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What is Forced Rhyming?

Someone just told you that your rhyme 'sounds forced'. What the heck do they mean by that?!! Here are the answers.
It seems there may be some confusion and resentment going around regarding the usage of the words 'forced rhyme'.  It is not an epithet or a slur on your name, I promise you! It is possible for rhyme to sound 'forced' in a poem, though if someone was going to tell you that it was forced in your poem they ought to give you examples of what they're talking about.

We consider a rhyme to be forced:
1when the arrangement of words is twisted around to put a rhyming word at the end of a line when it would normally be in the middle of the line somewhere,
2.when a person extends a line beyond reason to put a rhyming word at the end of the line,
3.when a person uses a tone inappropriate for their poem to get a rhyming word,
4.when a person inserts a line that doesn't really go anywhere or mean anything to get a rhyme for another line, etc.

For instance:

1. I love you more every day that I live.
If you were in trouble, my life I would give.

This is not normal speech.  Normally we would say 'I would give my life if you were in trouble.'

2. I rode out to Texas on a palomino horse,
With a promise on my lips that I would bring law to this town, even by force.

Whoa!  Check out the length of that second line!  It's a mile long!

3. He jerked the bloody hook into the cow,
and said, "I would not want to be thou."

The violent aggressiveness of jerking a hook into a cow, meant to shock the reader, doesn't really agree with using archaic language like 'thou'.  There wasn't much of an animal rights movement in the Middle Ages .  Maybe a movement for people' rights to have enough animals to eat...

4. Cradle the razor like a baby to your arms,
Nurture the wounds as flocks upon your farm.
*Coffee-crotch burn litigation is absurd.
Let blood replace your tangled, jangled nerves.

*the offending line.  What does McDonalds'  lawsuits have to do with cutting, or the cathartic effect of such poetry?


Here's another case:

5.Rhyming a stressed syllable with a non-stress syllable can cause a forced rhyme:

I rhyme so much, I start to sneeze;
and from my nose I blow cookies!

The 'ies' in cookies is a non-stress syllable, while the 'eeze' in sneeze is a stress syllable.  When you say it out loud, the rhyme is kind of awkward.


If you can think of different cases where rhyme may be forced, I will happily add them to this column (and credit you).

Thank you.

Mike


Here's another example of #1, thanks to Scott Adelmann

Syntax reversed odd is and abounds,
oh, Lord, just like Yoda - funny it sounds.

Now that's just a mess!  I know some of you like Yoda, but you gotta be short and green to pull that off.  Any of you short and green???This was taken largely from a discussion on the group boards of 'Legitimate Contest Holders'.

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  • Florida Sunshine
    August 30, 2008
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    I actually never saw it that way. I do understand how twisting the line to make it fit. I did do that to get the word to rhyme. The word that was 'naturally' at the end, didn't have a decent rhyming word to go with it? So, my question is what do you do in that situation? -- .... maybe make a difference sentence. [?]

    I really never saw it this way-- but now I do you've enlighten me!


  • Sandra R Reynolds gold member
    January 24, 2007
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    great

    this is one part of the lesson I hope I remember.


  • dustookie2
    April 19, 2006
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    very well done

    .. these columns are great because they simply put the point across in such a manner not only easy to follow but makes sense and at the sametime educational....there are a number of young poets on this site and what a nice way to guide them through the process of poetry and keep their interest and attention....think we should all read the column ....brilliant and thank you


  • BloodyJuliet
    January 22, 2006
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    Excellent

    Thank you, you have made a column about what Ive been saying for ages. I escpecially hate when people use forced rhyme in dark poetry. Its like mixing mother goose with Edgar Poe. Its just horrible, and I think way too many people (perticularly younger poets) just do not grasp the concept of an even, flowing tone. I love this column, thank you so much.

  • Zealous
    January 20, 2006
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    I like to read this write up quiet a bit.
    For some reason it has a calming effect on me.
    I think I commented on it before, the points are fair and this peice should be circulated around the site.


