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~Science vs. Jesus~

This is the attempt of an atheist teacher to put Christian students down in front of the whole class. To disprove Christ.

I do not know whether it's true or made up, but I feel that it's a very good story to keep in mind.
'Let me explain the problem science has with Jesus Christ.' The atheist professor of philosophy pauses before his class and then asks one of his new students to stand.

'You're a Christian, aren't you, son?'

'Yes sir,' the student says.

'So you believe in God?'

'Absolutely.'

'Is God good?'

'Sure! God's good.'

'Is God all-powerful? Can God do anything?'

'Yes.'

'Are you good or evil?'

'The Bible says I'm evil.'

The professor grins knowingly. 'Aha! The Bible!' He considers for a moment.
'Here's one for you. Let's say there's a sick person over here and you can cure him. You can do it. Would you help him? Would you try?'

'Yes sir, I would.'

'So you're good...!'

'I wouldn't say that.'

'But why not say that? You'd help a sick and maimed person if you could. Most of us would if we could. But God doesn't.'

The student does not answer, so the professor continues. 'He doesn't, does he? My brother was a Christian who died of cancer, even though he prayed to Jesus to heal him How is this Jesus good? Hmmm? Can you answer that one?'

The student remains silent.

'No, you can't, can you?' the professor says. He takes a sip of water from a glass on his desk to give the student time to relax.

'Let's start again, young fella Is God good?'

'Er, yes,' the student says.

'Is Satan good?'

The student doesn't hesitate on this one. 'No.'

'Then where does Satan come from?'

The student : 'From...God...'

'That's right. God made Satan, didn't he? Tell me, son. Is there evil in this world?'

'Yes, sir.'

'Evil's everywhere, isn't it? And God did make everything, correct?'

'Yes.'

'So who created evil?' The professor continued, 'If God created everything, then God created evil, since evil exists, and according to the principle that our works define who we are, then God is evil.'

Without allowing the student to answer, the professor continues: 'Is there sickness? Immorality? Hatred? Ugliness? All these terrible things, do they exist in this world?'

The student: 'Yes.'

'So who created them?'

The student does not answer again, so the professor repeats his question. 'Who created them?"

There is still no answer.

Suddenly the lecturer breaks away to pace in front of the classroom. The class is mesmerized. 'Tell me,' he continues on to another student. 'Do you believe in Jesus Christ, son?'

The student's voice is confident: 'Yes, professor, I do.'

The old man stops pacing. 'Science says you have five senses you use to identify and observe the world around you. Have you ever seen Jesus?'

'No sir. I've never seen Him'

'Then tell us if you've ever heard your Jesus?'

'No, sir, I have not.'

'Have you ever actually felt your Jesus, tasted your Jesus or smelt your Jesus? Have you ever had any sensory perception of Jesus Christ, or God for that matter?'

'No, sir, I'm afraid I haven't.'

'Yet you still believe in him?'

'Yes.'

'According to the rules of empirical, testable, demonstrable protocol, science says your God doesn't exist. What do you say to that,son?'

'Nothing,' the student replies. 'I only have my faith.'

'Yes, faith,' the professor repeats. 'And that is the problem science has with God. There is no evidence, only faith.'

The student stands quietly for a moment, before asking a question of his own. 'Professor, is there such thing as heat?'

'Yes,' the professor replies. 'There's heat.'

'And is there such a thing as cold?'

'Yes, son, there's cold too.'

'No sir, there isn't.'

The professor turns to face the student, obviously interested. The room suddenly becomes very quiet. The student begins to explain.

'You can have lots of heat, even more heat, super-heat, mega-heat, unlimited heat, white heat, a little heat or no heat, but we don't have anything called 'cold'. We can hit up to 458 degrees below zero, which is no heat, but we can't go any further after that. There is no such thing as cold; otherwise we would be able to go colder than the lowest -458 degrees. Every body or object is susceptible to study when it has or transmits energy, and heat is what makes a body or matter have or transmit energy. Absolute zero (-458 F) is the total absence of heat. You see, sir, cold is only a word we use to describe the absence of heat. We cannot measure cold. Heat we can measure in thermal units because heat is energy. Cold is not the opposite of heat, sir, just the absence of it.'

Silence across the room. A pen drops somewhere in the classroom, sounding like a hammer.

'What about darkness, professor. Is there such a thing as darkness?'

'Yes,' the professor replies without hesitation. 'What is night if it isn't darkness?'

