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Helping Someone Find God: Reasoning and Facts

Man can never create life out of nothing
Even in cloning man claims he can create life by copying life.
Man can never create life out of nothing
even in cloning man claims he can create life by copying life.
Only true new life can come from something greater than man.

The problem with the chaos theory:
something cannot come from a dark chaotic nothing.
The solution is order: something can come from something,
therefore we come from God.

The very existence of man and nature requires God.
Scientifically it makes sense that an entity greater than man
is capable of creating and shaping life.

Humans are not perfect,
but they strive to be better,
thus the perfection we wish to be a part of is God.

Peace, love, truth, knowledge, righteousness, and law are not from man.
Like our own existence we cannot understand these fully,
though we know they are right and what make us good.
These qualities are from the same greater force in which we seek perfection, we learn of these by example from God.

We are aware of our own consciousness
and this consciousness leads us to God's law and gospel messages.

Everyone knows there is a God,
those that do not believe there is a God, or refuse to acknowledge Him,
exercise their choice to refuse to believe in Him.

There was a Christ who was crucified
the Holy Bible is verified by other scholars, sources and actual events
as historical fact, therefore God must exist.

The Holy Bible is the greatest and most timeless piece of literature, the greatest history, greatest example of law, and the most concrete
and influential religion, demonstrating that there isn't just a God,
there is a living and true God for all times.No frills.  Just reasoning, truth and facts.

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  • asinnerliketherest
    August 31, 2005
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    Dear crivanea,

    The Holy Bible is in fact written by a collection of human hands, however, the message of the Bible is not the message of man. It is the message of God. Proof of this is found in the bible:

    "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was with God in the beginning." -John 1:1

    The Word refers to both the Holy Bible and the reasoning of God. The point of this passage is to point out that God wants His word to be accepted as God's word, not man's word. God's word is God's word, because God's reasoning is God's reasoning. Yes, this is quite the concept for the human mind to grasp, but the point is that the bible is the word of God. This may be difficult for humankind to understand because we tend to try and make ourselves the centre of our universe, and assume that something written by man must have a human voice speaking. However, this is not true for the bible. Just as the sun is the centre of the solar system and not the earth, in the same way God is the centre of the universe and not man.

    This is a fair and reasonable claim because it is based on faith and logic. The problem I've always found with claims against God and His existence is that there is no substantial argument in them. There is too much in this universe man cannot explain and there is too much man does not know. There must be something greater than man out there. How can we come from nothing? How can we suggest we are the greatest things in this universe? All the evidence around us points to a greater being. There must be a God. I fail to see how others can look around them and search their thoughts and hearts and not at least consider the issue of God at least once before death. The truth is, that everyone considers God at least once. Some chose to ignore the issue of God, to disclaim the issue of God, or support the issue of God. All have considered God and develop their beliefs as a human being in part to their opinion toward God. Again and again, everything points to God. God is like a twin brother. From the moment you are created in your mother's womb he is right there with you. When you are born, you are born into sin and that separates you from him. However, like a good brother He is there if you want Him to be. If you want God in your life He'll be as close to you as He was in the womb. If you don't want Him in your life then He'll be sad and worry for you, but He'll let you have your space.

    Through the early years of writing and even until today dictation has been a valuable tool for sending messages. Just as slaves or servants in ancient times or even students in a lecture of modern day write down the spoken word of their masters and professors, so God used the writers of the bible. The message is God's dictated to man and many men together wrote the books of the bible over several hundred years (Moses only wrote the first 5 books of the bible sometime between 1526-1406B.C. the approximate period of his life. There are many other writers of the bible since revelations was written in 95A.D.) God chose to use man as his pen -- to have man participate in the writing of His scripture. This is a special privilege. Perhaps God did this because written in the hand of man the text would appear less over whelming, or more likely He did it to exercise the Holy Spirit at work within us. That is, that conscious right and just aspect of us that serves as a guide to the Lord and a deterrent from sin and evil. Also, the recorders of the bible (who were prophets and teachers of the word themselves) would listen better and improve their own teaching abilities by the exercise of listening to the word of God and writing down the word of God together -- this is how we teach our children in schools as well. So, it is safe to say that we accept and use God's method of teaching us to teach each other without even realizing it.

