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I have a question regarding the poems that are chosen for the front page spotlight area. How exactly are the poems chosen to be spotlighted? I understand that poems/poets can be suggested for that, but once they are, what is the process by which that occurs? Let me state, before anyone thinks that I am complaining about those that have been chosen, that I have no issue with those that have been on the front page. I also understand that the category in which the poem is placed, or the subject matter of the poem may make it not so appropriate for the front page.
When the “more” option is clicked under the spotlight area on the front page, it takes us to a page where “approved” and “submitted” poems are listed. The “approved” poems have already been or are currently being spotlighted. The “submitted” poems are those that are still under consideration. I have noticed that many times those poems that are in the “submitted” category don’t make it to the front page (for whatever reason), and simply at times are just removed from the “submitted” page. Many times, in my opinion, those poems that have been submitted (and then removed) would have been a choice of mine (if I was the one doing the choosing) to be spotlighted...
So, my question (again) is this—how do these poems get selected? Why are some simply just removed from consideration? Why are some poets repeatedly featured (by that I mean, featured two or three times--or more, even), and others are dropped from the list? Who decides what is a quality poem that should be spotlighted, and why another poem that has been submitted is deemed “subquality” and tossed aside? Are the poems chosen in the order they are submitted? Does only one person make this decision?
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Good question.
From what I've read of them, I assumed fans of the poem (or poet) nominated them, and the site randomly placed them; I didn't even know there was an approval process.
I'd like to know more.
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I never look at that section. For me it simply blocks my favorites from showing. Your post has definitely made me curious.
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Yes, I'm curious too.
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bump--as today is a good example of what I was talking about
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Hi,
I am the one that approves the spotlights and my other activity leader, Lissa approves or disapproves the spotlights. We read every poem that goes through and whilst sometimes we make mistakes, we try hard to get only poems that are G rated on the front page but also very good ones.
There are some poems removed when it's sensual or close to erotica, dark talking blood and cutting, suicide, unable to read, PG poems and anything that is not suitable for a child to read it. We try to limit how many times a person gets spotlighted on the front page and often times might delete one if we see that they have been spotlighted recently.
The poems are not chosen in the order they are submitted and no, sometimes it's not only us that makes the choice. We will pass poems onto the Site Supervisor, Kevin or other mods that might be on to see if it passes all of the site rules and they will either approve or disapprove of it.
Whenever you put in a spotlight that is denied, you can send me a link and I will find out why. There have been a couple of times that I have deleted them by mistake when I have meant to approve them but that doesn't happen often.
Remember that children as young as five can read the front page. We try and keep that in mind while spotlighting. A lot of the sensual poems or dark poems are just to PG or Adult material that someone might complain about. If you have a poem that gets denied, the other option you could do is feature it on the side.
There are occasions that the poem does not get spotlighted from odd glitches with the site or disappear. This does happen sometimes.
I hope that this helps answer your question. I do apologize for any inconvenience. If this doesn't answer your question, feel free to contact me on IM.
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Thanks for your explanation Kari, but there's an erotic poem in the spotlight at the moment, so what gives? You say one thing and do another?
This is the comment on the poem by the person who nominated it:
Still love this awesome poem
So I have nominated it for a front page spotlight, with the endorsement, "An exceptional piece of erotic poetry that is both romantic and usual in its imagery, demonstrating how the inner being is as attractive as the outer."
This piece remains one of my erotic/romantic favorites.
but I notice that someone - a mod? modified the 'erotic' to read 'sensual' and 'usual' to read 'unusual'
the poem itself is the same though - do you stand by the comment that a 5 year old could read it? -
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Actually I can shed some light on this particular poem. It had nothing to do with Kari or any activities director.
My attention was drawn to the nominated poem in question by another site member that also wished to nominate the poem for the spotlight section. They had noticed the "erotic comment" but did not agree that it was actually erotic and was concerned that it would not be approved for nomination due to the description.
Upon reading the poem I saw no reason why it could not be approved since it actually is not technically an "erotic" poem. Given that. I edited the description to make it allowable for the front page as we often do if there are misspellings, profanities, chat speak etc; and I approved it for the front page.
At one time the moderators actually approved the spotlights, not the activities directors (and we still can but generally don't). At that time we approved things that were within site policy, but not "adult/erotica" for the spotlights sticking more to a PG rating than an actual G rating. If it was approved falsely, that was my fault as I was not aware that they need to be G rated now. I was on an extended leave from the moderator staff due to health issues for awhile and did not think to consult an activities director prior to approving the poem.
I’m sorry if this has caused distress to anyone, however I do stand by my decision to approve the piece as I did not see where it was inappropriate for the front page or general audience at the time of approval.
As for nepotism being involved, I fail to see where any sort of favoritism has come into play here. I was simply trying to approve a piece of poetry that I saw no reason to be denied the spotlight. I was not familiar with the poet prior to approval, nor the poet that nominated the poetry.
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Thank you for your explanation, but I'm left in the dark still, about the process of decision on which nominated poems are accepted for 'spotlight'. From what you say, any mod can approve poems for spotlight, yet this is oposite to what Kari says.
