Women Preachers "Faith Seekers Group"

This is a discussion that was brought to my attention. I have placed four sides to this converstaion on this page. "Faith Seekers group"

Women Preachers

Hello Everyone, I wanted to show you what was being said and what I think about Women Preachers. Please leave your comments below. The Persons involved shall not be named. I will use Person 1, Person 2, Person 3 and then I will put my name by my answer.

Person 1 said:
Ok, I could very well be wrong, but I noticed the leader of this group is Tabitha-Robin... A woman. Now don't get me wrong, I'm not sexist by any means but a woman cannot preach. The bible says:

"Let the women learn in silence with all subjection. But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence." – 1 Timothy 2:11-12

any woman who steps into the pulpit to teach or preach the doctrines of the Word violates the very Scriptures she is teaching. Just thought I'd put this up to see who responds and how. Now is the choice for all of you... will you follow TRUTH... or tradition?

God Bless,
Person 1
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Person 2:

I think there are many ways that you can view this scripture. I too like you wondered about this and how it affects our belief system. One thing that I have learned is that no scripture in the bible stands alone. Just because a woman preaches doesn't mean that she has a certain authority over you or anyone. God speaks to women just as much as he speaks to men. The bible says that “God has no respect of person". So if I am no greater than my wife in the eyes of God then don't you think he will use her too as he does me. Are we not greater than the animals Adam named? He allowed a donkey to speak in order to get his purpose accomplished. He said that if man won't pray then he will make the rocks cry out. There are many cases in the bible where God used woman. But I do agree with you this is a very good topic for people to discuss. This is just my take on it. The will of God is greater than the subject being used. We sometimes get too caught up in conventional thinking that we miss what he is doing. Personally when I got serious about this walk with God it was a woman preaching then and he used her in order to get me where I needed to be. So I would say focus on what is said not who is saying it.

Person 1 says to Person 2:

I understand your point, but that doesn't change the scriptures. The Bible is the only infallible word of God. You're right that no scripture stands alone but, 1 Tim. 2:11,12 - "A woman should learn in quietness and full submission. I do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man; she must be silent." and 1 Tim. 3:2 - "The overseer must be...the husband of but one wife." and 1 Cor. 11:3-16; Eph. 5:22-24; 1 Pet. 3:1 - "For the husband is the head of the wife..." Now it is said that women will prophesy such as in Acts 2:17,18 and 1 Cor. 11:5. Now notice the verse Acts 18:26 "and he began to speak out boldly in the synagogue. But when Priscilla and Aquila heard him, they took him aside and explained to him the way of God more accurately." Notice the two women pulled the man aside and taught him. They didn't run a group of men, or preach to a congregation, or be a television minister, they pulled him aside to instruct him because he was preaching incorrectly. I'm not saying that women cannot say anything and must just accept whatever men say, I'm saying, they cannot be a minister, evangelize, baptize, etc. Biblically speaking.


Person 2 says back to Person 1:

• Agreed. But let’s for just a second take away the titles does she still have a right to speak in the church. Not as a preacher, teacher, minister or whatever just a God fearing woman. One thing that I have notice nowadays is the men of the churches are not taking there place. Most churches like families the men are no where to be found. Not saying all but just the ones that I have been in. Look around and see if the woman out number the men. But for so long we interpreted the bible according to the way society is. Like long ago it was unheard of to get a divorce or separate from your wife but with today's society it is 1 and 3 marriages end that way. The word has been the same always so how is it that we look at it differently now? Because God gives us new revelation of what it says. You ever hear two preachers preach the same scripture but have totally different takes on it. Both are right and both words from God but just different in views. I do believe that this is one of those times. We read those verses and say this is what God is saying. But remember " Trust in the LORD and lean not unto YOUR own understanding". All situations are not there for us to fix them or correct the person doing it.