  • January 19, 2006
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    Great Article

    I cannot help it, it is true
    I must rhyme I must RHYME so.. I do!
    I don't know why I feel this need
    But without the rhyme I bleed!!!

    Yes yes, I know poems don't have to rhyme. But mine generally do. Have I EVER forced a rhyme? Probably. I'm also trite, repetetive and generally insane.

    However, the points in the article were well made! I may go on forcing rhymes for the rest of my days, BUT, I can't say I was not warned, right?

    I like to THINK I concentrate on the meaning, and the meter - but if so, why does every poem rhyme, eh?

    Teri Jo


  • between slices
    January 15, 2006
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    :)

    Great examples you've written... or rather... shown!! We've heard 'forced rhymes' everywhere, used them in many places, but often, we tend not to know exactly what they are. These specific details are a helper to everyone. They give a broad insight to 'forced rhyming'. Very informative... Great! Thanks loads! It's definitely helped me out in their understanding!


  • pugsleyislove
    December 30, 2005
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    Very informative. Someone said my ryming was forced on one of my works. I really didn't see it but I suppose they were just trying to help. Thanks.
    -Hate


  • Mari Goes gold member
    December 5, 2005
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    I like writing free verse, but I do use rhyme as I write some specific form as Triolet or Villanelle. I try to keep my rhymes very natural, and if I can't make it, I rather forget the form
    This is a very interesting column, for those who like to rhyme and for those who like to call every rhyme forced.


  • DarkChildsKiss silver member
    December 3, 2005
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    This is honest and can help people like me. I do a lot of number two and some of five. I can't seem to keep my flow when I rhyme but I hate the way my poetry sounds when it doesn't. So I'll take this column in considersation but I ask one favor from you. If you have time could you please read my column and tell me what you think.

  • Stat1c
    December 3, 2005
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    I've been reading a lot of other poets work, but I seem to get sometimes stuck in the rut of trying rhyme when it's not always necessary, I just want my poems to flow..Any tips on this?


  • Heart Sutra
    November 29, 2005
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    This is interesting and useful, especially to people around here that need it! I hope they read it! I guess rhyming poems are in the category of either you love them or you hate them, and no where in the middle. In my observation it is the one form everyone gets tangled up about around this site, well that, and sonnets. I enjoyed this column and I will be reading more of your work soon.
    Zayra

  • Zealous
    November 22, 2005
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    Hey Hey!
    I like this!
    I have a thing agaisnt rhyming poems.
    Mainly because my first few poems I wrote rhymed and they are WAY too embarrasing to re-read.
    Besides poetry isnt about rhyming!!

    Well done!!
    Excellent!


  • yourbentangel
    November 20, 2005
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    I have been acused of this exact thing, but I had no idea what they were talking about. Thank you very much for posting this, now I know what I need to go fix.....


  • JustWords
    November 19, 2005
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    I think,
    to make a poem rhyme
    takes way too much time...

    Hey!! I'm a poet, and don't even know it!!

    ... sorry about that... `Got carried away.

    Thanks for the perspectives.


  • Jackle silver member
    November 16, 2005
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    Very informative with some fun in it!!

    Thanks for thee read on forced rhymes. Some interesting points!
    I have read alot of free verse with great rhyming. I just write from my heart from the south, so sometimes mine may sound wrong!
    Thanks!


  • -Miss-Samantha-
    November 16, 2005
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    that was an awesome explanation of forced rhymes. great point dude. now i know that i shouldn't force rhymes. and i shouldn't be like yoda.... heeehee. thats awesome.

    love autumn


  • The MisSin Truth
    November 15, 2005
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    very good tips

    these were all good examples.
    my own poetry contain alot of 1 and 2, and in scribe it does seem "forced rhyming" but you all must also take into account that as the authur reads it out loud it may not seem forced at all. i write slam poetry, and pieces for the sole purpose of spoken word, being that i have a "urban" style, the delivery of my words is big. i know for a fact that my poetry most likely sounds a mess to the readers but if i read it to them it would flow beautifully. i always try to specify if the particular scribe was made only for the mic. some people have this issue. they write how they articulate, which if it truely is art, the expression depends upon all aspects of the writer, weather or not that is "ebonics", bad grammar, or seemingly backwards sentences. also alot of caribbean and latin peoples speak english, but in a jumbled kind of way. i think that alot of critics call these things bad grammar and such, but they don't take into account that through this, is further expression of the authur. its kind of hard to explain.
    i do think these are very good points for those of us who are seeking to have perfictly constructed scriptures. though i must say, artistic expression should never be correct nor incorrect.

