The Necessity of A Supernatural Divine Intelligence
This world is much too complex on all levels to have fallen together by chance any more than anything we make comes about that way. There must be a planner, a plan, and production activity following the plan. There is a purposeful plan in all that exists in nature, a plan of a supernatural (i.e.- outside of nature) Designer for whom the evidence of massive creative intelligence is everywhere in everything displayed down to the details.
Even what we consider our own "inventions" are but discoveries of what was possible from the beginning of time with Intelligent creation of our material universe containing the potential for everything that has happened since -- all placed in it to be developed over time (our fourth dimension) by us within the structural limitations of God's natural laws allowing all things to work in an organized manner.
Intelligent Design
In everything there is reasonable evidence for an intelligent Designer of nature. Everything that exists, man-made and outside of man-made (natural) things DID NOT fall together by chance. If that were true things wouldn't be breaking, --- they would be fixing themselves.
There are cycles to life, birth and death, with reproduction (possible) in between. The cycle of life and death allows for evolution, yet we are not intelligent enough to be able to design the kind of minerals, plants, and animals we find in nature, and there is no evidence in the fossil record of gradual transitions between species as required by the Theory of Evolution.
As for the injustices, this is obviously a corrupted, or imperfect, world. Why? Philosophers and theologians call it the "problem of evil" and we don't know why the original, ultimate origin of evil was allowed. It seems to be integral to a process God created to produce love, which requires the volition of free choice. Why are we here at all? It stands to reason there is a reason for the Colossal Intelligence who made nature (which includes us) to have done it. Jesus said uppermost and foremost, it is all about LOVE.
Ellis
For it to work we must design anything we create within natural laws we did not create but must have been themselves designed.
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I love it- very good
This was powerful, and truly an awesome poem, I believe there is a God in Haven, I believe that Jesus was born of a virgin birth, I believe Jesus died and rose again and I believe that is why we are here. 
I think I get the just of what you are saying here, this poem is powerful and makes one think about where there heart is not just the mind.
Thank you for sharing this wonderful poem.
Richiesnanan
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This world is much too complex on all levels to have fallen together by chance and must have been created by gigantic, god-like aliens from a galaxy far far away.
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its all a bit deep for me,but you have a nice point of view.
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Well you certainly got a response.I agree with Anthony, very well written but not poetry.I think as human beings we are not meant to know all the answers but we can FEEL them.I do believe there have to be ruling forces.Spiritual forces.God is just a name that we human beings use.There are spirits of protection, angels, another of our names,and of course spirits of evil.We see all these forces at work in our daily lives.Without evil there would be no good and vice versa.
Whatever we believe I feel it is up to each and every one of us to strive to live the best life we can.Not for fear of retribution but for the most important thing of all LOVE, Ros -
Thought Provoking
This is an extremely heartfelt write, I can tell by the fervor in your tone. It is not a poem or freeverse. It is more like a religious flyer and much too complex for a child to understand. I find no fault in the piece per se, but your only "proof" is your faith. Your "faith" is your only proof. You can make an intelligent arguement for natural selection as well. Time will tell, I suppose, as with all other discoveries of natural phenomena that were once thought to be of supernatural origin. Thank you for a thought provoking read. -
hi dear Ellis.This time you've offered us another wonderful piece.No matter what you write about,they're all perfect and to the point.
I don't know why the atheists can't see these things and come to the same conclusion.
That's really a question in my mind with no real answer.You've written here a wonderful piece,much better than any religious essay.
I think if there was no sadness,desease or evil in the world,we'd never come to appreciate happiness,joy,health and goodness.All things exist in a wonderful balance in this world.That just depends on how we look at it;to see the empty half of the glass or the full half of the glass.
Wish you always the best.
Shahrzad -
Your defense of the philosophy of Intelligent Design is laudable. I accept its possibility. However, you do it a great injustice by starting out with a judgement rather than a logical proposition. Simply saying that life is too complex to have occured by random chance is a judgement. Someone could say, "No, it isn't," and then you'd have nothing to go with but an opinion. You make many unsupported judgements in this, such as this selection:
"In everything there is reasonable evidence for an intelligent Designer of nature. Everything that exists, man-made and outside of man-made (natural) things DID NOT fall together by chance. If that were true things wouldn't be breaking, --- they would be fixing themselves."
Someone could easily counter this by saying that they might be fixing themselves at a pace that we can not percieve. As TwistaSista2006 said, "One day of our time is not one day in Creator's time. Man has defined day. Creator did not." Perhaps the creator is the great deity of Chance.
These are the types of things you must consider before writing about something so philosophical and religious.
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Intelligent design is flawed on so many levels. First, the idea behind evolution is not that things just came together and worked right away. If an organism is not suited to its environment, it becomes extinct. All the other complex organisms in this world didn't just magically appear, they slowly developed over millions of years.
Also, the intelligent designer is thought to be "perfect" in basically every religion. It is illogical to assume that a perfect being would create imperfect things (not in the sense of evil, but that eye sight goes bad, hearts fail, diseases, etc.)
"and there is no evidence in the fossil record of gradual transitions between species as required by the Theory of Evolution." That part is just wrong, I see no reason to comment on it.
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Wonderful!!
I respect and applaud your view. I found your writing convoluted and enigmatic [as it should be] yet apropos. It lays out, quite emphatically, our natural desire for deeper meaning...in search of a truth that we can wrap our minds around.
Because I cannot comprehend, or cope with, a world without the notion of a higher purpose, I am inclined to agree with you that we exist because of love; a great and terrible force of natural desire in which, only faith in god[s] or the pursuit of an awakened state of mind (regardless of religious doctrine) will quench.
Cheers!
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So where did the planner come from?
