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Poetry: The shitty and the fragrant.

I'm not saying I know how to write good poetry; I'm saying what kind of poetry I find shitty and fragrant.

Obviously, all of this is objective and my opinion; the fact that I need to state this blatantly is indicative of how bloody sensitive some people can be. Then again, I don't think that many people will comment on this, so meh.

Here goes.

THE SHITTY:

-For the most part, I really don't like poetry written by people around my age.
(exceptions: valor, aanika, Puking Faerie Dust )
It often features poorly-used punctuation, too much punctuation, every-line-is-capitalized-for-no-apparent-reason line breaks, shitty spelling, and wrist-slitting clichés like:

e.g. "I hate myself so much
For loving you,
And for this I cry
Red tears
The same red as blood"

Inevitably, people my age (and people not my age) make these kind of mistakes as well, which I will classify as "Common Zits in Poetry".

Common Zits In Poetry as follows:
1] Mixing up 'its' and 'it's'
Okay, I can forgive you if you use the wrong form of 'its'/'it's' maybe one time, or in a casual message...
but do this in your poems multiple times
and I will feel testy.
Make that EXTREMELY testy.

it's=it is
If you can remember that and you can speak English relatively well,
that shouldn't be bloody hard to remember.
Hell, it should be ingrained in your DNA with that nitrogenous base and the other 2 components of DNA I can't remember from last year's science class. (Was it sugar and phosphate? Can somebody nerdy help me with this one???)

2]Mixing up 'your' and 'you're'.
Oh COME ON!

you're=you are
Like 'it's', if you can remember this one,
it should be EASY.

Seriously, I see antediluvians (Meg, ever since you have taught me this damn word, I use it whenever possible like a jackass ) and adults making the same mistakes.

-Imagery that doesn't make any sense.
I'm not talking about poetry that leaves you to your interpretation, but poetry that uses TOO MUCH IMAGERY.

I used to be guilty of this.

Anyways, imagery that doesn't make any sense can look something like this.

e.g. "lemon storm shakes
freckled windows;
fruit's storm
scares the sunrise in my hair
until five o'clock shadow
crawls like music spiders
down passive-aggressive throat
so full of lime-green kiwis
and wrinkled love's legacy"

Verdict: ¿Qué diablos paso?!!!
What the FUCK!

Abusing possessive forms.
I'm not talking about possessive forms like "Jessica's favorite fountain drink is half iced tea and half Coke". <==incidentally, that is true.

The kind of possessive forms I hate look more like this:
"anger's piano quartet"
"music's thunderous pizza"

Verdict: Just, no.

-Being overly pretentious with "smart" words or words from other languages.
I love a lot of words.
Admittedly, some of the words I do like are pretentious or happen to be in another language (I really like German and Spanish words).

I'm not saying that you should never use a "smart" word or refrain from using a word just because you don't think anyone will understand it (hell, a shitload of people didn't/don't know what the hell 'schadenfreude' was).

But seriously...
if every line is 20 syllables worth of pretentiousness,
there's something ugly going on.

e.g. "sanguine shackles shellac schadenfreude to spherical sodomy"

Simultaneously, that was also an example of poor alliteration.

Words from other languages can be seriously kick-ass,
but going too far is easy.
Translations are nice.

Verdict: You're not writing an essay or a thesaurus; ergo, don't go nuts with the "smart" words or words from other languages.


*

THE FRAGRANT:

Go to my 'favorites' list.
Enough said.


Jessica



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  • zochit2me gold member
    March 16
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    I must admit I have/am guilty of SHIT lists a plenty....

    I like that you wrote this though and applaud it many times...and uhhhhhh yeah It's it....you're your....for christs sake people think about it...

    another conclusion to an emergency broad cast system test...

    and

    ♥Becky♥


  • Mairi bheag gold member
    January 16
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    I used to have a shit list, but the trouble was people would do things I hated and grab my attention, and suddenly I found they had a voice worth listening to. Others would deliberately set out to mock and guy grammar. Others - and this was very important - had had no schooling, or were dyslexic or something, and for all their crap spelling and punctuation and grammar they were still brilliantly expressive and articulate.

    What do I still hate?

    1. Hallmark stuff. Having said that, one of my best friends here on AP writes Hallmark stuff of such quality that he ought to buy out the company.

    2. Writing in a "form" for the sake of it. Often that means pulling petals off a flower to fit it into a box. I love formal poetry, it's just that I hate it when it is the master and not the servant.

    But what the hell anyway!

    Have a free ellipsis...

  • It appears that our shit-lists are the same

    "lemon storm shakes
    freckled windows;
    fruit's storm
    scares the sunrise in my hair
    until five o'clock shadow
    crawls like music spiders
    down passive-aggressive throat
    so full of lime-green kiwis
    and wrinkled love's legacy"

    This bit made me ... I suppose I'd better write a poem about "music's thunderous pizza" too, and dedicate it to you Tell you what; let's make it a Hawaiian, and I'll share it with you, since you told me you like pineapples


  • "e.g. "lemon storm shakes
    freckled windows;
    fruit's storm
    scares the sunrise in my hair
    until five o'clock shadow
    crawls like music spiders
    down passive-aggressive throat
    so full of lime-green kiwis
    and wrinkled love's legacy"

    Verdict: ¿Qué diablos paso?!!!
    What the FUCK!"

    lmao lmao lmao
    i love you.