    Edited on Nov 15, 8:30 p.m. because '**'.


  • J Rhys Davies
    November 15, 2005
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    Yep, I dig it. I love the humor in this, as well as the basic educational value. It makes its point but with a light touch. I’m glad that I could finally take the time to read this. I may even try to apply it to my own writing.

    ~ John


  • Jaded Lily gold member
    November 14, 2005
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    Great piece. I can think of a few people that could benefit from this but I fear they would enjoy your examples more than the advice. Great job, and thanks for sharing.

    Lily


  • nick -
    November 14, 2005
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    i agree with genielassie-- if you, Christopher Harder, think that free verse is the only acceptable form of poetry, then just do it and try to refrain from giving pubilc and inexperienced judgments on other forms.

    Also, I'd like to make a compromising point: it IS possible to write free-verse AND rhyming poem at the same time.

    allpoetry.com/Poem/1633109


    Edited on Nov 14, 9:17 p.m. because ''.


  • duana
    November 14, 2005
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    Could you please include the link to the board? If not, could you send it to me? Thank you. Great column.

  • JM Kenyon silver member
    November 14, 2005
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    Oh no, not you dear, a comment on my comment:

    Christopher Harder 6 hours ago
    philosophy(theory)is the only fact to believe 4 critiques, 12 poems. said:
    free-verse is the only way to write.
    rhyming no matter how subtle it is to
    be seen, is always somewhat forced.
    rhyming is completely easy (reply?)

    Sorry for the confusion s ~genie~


  • Mephitic ID Synergy gold member
    November 14, 2005
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    Hi genielassie. I'm not sure what comment you're replying to... As far as doing a column on structure in free verse, I really don't believe I'm qualified to do it. I haven't studied poetry all that much. All I could speak with would be unwarranted opinions...

  • JM Kenyon silver member
    November 14, 2005
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    so do it


  • x Charlotte x
    November 14, 2005
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    on you comment about rhyming being easy and forced. It depends on what you preffer, some rhymes, such as shakespeares used in his sonnets sound great and are used in some of the most famous and best poems in the world and his plays. Sonnets for example are meant to rhyme and this gives them their characteristics, its easy for you to say that rhyming is easy but its obviously not if so many people get it wrong, in shakespeare for example their is a hidden message behined his rhyming, a half rhyme on a line about relationships can show a half relationship etc. Yes rhyming is forced because its done diliberatly but you could just say that about every word in free verse also, every word is made up to sound right to. Your comment stating that free verse is the only way to write is rather narrow-minded
    Edited on Nov 14, 1:27 p.m. because ''.


  • x Charlotte x
    November 14, 2005
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    but its about using it in a way which sounds right.

  • x Charlotte x
    November 14, 2005
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    maybe if thats the word you are looking for you should think of another way of saying it or edit your poem to say it in a better way so that it doesnt sound forced. Its not about using a word you werent looking for, even if you use the word you wanted to use and its meant to be there it can still sound forced,

  • Judas Christian
    November 14, 2005
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    while it's certainly understandable that some folks want to defend example #1, rearranging words awkwardly is a problem. it's fair enough to call it poetic license, which it is, but it also manifests as a stretch for rhyming, as given in the example. twisting words around in a yoda-like fashion is not particularly a classical flair, though thinking of it that way certainly eases the reality that the poem has just been weakened by a misplaced rhyme. likewise, the absence of rhyming verse in a writer's resume does not indicate that the writer is unfamiliar or inexperienced with that style of writing. if anything, it simply indicates a desire not to rhyme - no more, no less. at the end of the day, people will write however they want and call it poetic license, and that's fair. just don't be surprised when you get similar commentary from editors.
    Edited on Nov 14, 1:01 p.m. because 'i felt like it'.