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Seems like you've taken St. Aquinas's (and I'm sure I've mispelled his name) argument and recycled it. There's nothing wrong with this argument; in fact, it's my philosopher professor's favorite argument for the existence of God. However, I couldn't help but consider that our conception of complexity and intelligence stems from our own human notions and limitations. We cannot step outside of what we have experienced, and if we have been only exposed to our own universe and what we have discovered of it and compared it to what we have discerned of the world around us thus far, then everything, of course, seems very complex. But that is all from our perception. The design of the universe may, in actuality, be a very natural gathering and congealing of particles, star stuff, and such, and to our minds it is very intelligent in its design... I cannot really form intelligible thoughts right now, but I hope I've managed to get a bit of my point accross. Good job, though!
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Although this is an emphatic statement it is not qualified and supported. We could all make blanket statements which sound strong and right but it is weak and possibly true. "This world is much too complex on all levels to have fallen together by chance any more than anything we make comes about that way." Zero possibility of something is a strong statement. Our existence may be highly unlikely but however small the probability it is there and thus we can happen.
I do not claim proof of either. It is which premise offers us the greatest possibility of further analysis and investigation into how we developed. If the theories genetics and evolution are wrong it will eventually falter and a new, perhaps your theory may take its place. However, the science of genetics has enabled us so far to understand various aspects of biology and we have uncovered many new ways of imprving life and reacting to the new results. So as yet it does not matter whether these theories are correct but what is important is which theories have been best able to be create, improve and develop technologies to benefit the world, understand the workings of biological life and allow for new ways to understand how we work
Your opinion is sylogistically consistent but can not be defined as proof, merely a strong argument for ID.
Not sure I found poetic form and content in this poem.
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wow, it was really powerful, but i'd rather not say anymore. it's nothing bad, but i know that this is a touchy subject!
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But which came firsst; the chicken or the egg?
Your theory just as much proves that we are all just subroutines in a computer which we could no more understand than Mario from the NES game understands our lives as it does that there are such things as gods.
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I totally agree with your outlook on this issue...
You state that:
This world is much too complex on all levels to have fallen together by chance
You could not have said that any better.
Where else in the universe has it been made to fit man more perfectly. Everything on earth as been created for man to survive. God's gift to us.....Water to quench our thirst. Fruit of the land to help nourish and the sun to light our days, to warm the earth. The Bible even states which meats we were to eat and if you stop and think about it, they are the only meats that are considered actually helthy for us........sea foods and what is of the heavens.....creatures that fly (with exceptions)...
YES!! This world is much too complex on all levels to have fallen together by chance
Ok just had to put my two cents worth...
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your way >>>>Sandy Sandy
LEVITICUS 11:1-30 "And the LORD spoke to Moses and Aaron, saying to them, 'Speak to the children of Israel, saying, ''These are the animals which you may eat among all the beasts that are on the earth:
Among the beasts, whatever divides the hoof, having cloven hooves and chewing the cut that you may eat.
Nevertheless these you shall not eat among those that chew the cud or those that have cloven hooves.
the camel, because it chews the cud but does not have cloven hooves, is unclean to you;
the rock hyrax, because it chews the cud but does not have cloven hooves, is unclean to you;
the hare, because it chews the cud but does not have cloven hooves, is unclean to you;
and the swine, though it divides the hoof, having cloven hooves, yet does not chew the cud, is unclean to you.
Their flesh you shall not eat, and their carcasses you shall not touch. They are unclean to you. (Isa. 66:17)
These you may eat of all that are in the water: whatever in the water has fins and scales, whether in the seas or in the rivers that you may eat.
FOWL: And these you shall regard as an abomination among the birds; they shall not be eaten, they are an abomination:
the eagle, the vulture, the buzzard, the kite, and the falcon after its kind; every raven after its kind, the ostrich, the short-eared owl, the sea gull, and the hawk after its kind; the little owl, the fisher owl, and the screech owl; the white owl, the jackdaw, and the carrion vulture; the stork, the heron after its kind, the hoopoe, and the bat.
INSECTS: All flying insects that creep on all fours shall be an abomination to you.
Yet these you may eat of every flying insect that creeps on all fours: those which have jointed legs above their feet with which to leap on the earth.
These you may eat: the locust after its kind, the destroying locust after its kind, the cricket after its kind, and the grasshopper after its kind.
But all other flying insects which have four feet shall be an abomination to you. ......
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wow
that was... impressive
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not a poem
You have written this very well for what it is. Preaching. I would love to say this piece has poetic value - but I see none. It looks like a piece written for a creationism paper. A simple column to be published in a magazine. Again - you have written the piece very well. Although I must say. I've done research on what you have written and even attended creastionism seminars. The fossil record contains far more than what the christians scientists want it to. As for evolution itself. I believe it takes tens of thousands of years for the slightest change. This is where the non christian scientists fail. From what I have seen both sides are wrong and it would be a far better world if they would both learn to work with one another rather than against each other. Then maybe the real truth would be found. I'm sorry if I haven't critiqued this piece the way you would probably have liked me to. But again - this is a poetry site. This is not a poem. --- PeAcE -
thoughtful and insightful
Faith without works is dead. Works without faith is dead. Everything is created first, in spirit...that is the potential for discovery and invention.
We need not evidence if we have a firm belief in time being eternal. One day of our time is not one day in Creator's time. Man has defined day. Creator did not.
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this is very deep and very well written. usually when this, or something like this is put before me to read, i get lost about two lines down. i did not do that with this piece. thank you for that. viyanna r langager
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Certainly will give people something to comment on here - I believe this, but I know others don't. Well written - good back up for your ideas.
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This is quite impressive, I like this way of looking at it, you did an awesome job on this piece. I loved it, awesome awesome. This was a pretty awesome piece. and I agree fully.
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