'You're wrong again, sir. Darkness is not something; it is the absence of something. You can have low light, normal light, bright light, flashing light, but if you have no light constantly you have nothing and it's called darkness, isn't it? That's the meaning we use to define the word. In reality, darkness isn't. If it were, you would be able to make darkness darker, wouldn't you?'

The professor begins to smile at the student in front of him. This will be a good semester. 'So what point are you making, young man?'

'My point is, your philosophical premise is flawed to start with, and so your conclusion must also be flawed.'

The professor's face cannot hide his surprise this time. 'Flawed? Can you explain how?'

'You are working on the premise of duality,' the student explains. 'You argue that there is life and then there's death; a good God and a bad God. You are viewing the concept of God as something finite, something we can measure. Sir, science can't even explain a thought. It uses electricity and magnetism, but has never seen, much less fully understood either one. To view death as the opposite of life is to be ignorant of the fact that death cannot exist as a substantive thing. Death is not the opposite of life, just the absence of it.'

'Now tell me, professor. Do you teach your students that they evolved from a monkey?'

'If you are referring to the natural evolutionary process, young man, yes, of course I do'

'Have you ever observed evolution with your own eyes, sir?'

The professor begins to shake his head, still smiling, as he realizes where the argument is going. A very good semester, indeed.

'Since no one has ever observed the process of evolution at work and cannot even prove that this process is an on-going endeavor, are you not teaching your opinion, sir? Are you now not a scientist, but a preacher?'

The class is in uproar. The student remains silent until the commotion has subsided.

'To continue the point you were making earlier to the other student, let me give you an example of what I mean.'

The student looks around the room. 'Is there anyone in the class who has ever seen the professor's brain?' The class breaks out into laughter. 'Is there anyone here who has ever heard the professor's brain, felt the professor's brain, touched or smelled the professor's brain? No one appears to have done so. So, according to the established rules of empirical, stable, demonstrable protocol, science says that you have no brain, with all due respect, sir. So if science says you have no brain, how can we trust your lectures, sir?'

Now the room is silent. The professor just stares at the student, his face unreadable.

Finally, after what seems an eternity, the old man answers. 'I guess you'll have to take them on faith.'

'Now, you accept that there is faith, and, in fact, faith exists with life,' the student continues. 'Now, sir, is there such a thing as evil?'

Now uncertain, the professor responds, 'Of course, there is. We see it everyday. It is in the daily example of man's inhumanity to man. It is in the multitude of crime and violence everywhere in the world. These manifestations are nothing else but evil.'

To this the student replied, 'Evil does not exist sir, or at least it does not exist unto itself. Evil is simply the absence of God. It is just like darkness and cold, a word that man has created to describe the absence of God. God did not create evil. Evil is the result of what happens when man does not have God's love present in his heart. It's like the cold that comes when there is no heat or the darkness that comes when there is no light.'

The professor sat down.


~Pass this on if you have faith and love Jesus~

JESUS LOVES YOU.

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  • I have read this before and absolutely loved it. The fact that atheist and non-atheists alike try and disprove Jesus and HIS father is almost hilarious, bcz HE is everywhere.


    • SunDew
      July 14
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      cristy

      Very true, indeed. I once had an atheist for a best friend, & he kept asking me for proof, with only half the information (his information usually came from Catholicism). But he didn't want the obvious: how we are so perfectly made, how the earth is perfectly aligned to sustain life, how the atmosphere can't possibly be some cosmic accident; no, he wanted what people today call proof: some hard evidence of something that just doesn't exist (I refer to evolution). Scientists are trying so hard to prove there's no God that they've told lies just to do so.

      For example: Carbon Dating
      This is easily proven to be inaccurate by a simple test:
      Take one bone of good size (like a bone from a dog), bury it at least 10 feet under the ground.
      Take another bone of the same size & type & leave it on top of the ground.

      Leave the bones there for 10 years.

      Use carbon dating to determine their ages.

      The bone that was left atop the ground will date 10 years. The bone that was buried? Carbon dating dates it back millions of years.

      • Benrutter2
        July 14
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        Sorry, but if you believe in god that's one thing, it's another to attempt to discredit evolution. The second you accept that we have D.N.A, children are formed from a mixture of their parents genes and mutations in D.N.A are possible, you have to accept evolution could not possibly have NOT existed.

        As to your argument that the world is too complex for no God, if the world was not complex enough for our life we would not have a stream of conciousness to be aware of it's non-existence.