  • Seyloren
    November 14, 2005
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    I've been told I force my rhymes some times. But that's just how it's always flowed for me. If it takes more than 3 tries to rhyme... it's not worth trying This was really helpful


  • November 14, 2005
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    Very well put, i think this will put alot of minds at ease now (including mine lol). Gr8 indepth explaination!

  • Christopher Harder
    November 14, 2005
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    free-verse is the only way to write.
    rhyming no matter how subtle it is to
    be seen, is always somewhat forced.
    rhyming is completely easy

  • EmeraldDaze
    November 14, 2005
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    I agree...number 1 is is kind of narrow-minded, I have read many poems that use that and they don't sound forced. It can be used(as Sins Of Passion said) to emphasize that line or idea. The rest of what you said I agree with completely.


  • Rainna
    November 14, 2005
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    I agree with Sins of Passion and genielassie on this one. Rearranging words is all up to the writer. Personally, that's how I write. I may not speak it everyday but that's how I think when I write, and I ALWAYS have! I used to get in trouble in elementary school because I wrote things in a different order than others. Example one is, in my opinion, a poor argument against "forced" rhyming. It depends on the writer. THe way it's written is prolly EXACTLY how the writer wanted it to be without forcing anything; and if the reader doesn't like it, they're free to comment on that. However, a comment can be just like an opinion and we KNOW what those are like! Sorry about bashing you column! Other than that one example, I loved it. My apologies if I sounded rude. ~Rainna~


  • Soul-2-Soul
    November 14, 2005
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    In my opinion the 1st example of rearanging words can be used as poetic license...my right to use it. the ability to re-arrange it can be used to emphasize a line, to have it stand out...which i have done, and not once have i had any one say my rhyming is forced. everything else stated just shows that people try to write something thats not them, adding nonsense and just writing without any purpose or thought into what they are writing. just my 2cents.

  • Mephitic ID Synergy gold member
    November 14, 2005
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    Hi genielassie. I think you're right about people misusing free verse. I think meter should be a consideration to some degree even in free verse. A bunch of stress syllables packed together is still a bunch of stress syllables packed together, whether they're in metrical verse or free verse.

    Thanks for your comment.

    Mike

  • JM Kenyon silver member
    November 14, 2005
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    I can't count how many times I've read similar writings. Frankly, I rhyme, I have always rhymed, I will probably rhyme forever. The fact is that free verse writers outnumber us, many of them never putting any effort towards trying to write the very thing they seek to stab, yet, feel themselves authority enough to bash it!

    I'll agree with 2,3 and 4 are partially with 5.

    I will not agree with 1 since many of us prefer to write with a classical flair. It's a deliberate choice. It might irritate a non-rhymer, but hey, there are a lot of things that irritate me about free verse poems.

    As for number 5,

    I rhyme so much, I start to sneeze;
    and from my nose I blow cookies!

    Any one who writes in iambic meter as you did in those lines UNTIL "cookies" would not make that error! Rhyme doesn't have to be written in meter and more than free verse has to be written in any semblance of structure! You have poems that rhyme in percision right down to individual syllables! (See the Ya-Du though it is not the only form that rhymes that way)

    Frankly, if someone wants to tell me how rotten I have done with my rhyme they had best have the material posted to back up their assumption that they know what my poem needs more tha I do. If I go to their page and search and find they haven't written a rhyming poem, well I am going to make assumptions too. That they have no idea what they are looking at, but since they are there they might as well write 100 characters or more and get some points.

    So, when will the column outlining what makes poor free verse come?

    ~genie~

  • ConkersMinion9
    November 14, 2005
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    I think this column is well written, but I don't need people telling me my rhyme is forced when I know that was the word I was looking for.

