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Perhaps, I should have started here before I started reviewing other poets' efforts. The question is: Are there boundaries on this poetry site with regards to criticism and critique?
As a poet, who has sold efforts to newspapers and magazines, I have been criticized by professionals, who expected professionism and knowledge of my craft when submitting efforts, and who harshly-criticized my submissions.
I did not expect anyone, or everyone, to know the craft of poetry when I joined this site as a participant and since I use space to expose my efforts, I think, I am obligated to read, review, and critique others, who submit their efforts.
I am well-acquainted with the International Protocol On Criticism And Critique, the accepted procedure used by professional authors and writers, and I use the protocol when critiquing others of this craft.
I have been criticized by others as being "too harsh" and "merciless" toward fellow-poets, who have not taken the time, or effort, to learn the fundamentals of this art, and I have paid the price by getting "kicked-off" their poetry sites.
I have already critiqued two fellow-poets on this site and if I have offended these two writers, I apologize now for "overstepping" this power and obligation. I am new to this site and I plead ignorance to the level of trolerance associated with "rule of thumb".
Please feel free to advise me on this issue. Thank you for your consideration. -
"who have not taken the time, or effort, to learn the fundamentals of this art"
What do you mean? Do you mean you don't like the way they write or their writing is wrong?
I would take into consideration not everyone wants criticism because some people are venting or expressing themselves casually. I wouldn't give a hardcore critical review unless you see: I plan to revise this poem: please leave constructive criticism! -
This site, like most others, has writers at all levels of knowledge and skill. My approach is to always use critism of a poem as a teaching tool. What works, what doesn't, how their words hit me as the reader. What was clear, obscure, unusual.
And always, that the poem belongs to the poet. They can take my comments and suggestions or leave them.
You want to leave brutal comments on my poerty? Go ahead. I am secure enough to take it. For those you don't know, make an effort to comment on both the good and not so good in the poem, never the poet. As you read and comment on more poets, you will get to know who wants what. Also, join a group or two. Many are focued on critique.
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If you were thinking that most people on this site would welcome your professional critique of their work you have come to the wrong shop my friend. I for one, am only open to effusive praise and three clappies. I also expect comments such as “This is the most inspired poem I have ever read” or “You are sooooo brilliant!” Learn to gush and just keep any professional analysis to yourself. Of course, there are also exceptional poets on this site who are mature enough to appreciate an honest assessment of their work, but it will take you a while to discover who they are.
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Remember when
"Comments were the lifeblood of AP"?
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yes actually I do... it's too bad people don't return comments when given
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curbs the ethusism
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That was actually the prompt when I first came in and critical comments were encouraged or asked for,,, but it didn't take me long to get completely torn up by poets who had no desire whatsoever to even have typos pointed out to them.
So much for the critique. Anyone who has spent any amount of time on here trying to help out in that way knows it is not what people want, in general, and why should they? (Unless they trust you and know you well enough to think you know what you're talking about or that you understand them as a poet.)
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People who want critiques will usually have "I plan to revise this poem: please leave constructive criticism!" on their poem.
That said, I rarely get critiques on my work, so I am pleased when I do. -
so instead you have people acting like grammar nazi's... and when they use criticism they slam you as if you were being a professional... when in fact most here are amateurs and when asked for constructive critiques...and those same critics wouldn't know a constructive critique if it bit them in the butt. I mean when I have a 16 yr to 18 yr old tell me that my writing is crap and when I've been writing longer than they have been alive... to me that's abit ridiculous.
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taylorndncar:
Thank all of you, who took the time to reply to my question. "...Ah 'preciate it...!"
Coming from my perspective, i am a syllabic poet (I count syllables per line, or per verse), but do a lot of work in the field of epigrams (short verses that are either humorous or philosophical), and constructive criticisms are welcomed (I have a thick skin since I've been doing this for a couple of decades). Look me up and read my efforts (for I will surely be looking up your pages). Once more, thank you for your time and consideration. -
In my oppinion
I belive that writing is an art that doesn't have rules or boundries, and so it is creativity that matters, not knowledge of what other people think is good poetry. -
subtle humor,...i hope!
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I don't have "I plan to revise this poem: please leave constructive criticism!" on my poems because I would be lying if I said I PLANNED to revise them but if someone has a good critique I might revise or if I made any spelling errors I WILL revise. I am very open to critiques and any serious writers here should be.
My suggestion would be to stay away from critiquing people who look like they don't take poetry as seriously as you do... -
I have "Save your breath - go give someone CPR."
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Just one tip - don't correct their spelling and grammar. If you need to correct typos, send them an IM - in a comment, it's just really annoying.
I agree with Daniela Violin's last remark, above... also, never forget to compliment as much as you critique, and be very, carefully, polite. =D
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