

    "I'm going to ignore your ignorant ignorance and not let you ignorantly annoy me, you ignorant ignoramous!" lol

    I always love that "good day" at the end of comments, too. You really know the person thinks they got you good when they sign off with that one. haha

    Unfortunately, you're arguing purely from emotion and not wisdom. You haven't given me any evidence to contradict any of the claims I've made in this column. I know it's politically correct to stamp out anything that even remotely resembles religious intolerance, even at the expense of our own safety, but the fact remains that fundamentalist Islam is horribly oppressive, and even more unfortunately, it dominates most of the Middle East. I would suggest you take a trip there for a few months and see how long your bleeding heart liberal mentality lasts when you're on the receiving end of such abuse. Go walking alone and have a few men hit you with sticks and rocks. I'm sure you don't know it, but that's what happens to women walking alone in most areas of the Middle East.

    Another thing you are IGNORANT about is the fact that the American media is very liberal like YOU. My facts aren't derived by what I've seen on the news. They're derived from the fact that I've been to the Middle East. Have you? They're derived from scholarly study and reading first-person accounts. Where do you get your facts from? The answer is your heart, not your brain. It's good and right to fight intolerance, but all I'm presenting here are facts with photographic evidence. There are thousands of progressive Muslims throuhout the Middle East who agree that something needs to be changed. That's what the civil war there is about. Many Muslims are sick and tired of living under the tyranny and oppression of politicians and Muslims who conspire to keep the common people suspicious and - your favorite word - ignorant.


  • xVowsareSpoken
    April 1, 2006
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    Mark,

    Your endless comments of ignorance have ALMOST caused me to be angry, but then I remembered... Who are you to get me to hate you? Why should I taint my soul and blacken my heart? I certainly wouldn't do such a thing due to such an ignorant man who continues to reveal his ignorance more and more.

    In one of your comments you have said

    "Do you even bother reading my comments, or do you have a comprehension problem? I have said over and over again that there are good Muslims and bad Muslims. The problem is the religion is so deeply flawed that even most of the good ones aren't very good by most of the world's standards. There are truly virtuous Muslims, but they are a vast minority. And again, where is the Muslim uprising against Muslim terrorism? Do you see it? I don't."

    You continue to tell people to stop making assumptions, but that is exactly what you are doing. Unless you have visted every Middle Eastern country, unless you have spoken to nearly all of the Muslims that are on the planet, then you have absolutley no right to say what you have said. The world's standards? What the heck are you talking about? Everyone should live for their own standards, not everyone elses. The Middle East doesn't have that standards that the US has. You're correct. Women do wear skirts and tank tops in the Middle East. But you know the difference between them and some of the women here? They actually do it with taste. They don't do it for attention, they do it because it's their fashion.

    The good Muslims in the world are NOT "a vast minority." There you go again, contradicting yourself. You have absolutley no idea about what you are saying. You're blind. You're blinded by the American media, and by your ignorance and hate. That is why you don't see the Muslim uprising against terrorism.

    You need to get your facts straight. You only see what the media has offered you. You don't live in the Middle East. You are not an Arab American. You are not a Muslim. Unless you have walked in the shoes of one, then you have absolutley no idea about the hate and words of anger that are aimed towards you daily when you have done absolutley nothing to deserve it. Nothing but follow your faith, excersising the right that America has given us.

    You seem to have your mind closed, and your eyes, and have opened your ears and your mouth. You hear what you want to hear, and ignore everything else. There is no point in anyone trying to help save you from your pure ignorance.

    Good day.
    Jasmine

  • Marissa Ann Scott
    April 1, 2006
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    Oh Mark, *hugz* I came back to your page to see how your article tickled the "almighty americans" on this site. With all the "bomb them dead" attitudes I am surprised they actually have the hypocrisy to shoot down your write! With all the "every American soldier is an angel on earth" attitude I'd have thought they'd applaud the somewhat negative perspective of Islam that u have high-lighted. That just goes to show you... you cannot please these people.