  • hopeofdreams
    November 14, 2005
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    informitive

    This is a great column. I have learned alot and I know that everyone else who reads it will too.

  • -Lost Words-
    November 14, 2005
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    I think this thing is very good. I agree...

    I'm tired so I won't make this long... good write. ^^

    Lian

  • TestedMettle
    November 14, 2005
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    This is great advice. I hope everyone reads and takes your words to heart, or rather to their writing.


  • -Hidden-
    November 14, 2005
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    Its fantastic to see someone reaching out to help those poor souls that dont really undesrtand how to un-force their rhyme. good job, i hope you dont get abused for your words cos they are very good ones!
    shell

  • alienangel
    November 14, 2005
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    yeah,sometimes rhyming is just difficult.Great article!


  • silica silver member
    November 14, 2005
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    Similar to stressed-unstressed is the Nash type classic twisted pronunciation –

    The rain falls on the just, and on the unjust fella – but more upon the just because – the unjust has the just’s umbrella!


    Tour de force¡!


  • Claide
    November 13, 2005
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    Mmm... As the metrics teacher, I'm glad that you pointed out number five. Accents and awkward meter both tend to influence forced rhymes. Very impressive!

  • Secret Sue
    November 13, 2005
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    good point there!!
    !Sue


  • Mephitic ID Synergy gold member
    November 13, 2005
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    Hmmm... Just wondering how this got re-syndicated...

  • Mephitic ID Synergy gold member
    November 13, 2005
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    Hello Mr. Vertigo. You are right that, in antiquity, many famous and successful poets forced rhyme. There is a movement in more recent times, however, towards poems that, when read out loud, sound like a natural expression of speech, and thus, forced rhyming is not liked by this school of thought.

    As to your comment about negative criticism, I am glad that you brought that up. I am currently working on an article about the difference between constructive and negative criticism (which are in direct opposition to each other). Hopefully it will be syndicated when I am finished. If so, I encourage you to then take a look at it.

    Thanks for commenting.

    Mike

  • CleverNameHere
    November 13, 2005
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    the only absolutely flawless way not to force rhyme is to not rhyme. But great column for those who would like to learn how to use rhyme properly.

  • ecrivain01
    November 13, 2005
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    This is a good column. I like the way you've presented it. However, I think you should put something in to let people know that some free versers will always say your rhymes sound forced, no matter what you do or what you say. They are constitutionally unable to admit that they don't know what they are talking about.


  • MadPoetyLady
    November 13, 2005
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    (lol) I tell people all the time that their rhyming sounds too forced and have never quite been able to tell them what I mean. Thank you so much for this, I may have to link this somewhere on my page...

    Hell Angel


  • Rose Dark Thorn silver member
    November 13, 2005
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    I'm guilty of the sneeze and cookies one. It's very hard to find a rhyme that works really well sometimes. Especially with form poetry such as rondels.


  • Kegger
    November 13, 2005
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    Ah, but the real question is, do you play the violin? (Cause the grasshopper in James and the Giant peach plays the violin.. and is awesomely awesome )


  • Grasshopper
    November 13, 2005
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    I am short and green. I am a grasshopper after all.


  • November 13, 2005
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    yes lets talk aobut "forced rhyming" this will be intersting. i havent been bombared with the "your rhyme is forced" syndrome like i have seen alot of ppl be on this site but i do have an opinion on it.

    i once entered a contest last year for forced rhyming. at the time i wasnt aware of what ppl considered forced rhyme. and for the most part, to this day im still not sure what it is.

    but i find it inetresting it seems to be a popular critisim on tis site.

    i wonder if many ppl are aware that some of the most famous poets in history forced rhyme. that to me i am not sure what the big deal is that ppl use it as a "critism"

    to me it sounds like something a jilted editor would say.

    and quite frankly, is used as often as it seems to be, would and should it not be clasified as a "form"

    same as "chat speak" of which many ppl on this site will not allow in their contests and yet will turn around and use it in emails, personal ims and chatrooms. ????? so is "chat speak not a forn umlike onamatopia or jabberwhocky? which is relatively used successefully in many childrens stories and poetry. dr suess, shel silverstein. or would we criticize their work as forced rhyming also.

    another thing we dont see on this site are tongue twisters. we do see limericks. and a limerick might be a perfect example of a forced rhyme.

    i guess what i'm trying to say here is that to "negatively criticize" a persons poem or any poetry as being forced rhyme is assine and ignorant.\

    thnnk you for this oppurtnity to rant.


