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*tsk* *tsk* spelling...
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I guess he failed in the the i before e except after c rule. A silly rule anyway. A rule whose flexibility makes it almost unruly! har har
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or for the sound of "ay"
like neighbor and weigh
or if one's speaking german
like ein and stein
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I don't mind receiving critical reviews but I usually only give casual reviews because I don't think I'm qualified to give critical reviews.
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I agree kind of, except I like to critique more than be critical... I am for casual but I like sometimes putting that extra time into the piece if it's good enough for a long review. I really hate picking a piece apart structure wise because for the most part that doesn't matter to a piece that's full of emotion. I think sometimes poems shouldn't be put down when they are there for emotional release. It's hard to hurt someone's feelings like that, as if you only noticed the words not the poem.
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I poem tries to communicate something
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On the contrary, I believe that though the author could have meshed the words from one experience, I always love to hear someone understand my work from another point of view.
I wrote a piece when I was about eighteen, that to me was clearly a love poem, a hopeful declaration of my intent for a woman I later married. A reader was touched by it and sent me an e-mail, and told me a story of the "one who got away", and explained verse for verse how my heartache, and true longing for the love I couldn't have, was a mirror image of her own.
Well, I hadn't the heart to shatter her image of what the poem was about... I am attempting to never reveal what a piece means to a reader ever again, just because of this experience.
I think the work should not speak for itself, I think the reader should speak what the poem means to them.
Of course, this only stands for emotive poetry, and not expressive poetry...
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I have no idea what that means but
It seems unfriendly
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The true meaning of "criticism" of a literary effort
is to gauge the worth of the whole piece. It does not mean to set out to find fault.
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Hey buddy....and well said
We poets are a weird lot
And we believe in individuality and so
How can we say something is good or bad
We can just say if we like it...or not
And that is so subjective eh
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None of your choices really apply.
For me it varies. Depending on the poem and poet purpose. If it's someones work I respect and like I'll rarely point out anything unless they specifically ask. Or if it's something that will save their poetic face later.I might mention it. Something glaring. If it's someone who clearly doesn't seem to care I'll wander off commentless. If I like the poem and think the poet's really trying I will try to say something helpful and then leave it in their lap to sort through.
I used to give and want critical reviews. Now I trust the poet to know what's best for their endeavor. What more can I do. That is the benefit I want them to give me also. Even though I'm often wrong in the eyes of the beholder.
Shutting up now.
Except to say that if I'm given a critical review I take it in the spirit offered and do consider it, gratefully.
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You're a wise bird...
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Thanks, arafura.
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I feel the need for critical reviews on new work because I find it hard to distance from new work enough to be critical myself. Other viewpoints are really valuable at that time, and I edit again and again. Older work, which has already undergone this, I don't worry so much about. But I am always happy to receive critical evaluations of my poems, new or old.
That doesn't mean that I will always take notice of what is said, though. The only way to improve critical capability is to give and receive critiques. However, I understand they are sometimes received as a personal attack, although I have never intended this.
I wonder if, separate from the whole contest thingy, there could somehow be a place where critiques could be sought? Almost like an editing facility. There are a lot of poets on the site with tremendous skills at seeing weaknesses etc, but if they're not running a contest that you've entered, how do you get your work in front of them?
I joined a group that was formed for giving informed critiques of members' works, but it folded that week! Maybe I have a Jonas touch... -
I prefer submit older work for proper critical review. By the time I have made some distance between my own emotional attachment to the piece enough to look critically and objectively myself. New pieces I am pleased to get the emotional reaction rather than technical reaction of others, although suggestions are of course welcome. I would not post a new piece on one of the serious critique poetry websites. AllPoetry is just really for R&R for me.
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I just like to be told I wrote the "bestest ppoem ever" with <3's x's and o's.
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bestest ppost eva! <3 xoxox
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Too often even helpful critiques are not appreciated if they are more than five lines long. Why bother?
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I'd like to point out that ...
nevermind, I won't get a reaction
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I don't care for critical reviews mostly, and I will only point out things like rhyme, typos, and flow. I like when people point out my typos, because I hate them...and if I couldn't find a better way of saying something, I don't mind a few suggestions. However, that is mostly for new work. Old work is past and to change it would be to change its moment in time. I rarely edit old works unless there is a typo, or something I think works better.