So, there is no rule? It depends on how a mod feels about the poem? Based on what?
I'm interested, just asking. -
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Generally speaking, mods don't approve the spotlights anymore unless we see they are piling up or our attention is drawn to them. That duty was actually given over to the activities directors awhile back. The general process is really any poem that is not against site policy or over the top as far as what rating they are using (I understand it is G rating now). Other than that, if the poem has good grammar and seems to be well written it is approved. We do not nitpick them or say "I don't like this" and not approve it. We try and give everyone a fair, ample shot at it (at least that is the way the mods approved them, I am not an activities director so one of them would give a better answer probably).
Poetry is an art that varies so really what I think is an phenomenally done piece of poetry; you may hate and think it is crap and vice versa so we cannot really put a definitive process on it other than to say we try, as volunteers to read through them, see if they are within policy and approve them. Now if we see many from the same poet, we will not approve them all in order to give others a fair shot or if they a written in chat lingo or tons of poor spelling etc; most likely it would not get approved. We are not all experts and don't claim to be (thats for sure) but we cannot define the rules of awesome poetry for the world, we all read it differently. All we can do is try and keep it as fair as we can and approve decent poetry the best way we know how.
If you are asking if there a general guideline or rating that we use, other than site policies and what I've stated above...no. We just do the best we can and try to be as fair as we can. Ultimately though, we are all human and unfortunately we cannot please everyone all the time but we try
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long story short - there are no rules, it's how you feel?
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Long story short - there are rules, site policies.
It has nothing to do with how we "feel".
If it is within site policy and front page guidelines (no profanity, adult etc) it is decently written grammatically and not the same poet being nominated repeatedly, it's approved. It's not about personal preference. -
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I have noticed that many times those poems that are in the “submitted” category don’t make it to the front page (for whatever reason), and simply at times are just removed from the “submitted” page. Many times, in my opinion, those poems that have been submitted (and then removed) would have been a choice of mine (if I was the one doing the choosing) to be spotlighted...
So, my question (again) is this—how do these poems get selected? Why are some simply just removed from consideration? Why are some poets repeatedly featured (by that I mean, featured two or three times--or more, even), and others are dropped from the list? -
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I believe that was addressed by Kari in her original post.
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Addressed but not really answered. Obviously there are more poems submitted than approved - the question is, how do you decide between them?
If there is a policy, maybe this could be spelled out when a member clicks to submit a poem for consideration for 'spotlight'? At least then, members would be aware that after a certain time, the submitted poem would be deleted from consideration because it had not won the admiration of a mod. -
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That seems like a very reasonable suggestion.
Clear guidelines (and strict adherence to those guidelines) is all we can ask for. -
It has nothing to do with winning admiration of site administration. Some are not approved for various reasons which Kari did state above. She would be more familiar with those guidelines as she is the activities director. I merely chimed in on the thread because I did approve the poem that was singled out on the thread and felt an explanation of that was in order. I've tried my best to give you the best and most accurate information I can, but beyond what was said by Kari or myself I don't see where I can clarify it further for you. I will make AnnD aware of the thread and perhaps she can shed some light that I cannot.
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Hi Kari,
I have only ever asked that a few pieces be spotlighted, and you have been very kind to do so. In fact, one of them was by Just Mercedes, back when she was first here! LOL.
Anyway, I don't make a habit of asking because I am aware how much resentment it causes and I also don't routinely check the spotlighted poems, in fact, hardly ever, because I noticed early on how it is the squeaky wheels who get the grease (in other words, the same people recommending the same people over and over again.) I am sure, from your perspective, that is not true, because you see so many poems through the recommendation process, but I have always thought the community would be better served by simply randomly spotlighting poems with no judgement process or recommendation process at all. Anything that is not in the erotica or adult section should qualify if we are truly interested in promoting what exists on this well rounded site. Either that or limit it to one recommendation and one poet's work per member per six months or something. -
I have yet to read a poem that has sucked me in because of the blurb in Spotlight that I haven't regretted reading.
There is a protective element ("bunnies"?) in AP which excludes what is deemed to be bad language. Could this be extended to include the word "awesome"? -
Might it be informative to confine the question, if only initially,to why those poems which are not accepted are not accepted?
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Where did all the submitted poems for spotlight go this week? There was a whole list of poems, most suitable for the front page, just erased from the submitted section. Again, I am just trying to understand the method of choosing here.
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Hi Saffron,
Sometimes it takes a bit for the approved ones to show that they are spotlighted. A lot of the 16 poems that was spotlighted actually did get approved but some deleted for various reasons such as over use of profanity and not being able to read the poem.
I might add, that it doesn't matter if I approve or disapprove them, they disappear from the pending list.
Kari
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So Kari, can you hook a girl up?
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I guess the whole topic can be dropped now. The "submitted" section has now been closed off for any public viewing, and only available for viewing by activity leaders...so, if there is truly nothing to hide, this is something else I don't understand...
Don't worry--my obsession is now over.
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