  • catz Moderators member
    November 13, 2005
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    This is a very useful column, Mike. We've probably all (including me) been guilty of forced rhyme at one point or another in our writing and you're absolutly right about it sounding 'forced', sometimes to the point of being ridiculous.
    Although there's been a time or two when I've written something or seen someone else's piece, that another reader has referred to as 'forced', but to me didn't seem that way, so I guess at times it's a matter of the opinion of who's reading it and how they're reading it.

    This column is going in my bookmarks along with some other instructional and informational posts. You've done a good job with it and I appreciate the post

    Dee


  • sounds like rain
    November 13, 2005
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    Thanks for clearing all that up, I've been wondering for quite some time what people meant when they said "forced rhyme," although I know some people that do rhyme like the #1, and it's not that they're forcing things, it's just the way they like to write. I think a lot of people just don't like rhyming in general and use "forced" as a term for anything that rhymes. Hrm...anyway, I found this column very useful, so thanks again.

    -Meg


  • J.J. Sass
    November 13, 2005
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    Excellent!

    Excellent column! Many people have no clue what forced rhyme is, yet they constantly critique others' work, telling them how much the rhyme is forced. This clarification is sure to put a few things into perspective!
    Thanks for sharing, and best wishes to you always,
    Stacy


  • November 13, 2005
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    Okay, I agree with some of this although your first example from a lyrical perspective... just sounds better. Anyways, I find that people accuse other people of forced rhyming a lot because they simply don't like rhyming in their poetry. I do appreciate this column but I would also stress that whats important is that we just write from our heart.


  • autumns ashes
    November 13, 2005
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    informative

    Finally, someone's knocked the nail on the head, metaphorically speaking of course. It's hard to define when someone says it sounds 'forced', but this helps to explain the culprits and hopefully people will learn it doesn't help their poetry in any way! Thanks for this, it's very helpful
    Love Vicki x x x

  • quwip10
    November 13, 2005
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    It's about time somebody posted something like this. So many people ask me what it means to have "forced rhyme" and now instead of writing a lengthy response I can just point them over to this post.


  • lifeisjazzy
    November 13, 2005
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    hey, i really do forced rhyming at times, and i know this will be called truly making fun of oneself, but i would like to link you to one of my awful forced poems... here it is... allpoetry.com/Poem/1601662 please help me, because i am thinking of deleting this poem because it makes me feel idiotically idiotic!!! please give me good suggestions, and this one is for whoever reads this, and by the way, there is one forced rhyme example in the comment also, and the person has actually given why it is absurd... you'll love it the most!!!!! so i hope u have sympathies with me and you will help me. this syndication was no less than just looovely, so keep it up and help us the way u r doing... thanks a lot for making me realize how irritating forced rhyming can be!!thanks.... and i see the number of applauds... this one is worth them!!!

  • drdivinescorpio
    November 13, 2005
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    A poem without rhyme is the greatest crime.


  • Nocturne
    November 13, 2005
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    I loved the examples; they're clear and amusing, making me smile rather than wince. Those are things that people often do when they butcher rhyme rather than take the time to make it shine. But then again I don't do well in rhyme either.


  • November 13, 2005
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    Thank you. ^_^ I see a lot of people have read it..
    This is meant to be informative, and it really was. But i must admit it really made me chuckle with those examples.

    This is a good column that Mephitic ID Synergy has wrote
    It makes me want to milk a goat
    Now I have nothing else to say
    So thank you for posting this it's really good have a nice day
    Edited on Nov 13, 10:26 because ''.

