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Do you enjoy poems that use a lot of repetition or even a little? I enjoy it myself.
Here's an example from Old Poetry:
Half a league, half a league,
half a league onward.
Into the valley of death rode the six hundred.
Their's not to question why, their's but to do or die
as onward they thundered.
Lord Tennyson. Old fashioned, yes, but there is something about the repetion what makes it richer, in my opinion. Sorry, I've never been really good at analysing things. -
Do you mean "repetition" or the use of a refrain (The Pre-Raphaelites were keen on refrains, which led to a parody where the refrain was "Butter and eggs, and a pound of cheese). And where would you put "Put out the light - and then put out the light"? or Mary calling the cattle home across the sands of Dee?
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I Like it
To my way of thinking, particularly in formal stuff like villanelle, etc. it adds a real challenge, one of the tougher poetic tools to master. I see it as risk/reward, one of those things that either adds or subtracts much from a poem. I think the repeated lines or phrases must really sing for it to work, but when it does, it results in that "damn, I wish I wrote that" quality.
So much of what is published as poetry today is just really bad prose with line breaks, devoid of any poetic device whatsoever. -
Why, why, why, do people repeat themselves?
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Why, why, why, do people repeat themselves?
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Themselves , or each other?
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I dunno, I dunno....
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well, well, well...that's a deep subject...
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Xeroxballs
Yes it is,Yes it is, Yes it is,Yes it is,Yes it is,Yes it is... -
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I've seen photocopied balls, but never Xeroxed - wouldn't that purple ink stain?
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I should imagine so.
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I've just finished reading 'Salt' by Jeremy Page - set in Norfolk - isn't that somewhere near you?
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Ermmm...compared to the size of the entire cosmos, yes. Compared to the size of the UK, no. I've been there though. It is very flat & they have windmills. I thought the beer was good as well.
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I must look at a map of the British Isle one day - my sister lives in London and a niece nearby in Farnborough - we come from Wales but Scotland before that...I should know more about it. -
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Bore da! (good morning in Welsh)
or should I say Nos da (good night), as it is evening for you at the moment I think. I'm not sure what 'good evening' is in Welsh. I lived there for enough years as well!
I'm just a typical Saeson I suppose. -
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Nos da, yes - 10.30 pm tomorrow here - I tried to watch some Welsh TV on Youtube last week - I just had to giggle...
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Try using a Cashpoint (ATM) in Wales, some of them ask you if you want the transaction in Welsh or English...in Welsh!
I used to like to watch Pobol Y Cwm, it had subtitles for the omnibus edition.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PslYcjWFNNU
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it's good for filler
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No, not just filler, in my opinion, though sometimes that's true. There is a resonance, maybe an echo effect, that can be very stirring when words, phrases or lines are repeated. I can't explain why though there may be some profound intellectual reason.
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music is based on repeating melodies
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Walter Murphy & the Big Apple Band - A Fifth Of Beethoven 7 -
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the upper note falls in the climax are pulled out and refilled
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So maybe it's an instinctive thing or maybe something physical, in the ear. I know some people don't like it because they have been taught to try and use different words. sometimes that is more effective, I admit.
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So much free verse lacks any overt or inner structure, such as might give it a bit of backbone. What would you say about the repetition in Carl Sandburg's "Grass"?
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"I am the grass"
"let me work"
It's very effective and gives me the shivers. Kind of drives the point home, for one thing. -
How about Adrian Mitchell's "Tell me lies about Vietnam"?
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I'll have to check that one out. Obviously quite modern!
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There's a plague from bacteria in the blood in the fleas on the rats in the swarm in the dirty city.
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Maybe plus everyone knows it already, in the western world anyway.
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I have actually seen Mitchell recite some of his poems many years ago.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FmMCObgu_jc
there's him doing an up-dated version of it too, Iraq now, but it wouldn't load properly
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I enjoy repetition when needed. I have example listed below it is a poem written from 3 different people's point of view so the things they have in common are repeated.
"I wish he'd love me.
Need me, stay with me.
I wish they'd understand.
I am stuck in the middle.
I wish she's let him go.
Let us live. Let us be.
My heart breaks every day.My heart breaks every day.My heart breaks every day"
And sometimes is poems I like to repeat words like saying "you , you have it all." -
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btw the poem does not look like that in orginal form lol edit page messes everything up
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There should be a space after each of the . periods in the last line.
Have you considered stacking them up?
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I couldn't space it out in the same line because the edit page wouldn't let me without creating a new line. and the first part is suppose to appear as a set of stair 2 lines for each stair and My heart breaks every day under each set of lines in order, but yet again this stuff drives me crazy and messes up my vision. Took me 2 hours just to get the poem this is from to appear almost as I wanted it to. Noticed I said almost. :-)
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Some of the lines would be broken up more. But the repetition, e.g. "I wish" works well.
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Repetition was OK by Tom Eliot!
"You say I am repeating
Something I have said before. I shall say it again.
Shall I say it again?" (Four Quartets - East Coker 3) -
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I would tend to think the final decision is up to the poet but I am kind of a contrarian. If someone tells me something, I usually want to do the opposite!
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Up to the poet every time! If he/she gets it wrong, tant pis! And as independently as possible. Any poet who reacts to mere external triggers must accept any consequences.
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I agree. You shouldn't be changing your work just to please others but you can consider suggestions if you like. They might just be valid.
By "you", I mean "I". Can't speak for anyone else.
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