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I enjoy a thoroughly suggestive critique more than a harrowing list of things someone didn't like about my writing... but I'd almost call it arguable whether someone's commenting style is necessarily ever casual versus critical or even vice versa. Some comments are better than others regardless of style... but any comment is better than no comment. -
I like when someone writes a verse in response
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Critical reviews
I Prefer to give and receive Critical reviews. This way the poet can learn a thing or two that will help him/her to become a better poet. No one likes to be criticized but oftentimes it's needed for obvious reasons.
The casual reviews come most often from panderers who will praise the work even if the poet lacks talent. This does not leave any room for improvement on the part of the poet because few dare to point out the weaknesses for fear of hurting feelings ,or worse, losing a friend/contact. -
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I think people can make better presntations
when they focus on their strengths.
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I prefer to receive more critical reviews, but I tend to give out casual reviews, as I don't exactly know how to critically review someone, and I like to comment more on how I liked it.
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Elements Of Poetry
Just about everyone loves ice cream but few of us know how to make it.
The same can be said for poetry. You may like a certain poem but a poet who is familiar with the elements of poetry will think, It's not bad but it lacks this, that or the other thing. These lacking elements would then be the poets critical review. -
A good critique should begin with positive feedback, then constructive criticism on how to improve their piece. Finally ending on a positive note. This is the essence of critique as opposed to criticism which is just the negative feedback portion only.
alby
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I'm not really sure.
I just say it like I see it, it could be either way. However I always try to give suggestions nicely. There's critical, and than there's mean. I am never mean with my comments. -
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I like to receive critical comments, especially from my fav's. If something just doesn't work, or a mistake has been made, etc., I would like to know.
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I love to receive critical views that make constructive criticsm...and those that show they understand what you are trying to say.
I like critical views which make me go away and think about the poem....and give me a chance to improve it.
and I don't mind if it is about structure or choice of words, or layout....or those blasted typos!
The AP poet "Pine needles" gives fabulous critiques.....as did "Efflorescence" who seems to have disappeared.
The only critiques I don't like are those that can't be bothered to read
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"This is far too long for me to be bothered with" Why waste time on such a comment.
I try to give critiques in the same vein....and can only give critiques if I see some worth.
My most detailed and lengthy criques are for poems which are really good and have the potential to be a lot better with a bit of editting.
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I normally love critical reviews... but it depends...
Like I hate it when people try to rewrite my poem themselves. They don't give a suggestion, they just go ahead and take WHAT I WROTE and destroy it with their own rewrite. Hello! I wrote it myself for a reason! If you have something helpful to say, say it, I don't need a demonstration. psh... people sometimes... -
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no one does that but me
at not very often
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Hmm... I don't think you understand what I meant.
It's only happened to me once or twice, but the commentor will rewrite and rephrase my entire poem (one time to the extent that it was hardly even the same poem any more). It's quite frustrating. -
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poem structure is one of the aspects of poetry
perhaps,
the editor wanted to better understand what was written
by placing it into what a more accessible structure for them
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agreed poetrytoopeneyes... there are times people don't take the time to actually read and try to see through my eyes. instead they want rewrite everything that I do. either that or they complain about how I arrange my words
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some arrangements are easier to comprehend
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Although I clicked that I prefer to give and receive critical reviews, I must say I don't often give critical reviews in the fear that people will be offended. I find the group most offened are our younger poets from teens to mid 20's. It is a shame for often it is this more inexperienced group which would benefit most from critique.
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What do you mean?
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I'm happy to receive any sort of comment, casual or critical, but I usually only comment casually on work that I like, on the one's that I don't, I just don't leave anything. Mostly because I know that if I don't like it, there's probably two people that do.
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I am the type of poet that accepts harsh critisim because it shows me what I have done wrong or something I can improve on for my next poem. I won't say I like hearing people point out the flaws in my poetry but I guess I am not going to sit and complain about it. ^^
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Hey Kev
Kudos on the new look and new features. Havent been around for a while, but might stay and spent a while
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I'm surprised that most people voted for casual reviews and comments. Now I wonder how I should be commenting on people's stuff . . .
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I find that reviews effect my work in no way shape or form. I write for my own conscience.
Without a medium to regurgitate my thoughts I'd be lost in them.
It just so happens I'm willing to share.
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