Person 3 says:

In the Church
I think the verses you are quoting apply to the church. This website and forum are not the church.
We all should share our faith and as we are going, make disciples. That involves going out into the world and sharing your faith (both men and women are to do this) not all the people in this group are Christians, and this is definite not a church, this is the World WW.
Remember the greatest commandment is Love of God and second, love one another. Remember, speak the truth in love. Tabbie is in the world, speaking and loving the world. You are condemning her for doing what God has told each of us to do.


What I say:

Tabitha Robin

o First of all this is also another thing the bible says.

Acts 2:17-

And is shall come to pass in the last days saith God (proclaims these "last days" as beginning on the Day of the Pentecost, and continuing through the coming Great Tribulation), I will pour out of My Spirit upon all flesh (speaks of all people everywhere and, therefore, not limited to some particular geographical location; as well, it is not limited respecting, race, color or creed): and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy (includes both genders), and your men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams (all given by the Holy Spirit; the Hebrew language insinuates, "both your young men and old men shall see visions, and both your old men and young men shall dreams dreams"; it applies to both genders as well):

And on My servants and on My HANDMAIDENS I will pour out in those days of My Spirit (is meant purposely to address two classes of people who have been given very little status in the past, slaves and women); and they shall Prophesy (pertains to one of the "Gifts of the Spirit {1 Cor. 12:8-10} ):

And I will show wonders in Heaven above, and signs in the earth beneath; blood and fire, and vapor of smoke (pertains to the fact that these "days of My Spirit" will cover the entirety of the Church Age, even into the coming Great Tribulation; that time limit has now been nearly two thousand years.):


AS for your scriptures that you placed here. I have studied the original Hebrew and Greek text of the Bible. So here are the original translations.

1 Timothy 2:11

Let the women learn in silence (it meaning is made clear in 1 Corinthians 14:34-35) with all subjection (Eph 5:22-25)

But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man (if a male teacher is more qualified, he should take the lead; otherwise the woman can do so), but to be in silence (silent regarding teachings unless there is no qualified man, which is the case at times.)

Now let us go to 1 Cor 14:34-35

Let you women keep silence in the Churches: for it is not permitted unto to speak (is referring to women being used by the Lord in Gifts {Acts 2:17; 1 Cor. 11:5}; in Churches at that time, men and women did not normally sit together, but rather on opposite sides of the room; the women would call out to their husbands asking for an explanation concerning certain things, which was interrupting the Services); but they are commanded to be under obedience, as also say the Law (refers back to Gen 3:16 and the Creation Model).

And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home (proving what we've said in the previous Verse): for it is a shame for women to speak in the Church (to speak out in the manner Paul has just mentioned; it doesn't refer to women Teachers or Preachers, etc.. if so, it would be wrong for a women to sing or say anything in the Church, which we know is not correct.)


Now let us go to your verses 1 Cor 11: 3-16

But I would have you know, that the Head of every man is Christ (refers to authority); and the Head of the woman is the man (pertains to the creation model); and the Head of Christ is God (speaks here of two separate and distinct Persons (1 Tim 2:5).

Every man praying or Prophesying (refers either to the Gift of Prophecy or Preaching 1 Cor 12:10), having his head covered, dishonors his Head (dishonors Christ; such portrays a covering other than Christ).

But every woman who prays or Prophesies (tells us that women did pray and Preach in the Church, or wherever) with her head uncovered dishonors her Head (portrays the fact that, due to the Creation model, the women should have long hair, at least longer than that of the man): for that is even all one as if she were shaven. (Refers to the fact that some women in those days had their heads shaved as a punishment for whoredom or adultery. The Apostle is saying that Christian women should not insist upon their rights so much that they begin to look like the worst of the world).

For if the woman be not covered, let her also be shorn (in effect, says, "if the woman wants to wear her hair short like a man, why not go all the way and be shorn.): but if it be a shame for a woman to be shorn or shaven, let her be covered. (This refers to the fact that if she does not want to look like an adulteress, let her be covered, i.e., "have long hair")

For a man indeed ought not to cover his head (while praying or preaching), forasmuch as he is the Image of Glory of God: but the woman is the Glory of man. (This refers to the fact that Eve was not "God's Image and Glory" in the same sense as Adam.)