  • And Hyetal
    December 29, 2008
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    Thank you so much for writing this!!!

    'but do this in your poems multiple times
    and I will feel testy.
    Make that EXTREMELY testy.'

    and '-For the most part, I really don't like poetry written by people around my age.'

    Whenever one of my real-life friends says 'oh, I bet I can write better poetry than you Cassie, lemme try', I always tell them 'no, you can't' and steer them away from poetic conversation. Not because I'm egotistical, but because they really can't.

    I'm on your favorites list.


    • notorious gold member
      December 29, 2008
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      AHAHA

      Your poetry rawks like drums.

      ...
      I don't really talk to my friends about poetry;
      having them read mine
      would just be too effing weird, LMAO.


  • ArtFullyMe silver member
    November 28, 2008
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    it's aggravating to see many its using it's when it's clearly not it's but its but then I suspect I might have issues.... lol though yes, you know, it's not that complicated if you memorize at least one of the options -- i.e either it's (it is) or its ( its the thing) .. same with your, and you're.

    Possessives are a bit tougher though, especially in cases where the s of 's is silent.

    Tsk! I like ten dollar words does that make me guilty of being pretentious?

    Actually you make an excellent point there. Some seem to think if you use enough 'big' words you sound smart, or if not that, then your poetry sounds smart. Oh that brings me to something else.. the "then" and "than" mix up.
    Perhaps just remembering that then should fit with what comes next? Like.... then we did, versus other than? I don't know...

    DNA stands for deoxyribonucleic acid. A polymer of deoxyribonucleotides. The nucleotide consists of: one sugar, one nitrogenous base, and at least one phosphate.

    I'm not nerdy though.


    • notorious gold member
      November 28, 2008
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      HUZZAH

      Oh yeah, I knew DNA stood for deoxyribonucleic acid; I memorized it last year

      What I forgot was the actual components of DNA.
      like the nitrogenous base and the sugar and the phosphate thing (but I think I remember...now malvolio had to enlighten me).

      UGHHHHHHHHH
      People confusing 'then' and 'than' piss me off.
      Teachers do that, for godsakse. And then there's 'affect' and 'effect' and wow...people just get everything wrong.

      And everyone spells 'separate' like 'seperate', or for some bizarre ass reason, 'serparate'. Bloody annoys me

      god you are insightful
      and you actually read this junk


      • ArtFullyMe silver member
        November 28, 2008
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        oh affect, effect yep...
        I know you're from Vancouver.. so this will be pertinent .. I don't recall how long ago they polled the graduates from U.B.C, quite a few years for certain, but what they discovered stuck with me. The majority of the grads were unable to pass a basic grammar test.

        Startling isn't that? ...lol

        I did and naaaaaa I'm not.. at least not in my mind.


        • notorious gold member
          November 30, 2008
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          Ahahah!

          Well, I don't intend on going to UBC, even if it is an insanely good school.

          But, nice info


  • IronIcecream
    November 28, 2008
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    can somebody nerdy help me with this one???

    lmfao

    let me guess
    you are pissed because people write bad poetry
    and those who can are too pretentious

    I think the written word fuck can never match the fragrance of the same spoke word

    I'm not sure about spherical sodomy
    and for fuck sakes keep the german words away from poetry because it sounds like barking

    that's why beethoven, bach and co
    wrote symphonies
    and the italians opera

    when wagner tried the result was adolf hitler so you get the point

    nuff said


    • notorious gold member
      November 28, 2008
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      I like German, actually

      I agree with the rest, though I can't comment on the scent of sex.


      • IronIcecream
        November 28, 2008
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        I tried once to read aloud a poem in german
        hurt my tongue

        is as far from melody as cockney is from philosophy
        personal taste of course but so is your collumn


        • ArtFullyMe silver member
          November 28, 2008
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          Philosophy in cockney.... lol

          Ever try reading Locke in an untranslated form?

          • IronIcecream
            November 28, 2008
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            I'm not even gonna try
            my cat spit me last time
            i don't want to get scratched


            • ArtFullyMe silver member
              November 28, 2008
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              I tried reading his Essay Concerning Human Understanding .. in olde English.....I've done some idiotic things in my time.... lol and that one ranks up with the best of them.

            • ArtFullyMe silver member
              November 28, 2008
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              wise

  • Cinnarry gold member
    November 25, 2008
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    I'm just fucking scared now....ellipse....shitty punctuation!???,.huh? I'm one of the shitty ones I'm afraid, but.....ellipse ellipse, its, it's a great contest!


    • notorious gold member
      November 25, 2008
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      Oh I forgot to mention how much I hate the damn ellipsis in poetry!!! (In messages and comments, I really don't give a crap, but in poems... LoL)

      You are not a shitty poet.