    Something touched me deep that you said. "I don't think most people really know what is going on - and has always gone on - in most parts of the Middle East" SOOOOO TRUUUE! for the entire world. A child gets beat up (and sometimes raped) by her drunken father every night in the apartment next door to some of these foul- mouthed, bird-brained hypocrites (who live in the U.S.) And they ignore it as being "none of thier business" With that attitude it is no wonder that domestic violence remains a stinking part of our "civilised" society... how can you even think they'd care what happens in other parts of the world?? ha! They can't see past thier own noses!

    Another applause for your educating people. And my heartfelt support while others cut you done for unintelligent, selfish and hateful reasons.


    Marissa.

  • sidewinder silver member
    April 1, 2006
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    my friend... it is you radical christians that get on your bandwagon.... marching christian soldiers as we go to war!!!!
    that give christians and other faiths who want to LIVE in peace a bad name.
    you're like a bully on the street...daring someone to pick a fight. how do we fight intolorance?
    by using hearts...and learning about other cultures through education. instead of blindly hollaring like it was the old west.... if you don't get out of town by sundown. come on use that brain of yours instead of sitting on it. you say that I go use a bong. how little do you know me. By the way ...doesn't Islam...in their language mean peace?
    Edited on Apr 01, 4:44 because ''.

  • Mark Rickerby gold member
    April 1, 2006
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    sidewinder,

    In the real world, as opposed to the fantasy world you and most liberals live in, war is sometimes necessary and even good. You may not have noticed, but there are some very bad people in this world that want to kill you and your entire family. They would laugh at your tolerance while they cut your throat and piss all over your corpse. It is clear that you have never witnessed evil and have no understanding of it. Save your little attempts to insult for someone who takes your kind seriously. Arguing with ninny's like you is like taking candy from a baby. Your naivete is a constant source of amusement for me. Maybe when one of your relatives gets killed by a terrorist, you'll have a little more desire for justice. This is naked aggression and not just against us but against many people all over the world. 47 of the 49 Muslim dominated countries are oppressive hellholes rife with human rights abuses. What's your suggestion for changing that, or for preventing future terrorist attacks in America? Like most liberals, you criticize but make no suggestions about how things could be done better. If you're capable of having an intelligent debate, bring it on. Otherwise, go back to your bong.


    Edited on Apr 01, 4:24 because ''.

  • Mark Rickerby gold member
    April 1, 2006
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    I write article, stories and poems here, then I send them elsewhere. This site is a starting point for me where I get feedback on my opinions, writing style, etc., as it is supposed to be.

    Before evil can be destroyed, it must be identified. I don't think most people really know what is going on - and has always gone on - in most parts of the Middle East. Because there were no videocameras until recently, the rest of the world hasn't been aware of all the atrocities committed in the name of Allah, but now we are. How long are we supposed to ignore it now that we're aware of it? Not just America, but all nations that consider themselves humanitarian? Certain quotes read at an early, formative age shaped me forever. One of them was, "When any man suffers, it diminished me, for I am a part of mankind." (Paraphrased.) When I see a woman getting stoned for something men slap each other on the back about, I take it personally. When I see children abused or innocent civilians (anywhere in the world) blown to bits, I take it personally because we're both human. I don't say, "Thank God it wasn't me." I say, "Somebody needs to stop these maniacs."

    There's an old poem that also profoundly affected the way I think. I don't remember it exactly right now but it went something like this -

    I heard they were coming for the Jews
    but I was not Jewish so I did nothing to stop them.
    I was happy just to be alive.
    Then I heard they were coming for the Christians
    But I was not Christian, so again, I did nothing.
    Then they came for the Catholics, and Buddhists, and Muslims.
    Finally, they came for me
    And there was nobody left to help me.


    That's the basic gist but my point is it's not good enough to shake our head and say "That's too bad" when we see evil in the world. This is one little way of doing something. About 50 people have read this post. It's a start, but I'm far from finished.

    I'm not "finding reasons to hate and fight". There are times in this world when it is unavoidable. The terrorists brought the fight to us, remember? They declared zero hour on 9/11, and they've been too busy running and hiding behind women and children to pull off another major attack in the U.S. ever since.

    Since yet another requirement Mohammed made of good Muslims was to kill anyone who speaks ill of Islam or Allah (which is why the Danish newspaper and Denmark as a whole has been receiving thousands of death threats from Muslims for the anti-Islamic cartoons), I could be putting my life in danger by posting my thoughts here. Anytime an Islamic psychopath uses the word Islam or the term "religion of peace" as an internet search term, they may arrive at this page and decide to try to kill me. I'd say that's putting my money where my mouth is, wouldn't you?