For the man is not of the woman (Adam was not in any way derived from woman); but the woman of the man. (IN fact, the woman was derived from man by the Power of God.)

Neither was the man created for the woman; but the woman for the man. (This probably would have been better translated, "For also man was not created on account of the woman; on the contrary, woman on account of the man.")

For this cause (refers again to the creation model that "the woman is for the man') ought the woman to have power on her head (long hair, i.e., "authority") because of the Angels. (This has to do with her submission to God's Plan as a constant reminder to the fallen angels, who rebelled against God's Plan and the Revolution led by Lucifer, which took place long before Adam).

Nevertheless neither is the man without the woman (needs the woman), neither the woman without the man (the woman also needs the man) in the Lord. (This refers to the fact that this is the manner in which the Lord is created the original model, and demands that it continue).

For as the woman is of the man (refers to the fact that Eve was originally created from Adam (Gen 2:21-22)). Even so is the man also by the women (by or through the medium of the natural birth): but all things of God. (This puts everything on an even keel, meaning that men are no more important than women or women than men.)

Judge in your selves (refers to common sense): is it comely that a woman pray unto God uncovered? (This doesn't refer to a hat nearly so much as it refers to long hair or at least hair that's longer than that of a man).

Does not even nature itself teach you that, if a man has long hair, it is a shame unto him? (A man wearing long hair is really not in accord with the nature of a man.)

But if a woman has long hair, it is a glory to her (is a way of saying that such manifest woman's voluntary submission to God's will.): for her hair is given her for a covering (This points to the idea that man is the head or covering of the woman under Christ).

But if man seem to be contentious (refers to both men and women, who were insisting on conducting themselves wrongly,) we have no such custom (we have no custom other than what I have said), neither the Churches of God (What I have said is being done in all the other Churches).

Now for Acts 18:26

And he began to speak boldly in the Synagogue: whom when Aquila and Priscilla heard (presents that which was all in the providence of God), they took him unto them and expounded unto him the Way of God more perfectly (no doubt pertained to the full complement of Salvation by the Grace of God exclusively, correct Water Baptism, and the Baptism with the Holy Ghost with the evidence of speaking with other tongues.)

And when he (Apollos) was disposed to pass into Achaia (refers to Greece, across the Aegean Sea, and Corinth in particular), the Brethren wrote, exhorting the Disciples to receive him: who, when he was come, helped them much with had believed through grace (he is now proficient in this most excellent Message of the grace of God that comes through the Cross):

For he mightily convinced the Jews, and that publicly, showing by the Scriptures that Jesus was Christ (had reference more than likely to ministering in their Synagogue.)


Now allow us to go into Ephesians 4:22-24

That you put off (which can be done only by one placing his Faith exclusively in the Cross) concerning the former conversation (concerning the former manner of life) the old man (refers to the unsaved person dominated by the totally depraved nature (Romans 6:6), which is corrupt according to the deceitful lusts (the unsaved person is subject to a continuous process of corruption, which grows worse as time goes on.);

And be renewed (a continuous act) in the spirit of your mind (has to do with the human will; the mind of the Believer must be pulled from a dependence on self to a total dependence on Christ, which can only be done by making the Cross, ever the Cross, the Object of one's faith (Rom 12:1-2)

And that you put on the new man (We are a "new man" by virtue of being Baptized into His Death, Buried with Him by Baptism into Death, all speaking of the Crucifixion, and being Raised with Him in "newness of life" (Romans 6:11)).

Ephesians 5: 22-25

Submitting yourselves one to another (this tells us that proper spiritual submission is always horizontal and never vertical as it refers to Believers, meaning that we submit one to another.) in the fear of God (meaning that all vertical submission much be to God Alone, never to man).