    The bible continues to be recorded and translated in languages all over the world, but it is always God's message and not man's. Christians know this by faith. God would not allow His own word to be corrupt. Yes, there are those who try and "revise the bible," add to it or change it, but we are aware of those that do and can tell who has done this. God chose to make Revelations the last book and Genesis the first. There are 66 Books total in the Holy Bible. If we can trust the texts of Tacitus, Galileo and encyclopedias and journals and newspapers from other times and other languages other than our own -- all documents written by human hands that we know are full of facts, correct and translations how can we dare to suggest the bible is not truth? There are far too many scholars and common people that accept the bible as fact and a guide for life. If someone approaches the bible with an open mind and heart they won't come to understand God fully. They'll wonder at the way God works and discover answers they have always sought. All attacks against the bible are based upon confusion and misunderstandings based upon strictly human and worldly view points – view points strictly anti-Christian and never objective.

    Thank you for your questions. I hope I have helped to answer some of them. If you have any more ask away and I’ll do my best to answer them or help you find some answers. I know that God watches over you whether you like it or not. Cool contest dude. Take care.


  • rannilt
    August 27, 2005
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    I take it you're not very familiar with the Bible, by your questions. I'm going to address a few of them.

    First things first. The Bible was not written by a man, not by one man...but by many. Moses wrote select books of the old testament, but nowhere near to all of it. The Bible was written by about forty people, over a two hundred year period. And it still agrees with itself…that’s the amazing thing.

    Written by people: yes. But you seem to think that the Bible is a law unto itself, when in fact all of the major events and claims it makes are supported by reliable, outside sources including, but not limited to the histories of Eusebius, Josephus, and Irenaeus, a student of Polycarp.

    About the many revisions...I think you're confusing revision with version. There are indeed many versions and translations of the Bible, but that’s not the same as a revision. Do you question the accuracy or reliability of the Illiad? Thucydides' history? Aristotle's Poetics? Herodotus? Julius Caesar's work? I think the answer's probably no. Let me share some numerical facts with you:

    The History of Thucydides (460-400 BC) is available to us from only eight MSS dated about AD 900, almost 1,300 years after he wrote it. The MSS available from Herodotus are similar in figure. Aristotle wrote his poetics around 343 BC, and the earliest copy we have dated is AD 1100. That's nearly a 1,400 year gap. Caesar composed his history of the Gallic Wars between 58 and 50 BC, and its manuscript authority rests on nine or ten copies from 1,000 years after his death. After the early papyri manuscript discoveries that bridged the gap between the times of Christ and the second century (less than 200 years), an abundance of other MSS came to light. Today we know about over 20,000 copies of New Testament MANUSCRIPTS. The Illiad has 643 MSS, and is second in manuscript authority after the New Testament.

    The Bible is very clearly a historically correct document, when examined with objective science. One can choose to disagree with it’s content, or to blatantly disregard the proof available (and my short blurb is by no means exhaustive) , but the facts do remain.
    Edited on Aug 28, 3:24 p.m. because 'spelling'.


  • PerfectImperfection
    August 25, 2005
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    This is such an amazing piece to me! You have really lifted up the glory for all to see; whether or not they choose to believe. I think this was well thought out and so very meaningful. Thank you for sharing! Best of luck to you!
    God Bless!~ ~


  • crivanea silver member
    August 25, 2005
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    hmm..that was really thoughtful..deep insight..love it!!!..and exactly on the spot..30 lines..lol..anyway..here's a question..isn't the holy bible written by a person??..and no matter how many people say that god gave the dream/whatever message thing to Moses(?) the book is still written by a man..and no offense..but if the book is written by a person..doesn't human tend to exaggerate?? and haven't the bible been revise many times??..so..therefore..isn't the bible another instrument made by a human??..just some thoughts..lol..otherwise..good poem..or verses..lol.not very poetic..but reasonable..good luck on the contest!