    By the way, if any Islamo-fascist ever does read this, bring it on. I'm not a female flight attendant. I'm a black belt and a well-armed sharpshooter. Cutting my throat won't be so easy.

    Thanks for toning down your insults. I appreciate it.

    Mark

  • sidewinder silver member
    April 1, 2006
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    Maybe we should handcuff You and the president together....put a gun in both your hands...send you over to Iraq and say have at it.

  • sidewinder silver member
    April 1, 2006
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    Mark...
    People like you are the reason the US went To war.
    Intolorance period

  • Laura Lamarca gold member
    April 1, 2006
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    Ok, now you get my honest opinion. Remember a short while ago, there was a Danish newspaper article joking about Muslims? The Danish thought it was mild humour but the world was up in arms about it. That could also happen with a piece such as this. My point being, Mr Rickerby, that this serves as a distraction; a topic for discussion, debate, argument, anger and possible revenge. And what do all that serve to these women and children? It serves nothing! For while men find more reasons to hate and fight, women and children suffer the brunt of it. If you are serious to help those people, there are much better ways than this one. This serves only to cause a reaction and that reaction certainly isn't a positive one. You're a smart man Mr Rickerby, use your potential where it really matters.

  • Mark Rickerby gold member
    April 1, 2006
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    Hi Dee,

    Thanks for your comments. It's so nice to receive a comment from someone who may not agree with me completely but is still respectful. I never, and I mean never, strike the first blow around here, but some people can't seem to resist taking shots at me for the audacity of having a firm opinion about something. Liberals hate people who think in moral absolutes because to them, everything is relative. Not to me. No way. There's right and wrong, and I know the difference.

    Thanks again. Have a great weekend.

    Mark

  • Mark Rickerby gold member
    April 1, 2006
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    "So your saying that every muslim is one and the same? And that they all are like this and believe the same things? Is that what you're saying to me?"

    Do you even bother reading my comments, or do you have a comprehension problem? I have said over and over again that there are good Muslims and bad Muslims. The problem is the religion is so deeply flawed that even most of the good ones aren't very good by most of the world's standards. There are truly virtuous Muslims, but they are a vast minority. And again, where is the Muslim uprising against Muslim terrorism? Do you see it? I don't.

    I don't "slam" anyone without being slammed first. Your comment was full of classic liberal snippiness and I responded in kind. Sorry if you don't like smelling what you're shoveling.


    "When my opinion doesn't conform with yours you should accept it that I am different from you. Your opinion doesn't necessarily make you "right"."

    You might want to meditate on that yourself before coming at people you disagree with with a lousy attitude and condescending insults. If not, expect your own backlash.

    And a good day to you! lol


  • Laura Lamarca gold member
    April 1, 2006
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    Oh, and Mr Rickerby, before slamming me with your own opinions go and read me. Maybe then you'll have some idea of the heat of fire you spit. I already have visited your page and poetry, I've read you many times and as said in my first comment - "something I didn't expect with this piece". I would normally have considered you a fair man. There are 2 sides to every argument, I feel it would've been more appropriate to have done that with this. You displayed this work here, you must expect the backlash and remember we all have different opinions and we each have a right to those opinions. When my opinion doesn't conform with yours you should accept it that I am different from you. Your opinion doesn't necessarily make you "right". Good day to you Mr Rickerby. Laura Lamarca

  • Laura Lamarca gold member
    April 1, 2006
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    So your saying that every muslim is one and the same? And that they all are like this and believe the same things? Is that what you're saying to me?

  • Mark Rickerby gold member
    April 1, 2006
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    Laura,

    Totally amazed by your comment. Unbelievably inaccurate.


    "To generalise is quite small minded and something I didn't expect with this piece. Extremists are the problem not Muslims."

    In almost every case, I put the words fanatical, fundamentalist, or radical in front of "Muslim" when referring to the fascists/terrorists/insurgents, etc. The tendency of liberals to twist words to suit their own put-downs never fails to amaze me. I wasn't generalizing at all. I know there are good Muslims, of course. I'm talking about the idiots who can't help blowing everything up they don't like. Isn't that obvious?