  • meena krish
    November 9, 2005
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    Thank you for sharing this with us. It sheds light and knowledge. I would rather have people telling me why it is forced rhyme then just saying it. This is something to keep in mind. Thank you for the comments as well...take care~


  • MrsPepper
    November 7, 2005
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    Whoah!!

  • Arconalos
    October 31, 2005
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    forced rhyming can be a major problem but it must also be looked at in the sense of the poem itself such as when Hermes talks in the Illiad or Odyssey, or when the forced rhym actluy brings out an aspect or highlights a part of the work. Very good advice on this, just plying devils advocate.


  • -amykins-
    October 24, 2005
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    I'll be the first to admit that every so often I will force rhyming, particularly in the way that example 1 demonstrates.
    This is great, both informative and funny.
    Amy x


  • Keith
    October 22, 2005
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    There was a young man of Japan
    Whose verses they never would scan
    When they asked him why
    He replied, "Well, I try
    To always get as many words into the last line as I absolutely, possibly, can."


    They say that my rhyming I force
    Well, I would dispute that, of course
    Words I never will bend
    For it's right in the end
    Always to place the cart before the horse


  • ShadowStalker
    October 22, 2005
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    I always wonder what people mean when they tell me some of rhyming poetry sounds forced. Now, you've really helped me understand and I appreciate that!

  • CracklingAppearance
    October 22, 2005
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    I am short and green. But that's ok, for I am a queen.


  • Lyrical Soul silver member
    October 21, 2005
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    Too funny and so so true. I used to force rhyme....in kindergarten! No seriously, this is great. I was trying to explain forced rhyming to someone the other day who asked me what it meant and I used this example:

    I took my dog out for a walk.
    He broke his leash and ran away.
    I said to him "we need to talk",
    and then I patted his skin of clay

    Now is that forced or what?

    Anyway, too funny. You crack me up!

    ~Lyrical


  • kvwriter silver member
    October 20, 2005
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    Thanks

    Though I know I'm at fault for some forced rhyming, I know that you're right. Sometimes I just want to get the thought down, intending to go back and revise. But, I can be forgetful too. LOL! Thanks for sharing this insight!--Kel


  • wheezyanna
    October 20, 2005
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    I know I ought
    To give more thought
    To the way my rhyming goes
    But sometimes I'm caught
    And can find but nought
    So I might as well write prose.

    Nice advice
    Anne

  • colorful motivation
    October 20, 2005
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    that great cause sometimes poems can sound forced nice job keep up the good work

  • Psych0Zach
    October 20, 2005
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    I'm short and green...
    _>


  • Balladeer
    October 20, 2005
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    Well done! Nothing makes rhyming sound worse than forced rhymes. They need to be avoided whenever possible - like always!

    I wuz so sad when I left Phoenix
    I went through a box of Kleenex!!


  • Darmok
    October 20, 2005
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    This was great! How about trying 'cliches'?

    -D


  • Carnivore
    October 20, 2005
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    Wow! Now this has me paranoid. I have never really considered myself much of a poet or 'good' writer, in fact I only joined this site after much begging from a friend, and now I am thinking on if any of my poems sound this way...? I hope not. Some of your examples were just absurd! Lol! ^_^ Thanks for teaching us all a little bit more about 'Forced Rythming,' though. (I probably needed it. )


  • tony1kanobee
    October 20, 2005
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    Thanks for the insight on something that people have been telling me for years about my writing, but having never had an explaination as to why my rhymes are forced. Now I feel compelled to go back on my writes, I'm sure it'll be equally insightful, if not a little amusing for myself.


  • Cyanide Milkshake
    October 20, 2005
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    Very informative and pleasant! I enjoyed reading it and agree that forced ryhme can take away depth and style from an otherwise awesome piece of work! x


  • Thathom
    October 20, 2005
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    Well said young man/woman or whatever.

    On the other hand.. and this is just a small hand with maybe 2 fingers and a thumble sized thumb.. but.. to write a poem with the intention of ryhme, a little force is needed.. or maybe a little thought. Afterall.. to ryhme you must juggle with fewer ending words than if you didn't.