  • aeolia
    November 24, 2008
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    ohh man, i wanna sing the dna song now (to the tune of row, row, row your boat)

    i love dna, made of nucleotides,
    sugar, phosphate and a base
    bonded down the side!

    adenine and thymine make a lovely pair!
    cytosine without guanine;
    wouldn't it feel bare?


    • notorious gold member
      November 25, 2008
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      LoLLLLLLLLLLLLL!

      I am so going to ask you for science help
      whenever I need you.


  • Puking Faerie Dust gold member
    November 24, 2008
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    Wooooo!
    This kicks ass and I should post this link on every shitty poem I find from now on.
    I, too, hate almost all the poetry that I find in my age group. (I'm 16 ) What I hate the most, though, is whenever they use their age as an excuse to be completely illiterate! The world is doomed D:


    • notorious gold member
      November 24, 2008
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      Your shit is amazing...!
      I will have to put you down
      as one of the poetic exceptions.

      Ugh.
      Adults are illiterate as well.
      It's terrible.:/

  • piggyback
    November 23, 2008
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    I agree with everything here! Except. I lovelovelovelove the example you give for too much imagery... I know I used to write with too much imagery that didn't make sense too and now I don't like that, but I could actually see some clever stuff in your fruit poem You need a much, much shittier example.


    • notorious gold member
      November 23, 2008
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      There was nothing clever in my bad example of too much imagery!
      LMAO.

      Could you provide a new example?

      • piggyback
        November 24, 2008
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        Yes there was

        I have no examples on my laptop but when I get home next week I can send you some pretty crappy stuff, if that's truly what you want...

        • notorious gold member
          November 24, 2008
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          What clever stuff existed?!
          LoL

          Gimme some examples.


  • aeolia
    November 23, 2008
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    i mean, i use other languages in my poetry because i pretty much fail at english and it's hard to turn off the "let's mix welsh and spanish!" switch, but it's dreadful when people put in random words just to make it sound "cool," even if they don't speak the goddamn language.

    you're totally right, though.

    i just turned 19 and almost everyone my age is a shitty writer... well, the ones i've met at uni. it's frustrating. if you're 23 and in an upper-level writing class, you should NOT forget to punctuate your sentences and use spellcheck! argh! did they sleep throughout their first 6 years of uni, or are they just dumb?

    • notorious gold member
      November 23, 2008
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      goddamn,
      you're as cool as a unicorn.

      I think they're just ignorant. :/ LoL


      • aeolia
        November 23, 2008
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        yeah, probably, and pre-established ignorance + public education = a boatload of FAIL. D:


        • notorious gold member
          November 23, 2008
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          Humans disappoint me.




          I wish they didn't.

          ...I love the word 'boatload'.


  • sailor ptolema
    November 23, 2008
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    you are the empress of cool & all things legit


  • MuddyKing
    November 22, 2008
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    Enough said.

    damn it smells nice up in here

    you're a peach


  • parachute fog
    November 22, 2008
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    • notorious gold member
      November 22, 2008
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      There's a UK version of YouTube?


      I'm...
      floored.


  • DolceVito gold member
    November 22, 2008
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    WELL-PUT

    You took the words write out of my mouth (write, right, get it?). Brilliant and fragrant.


  • stasis
    November 22, 2008
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    Ahaha, I completely agree with all of this. Thank you so much, I've been guilty of making some of those mistakes from time to time, especially in my earlier work. But now when I see a mistake like that, I kind of want to rip out my optic nerve and slap the writer with it. Heh...

    But yes, thank you, I completely agree. Love this.

    ♣ Tegan

    • notorious gold member
      November 22, 2008
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      "rip out my optic nerve and slap the writer with it."
      HUZZAH TO THIS

      Thanks


  • crimsondew
    November 22, 2008
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    A very interesting column and you have paged the common errors...


    • notorious gold member
      November 22, 2008
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      LoL!
      The word 'interesting'
      was what my fourth-grade teacher said to use
      when you found something you thought was weird
      or distasteful.


  • Polaja Greeters member
    November 22, 2008
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    I am so superglad that you have the "you're" and "your" thing - it pisses me off the most!

    But you forgot people who write:

    "nd ur so so so secksy
    i jst want 2 have u in
    my arms to "

    ... they upset me


    • notorious gold member
      November 22, 2008
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      I don't actually see poems like that (and I do not want to see poems like that, ever).

      I have seen parodies of those kind of poems, LMAO.

      • piggyback
        November 23, 2008
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        Hey, I do see stuff that uses chat speak and it does piss me off! I refuse to call that poetry or poems, though. But I'm with Polly on that...


      • Polaja Greeters member
        November 22, 2008
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        I have actually read poems on here like that ... if I come across one I'll ... consider linking it to you ... before I realise that I like you entirely too much to hurt you in such a way


        • notorious gold member
          November 22, 2008
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          jesus god, that's horrible.

          LoL!
          I read enough bad poetry as it is.

          I have stopped pretending
          to be nice.


          So, a compliment from me is a real one, 99 times out of 100.

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