    Liberals are also the first to start name-calling, like "small minded". I think it's small minded to not give a crap about suffering in other parts of the world.


    "Women and children are abused within communities and families every day in America and England, but I don't hear you pleading for anyone to help them. Improve your own corner of the world before you stand in judgement of another's corner."

    This particular post is about suffering in the Middle East. My next might be about something happening here in America or in England. Evil is evil. In fact, many of my posts are about problems here in the U.S. Do a little research before "generalizing".

    "If you were to redo this and include a proper argument and proof to back up what you say instead of personal opinion, then someone might actually take this seriously."

    I provided plenty of "proof" with the articles I quoted, the photographs, and the links I provided. If you want to turn a blind eye to them for the sake of feeling happy, that's your problem. By the way, plenty of people took this seriously. In fact, it was promoted voluntarily because someone thought the message was important. Apparently, human suffering is trivial to liberals like yourself.

    "But it's my personal belief that you've written this simply for the attention it will bring you here at AP, that in my opinion is sad indeed."

    First of all, I have strong opinions and I state them. Evil a-holes who torture women and children piss me off, so I put something on the internet to state my case. It's my way of venting and feeling like I'm doing something about it. "Attention" is the furthest thing from my mind, though I do like a good debate and am interested in hearing what other people have to say, as long as they're not nauseating put-down artists like you.

    Why do you post your work here? Probably not for attention, right? You're much too noble and virtuous to want somebody to read and comment on what you write. lol What a joke. I hope you shed your liberal guilt complex someday and actually have an opinion about something other than how bad people are for having them.

    Edited on Apr 01, 3:03 because ''.

  • Mark Rickerby gold member
    April 1, 2006
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    iohagh,

    I'm sorry you were abused but how do you know what I have or haven't been through? Don't make assumptions about people you haven't even met. That's called ignorance.

    "I also know the difference between your spin and the truth. You give us facts and those facts are largely true but you don't say or prove to any intelligent reader that Muslims are evil or that the Koran is like an evil text."

    My facts are "largely true" but I didn't prove them? Isn't that a contradiction? I guess you didn't read all those direct quotes from the Koran I posted. I have since removed them because some liberal panty waist who couldn't win an argument ticketed this post so that it would be removed, but all the "evil text" was right there in black and white if you had bothered to read it.

    You sound very young so I'm not going to beat up on you, but for the sake of helping you shed the American guilt complex the liberal media has apparently infected you with, I'll address your comments.

    "Maurice Bucaille, a French Philosopher, though you might not like the French either, wrote a book the The Bible, the Koran and Science that led to the Pope about 20 years ago to appologize to the Muslims for the same type of hate you are replicating as logic."

    I don't apologize to maniacs. And you're assuming again that I hate the French. I lived in Paris. I love the French. I just don't happen to think they're very moral or courageous, but they treated me wonderfully, and I them.

    "As a Catholic child at the time I remembered that one day we were taught by nuns and by pastors Muslims were soulless devils, demons, damned to Hellfires and the next they were like Christians and Jews as just followers of the same God."

    All religions say that about followers of other religions. It's part of the game plan for power. You won't catch me defending Catholicism or Christianity, either. I think they're all a bunch of horribly unhealthy fairy tales that have been used to justify a lot of evil throughout history. Our current major problem is the Muslims. Everywhere people are being slaughtered, there's some idiot yelling, "Allah is Great!" I'm sick of it and don't understand anyone who isn't.

    "I thought then as I do now that it is not our stupidity about them that causes so much problems but rather our arrogance to attack the wrong people who never harmed us while letting that maniac who did attack us live to attack us another day."

    Here we go again . . .
    Hussein DID have WMD's. He said he did, he blocked and kicked out U.N. inspectors constantly who were searching for WMD's (arousing suspicion about what he was hiding), and he USED chemical weapons on his neighbors. What further proof did Bush need to believe he had WMD's? Think about it - do you think Bush really wanted to be embarrassed by NOT finding them? Remember when Geraldo found Jimmy Hoffa's secret room and had a live TV show of the moment he knocked down the wall, only to find a few old beer bottles? It was almost 20 years ago b