Wives, submit your selves unto your own husbands (The Holy Spirit, through the Apostle is relating to the spiritual leadership of the family), as unto the Lord. (First of all, the submission is to be to Christ as Lord and Master, and not to the husband. If the husband's supremacy had been in view, it would have been expressed in a different manner, so say the Greek Scholars. If the wife properly submits to the Lord, she will properly submit to her husband as it regards spiritual leadership that is if he knows the Lord. If he doesn't know the Lord, such submission cannot be tendered, as would be obvious.)

For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the Head of the Church (suggest the obedience the wife renders to her husband is to be regarded as obedience rendered to Christ. which she can do if her husband is properly following the Lord): and He is the Savior of the Body. (This refers to the Lord being the Savior of Believers, who makes up the Church. While the husband cannot be the Savior of his wife in redemptive terms, he can be her protector and provider.)

Therefore as the Church is subject unto Christ (as its Head), so let the wives be to their own husbands in everything. (This presupposes that the husband is conducting himself even as Christ).

1 Peter 3:1

Likewise, you wives, be in subjection to your own husbands (Peter is now dealing with Christian wives who have unsaved husbands, telling them how to win them to the Lord; the wife is to be in subjection, up to the point of violating Scripture; the word of God is to be obeyed first of all, without fail); that , if any obey not the Word (unsaved husbands who will not hear the Word of God), they also may without the Word be won by the conversations (lifestyle) of the wives (Proper Christian behavior):

While they behold your chaste conversation ( A Godly Behavior) coupled with fear (the word "fear" here means "reverence" for the Lord and her husband, at the same time, it could be reversed for an unsaved wife.)


The bible also says that The Believers are the Church. Not a temple. Your body is a temple, a church. So we have the right to preach in our church. It is our heart, our soul, our body that we have given to Christ and Christ alone.

We are the Church. You are the Church. I am the Church. We are all created equal in the eyes of the Lord.


God bless you,

Tabitha Robin


Email From Person #4

Whenever an interpretation to a verse contradicts the rest of the teaching of the Bible, we know this interpretation is incorrect, for the Holy Spirit will never contradict His own Word

Numbers 11:29, "Would God that all the Lord's people were prophets, and that the Lord would put His spirit upon them
"Touch not mine anointed and do my prophets no harm." And may we be reminded of the Scripture in Acts 5:39, "If it be of God, ye cannot overthrow it; lest haply ye be found even to fight against God."

1 Cor. 11:5, "For every woman that prayeth or prophesieth...." The word "Prophet" means a public expounded
1 Cor. 14:3, "But he that prophesieth speaketh unto MEN to edification, and exhortation and comfort
Prophesy is "to speak under divine inspiration...to preach."
DEBORAH - Judges 4:4-5. Deborah was a Judge for both civil and criminal cases. The children of Israel came to her for judgment. She was the chief ruler of Israel for 40 years, giving orders to the Generals and all the army. She did the work of an evangelist, prophetess, Judge, and a preacher. God gave her authority over the mighty (Judges 5:13
MIRIAM - Exodus 15:20; Numbers 12:1; Micah 6:4. She was a Prophetess and a Song Leader in Israel.
HULDAH - 2 Kings 22:14. Five men went to Sister Huldah and communed with her. She spoke to a congregation of men concerning the book of the Law. A female preached to a man's congregation, and her message was taken to the nation and produced a revival.
MAHER-SHALAL-HASH-BAZ'S MOTHER - Isaiah 8:3. She was a prophetess.
Anna - Luke 2:36-38. She must have prophesied in church, because she did not depart from the temple
Phillip had 4 daughters who prophesied. Acts 21:9.
Phebe - Romans 16:1-2. Paul commended Phebe to the Church at Rome and requested that they assist her in her business. She was one of Paul's assistants in the work of the Lord and delivered the Book of Romans to the people from the hand of Paul.

1 Cor. 14: 34-35 does not say anything about women preachers. If Paul intended this verse as a general rule to bar all women from speaking in church, then they cannot teach Sunday School, testify, pray, prophesy, sing, or even get saved, and this would contradict the rest of the Bible (Acts 2:4; Acts 2:16-18).

http://www.circleofchristianwomen.com/women_pastors.htm