        Belief in god is one thing, but let's at least admit it's a matter of faith not something that could ever be proved or disproved.

        • SunDew
          July 14
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          benrutter

          It's a matter of scientists not telling the truth of their findings, as well as people being so blinded by supposed 'facts' that they don't see what's right in front of them.

          If something uses circular logic to explain itself, how in the world can anyone with any amount of sense believe it?!

          Case in point:
          According to scientists, the way they date the fossils is by how old the ground is that it's found in. But how do you date the ground? By the age of the fossils of course.

          I beg to respectfully differ with the last statement you made:
          "...it's a matter of faith, not something that could ever be proved or disproved."

          My disagreement is this: evolution is not a faith. It is not a religion. It is scientists presenting so called "facts" to "prove" their point. Evolution is all about seeing & believing. This is not faith. By definition, faith is, according to Dictionary.com, the Encyclopedia definition:

          "inner attitude, conviction, or trust relating man to a supreme God or ultimate salvation. In religious traditions stressing divine grace, it is the inner certainty or attitude of love granted by God himself. In Christian theology, faith is the divinely inspired human response to God's historical revelation through Jesus Christ and, consequently, is of crucial significance."

          Faith does not need facts. Evolution does not offer a Savior of any sort. No God, no Higher Being, nothing but man & cosmos.

          As far as unprovable, I also disagree. It's as simple as using the scientific method. Can you observe evolution? What about an experiment? Surely, something so science-based can be experimented with/on/about. This brings me back to my case on carbon dating. The one "fool-proof" method of figuring out the age of ancient things has been proven incorrect, but how do they now date things? Carbon dating.

          • I never knew about the carbon-dating. matter of fact, dnt think I ever heard of it, but then again my brain is usually fried from work. scientists for the most part do everything they possibly can to prove THEIR theories correct. and try and dispprove anything to do with God, why? Bcz, they can only believe in what they see. faith is believing in what you cannot see and what you feel is to be true inside ones self. if anyone has noticed most scientist are atheists. interesting, hmm?

            • SunDew
              July 16
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              I actually heard of it through my uncle. When I went online to check it out, I found out about all the other stuff, like how to test the accuracy of carbon dating.

              Yesh, very interesting, haha!

              Although, there have been many people who've set out to disprove the Bible. Many of those who actively tried to do so ended up Christians. Even Charles Darwin himself was a Christian, though he converted after he wrote his famous book on evolution. He actually didn't want that published. But, those who believe this fabrication of the human mind decided to publish it anyway.

              As for the "missing link"....why do you think it's missing?! Because it simply doesn't exist! Evolution from monkey to man would automatically mean no more monkeys......um, hello? Go check the zoo; I believe there's at least one monkey/ape exhibit.

              & I haven't even gotten to the really good stuff yet. Hee hee. I almost hope someone pushes me that far, so I can bring it out. There's an obvious one I'd love to point out...one no one can explain with evolution. It, in & of itself, disproves evolution.

              Yet not only scientists, but schools, insist on teaching something that is false. I say this not because I'm a Christian, but because I would rather be taught what is sincerely believed to be the truth at the time, not what others wish me to believe. If my happy butt sits in a chair for 8 hours out of my day, listening to a teacher go on & on about something they are supposed to know more about than I do, I want to know they are teaching the facts. Or at least, the facts we are currently aware of.

              I'm not saying only teach Creationism (although that would be a good idea). I'm saying look at ALL the facts. Teach the facts to the students & let the students decide which way to go from there. The facts are not always clear cut & concisely placed. Often, they bring about more questions long before enough answers are found to sort through them. But the FACTS should be taught, regardless of what they are.

              Evolution is NOT a fact; it is merely a theory. A theory being taught as fact & is also used to 'disprove' the Bible.

              Anywho, sorry this sounds so much like a rant. I rarely get to talk about this with anyone, & I'm quite passionate about it.

              • Oh no not at all. I find it very fascinating. It's also funny, how they dnt want to teach the TRUE FACTS as they are known, bcz that would mean rewriting History and books, etc. I believe Christians are the worst of them all. It's like where is your faith? Ya know. Keeping it coming sister, maybe you will get a bite and be able to go all out.

                • SunDew
                  July 16
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                  Haha, of course! It's lip-service Christians, those who want to be in & part of the world, yet claim Jesus as their Savior, who give our Faith a bad name. Ah, if only! Maybe one day, someone will stumble across this & give me the run I'm hoping for.

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