    But yes, your examples are spot on, well done. I'll use this as a reference to give people to save me having to explain it too

    Oh.. and is this a good example of not forcing? I presume not forcing is to read something as though from a book without thinking too much about the ryhme.. as if the ryhme was just a coincidence?

    allpoetry.com/Poem/491552


  • Miss Splenda
    October 20, 2005
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    Thank-you, I found this quite helpful, you did a fantastic job


  • bogie
    October 20, 2005
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    useful tool

    Thank you for this informative and
    useful tool. You have cleared it up
    for me with your great examples its
    easy to understand, Write On.


  • quotidianaubergine
    October 20, 2005
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    Ahhh, so nice to see!

  • lag
    October 20, 2005
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    nice job of giving examples to explain sometimes we assume it is obvious where or what a problem is but it usually is not so to have some examples to consider while writing rexiews is always nice and helpful


  • heygoo
    October 20, 2005
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    Thank you for taking the time to write and post this. I have been guilty of the yoda thing (no I'm not little and green) twisting my syntax to fit. I go through periods where everything has to rhyme and then I come to my senses. Thanks again for the very informative column. And yes please, somebody do one on punctuation. I know and admit that I need help with that.


  • Raazi
    October 20, 2005
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    This was so helpful. Thanx a lot for writing something like this. Well done!

  • Poetic Babe07
    October 20, 2005
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    Thank you so much...You really cleared this up for me. Someone once told me that my rhyming seemed forced even though none of it sounded like that. But I don't know. Maybe you can check it out. I think my poem is called "Fury". But I think this is a great column and I am glad you took the time to put this together. I know it took care of a lot of confusion. I know it did for me. Thank you so much. God Bless!


  • October 20, 2005
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    this is really great, im sure it will come in handy one day with my english coursework thanks!

  • Saraphina
    October 20, 2005
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    Forced rhyming is the big reason I tend to avoid rhyming at all. Many people, especially new poets, think that it HAS to rhyme to be poetry and they are the ones that often fall into this category. Granted, a rhyming poem can be very powerful, but it works best for me when the rhyming just happens.

  • Jasmine Fox
    October 20, 2005
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    There is a very big difference in someone telling you that you're bad and someone explaining to you how you are bad. If only some people were more constructive in their criticism, then we would all learn more, rather than just be battered because they ;just don't like it'. Cheers for the input!


  • Waiting 4 Evermore
    October 20, 2005
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    yay! thank u for this article i had wondered wat in the world people meant by forced. i had thoughts but no exact answer.thank u!!
    Haley

  • Eusebius
    October 20, 2005
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    Bravo!

    Fine, fine litttle article! I only hope and pray that more poets will pay attention to this topic! Excellent! Bravo!


  • cherche -d -ame
    October 20, 2005
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    ...yep , I do know what forced rhyme is (and I think I have been guilty on all of those counts now and then), that is why usually I try to stay away from rhyme . Now and then I will attempt it in a contest that calls for rhyme, and then it ends up like your bovine in example #3 (butchered) but I need the practice , and I am self confidant enough to let myself hear it from the masses . Just kidding...this is a worthwhile column. Thanks for taking the time to post it,
    Reenie


  • Sandi Alford gold member
    October 20, 2005
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    Wonderful examples! this should be viewed as a helping tool, not to be offened by it. I'm glad you wrote this, pen on!
    Blessings, Sandi


  • Mozambiquel
    October 20, 2005
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    EXCELLENT!
    I really hope people read this and take it into consideration when writing their poetry. I'm tired of reading poems that sound immature because of the reasons listed in this column. Now if only somebody would write one on punctuation...
    xoxo
    ~Danni

  • Warrior7
    October 20, 2005
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    This is excellent, i too have been told my rhyming is forced and now that i have read this i can start to understand what i'm doing wrong. Thanks for the read
    Edited on Oct 20 because ''.

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