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  • ea
    Aug 11 12:08 AM
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    Is "true" rhyme somehow superior to all the other types of rhyme?
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  • Scott Adelmann
    August 11
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    yawn

  • ea
    August 11
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    My feeling is that the people who insist on true rhyme are doing "rhyme" as much of a disservice as those who do not allow rhyme.

  • Matt Holck
    August 11
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    a piano wire has not the complex harmony of a bowed violin string
    but both can resonate to the same primary harmonic (note)

    • ea
      August 11
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      yes, I'll take an aged fiddle over a toy Schoenhut anyday.

  • Matt Holck
    August 11
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    Mizz wrote

    if I can't remember the words in a line
    the word will come quicker if it is true rhyme
    oh damn, never mind

    • ea
      August 11
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      lol. Good example.

  • Calanthe
    August 11
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    Superiority cannot exist - the different rhymes would be used in diferent contexts. Try to write a limerick with the half rhymes of Wilfred Owen, and it would no longer achieve comic effect, but to use the "bounce" of a simple and completer rhyme would spoil any elegaic poem. Surely each type of rhyme is "best" in its own place?

    • ea
      August 11
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      this seems like it might be a brilliant point

      and also seems like it could be limiting...

  • Cynewulf
    August 11
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    Can you define 'true' rhyme? Do you mean 'Rhyme Proper' or 'Rime Riche'? A lot of it depends on accent. I rhyme the noun 'half' with the verb ( U.S.slang sort of) 'barf'.

    Yet I would use the same 'a' sound in 'cat' as in 'path' or 'laugh'.

    Shakespeare almost certainly pronounced the 'ea' diphthong in the words 'meat' 'feat' 'wheat' 'beat' 'sea' 'pea' & 'seat' inter alia as the 'a' in lay or bay. This is still quite common in the Midlands.

    Shakespeare would quite easily have rhymed Pea with pay & sea with say, because they would have sounded the same to him. I hear this all the time in the Midlands & the Black Country.

    • ea
      August 11
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      I mean a perfect rhyme as opposed to an eye rhyme, or a slant, half or near rhyme, etc. I can't even be worried about how it's pronounced between England and the US - anyone reading it will have to get the joke of laugh being rhymed w/on my behalf.

      • Cynewulf
        August 11
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        Yes but I am saying that 'sea' & 'say' would both have sounded like 'say' to Shakespeare (in his native accent, London may have been different). In other words, not an eye rhyme.

        I think that the definition of 'Rhymes proper' is not an easy one.

        • ea
          August 11
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          Ok, I get you, Cynney, but I'm not even worried about Shakespeare...

          • Cynewulf
            August 11
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            Nobody should. I think that the idea of a proper rhyme is not necessarily an easy one to define.

            • ea
              August 11
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              well, let's hear what the experts have to say.

              • Cynewulf
                August 11
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                Now there's a column for you to write! Unfortunately I am busy writing columns 4 & 5 about the sonnet.

        • arafura
          August 11
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          I had an Irish grandfather who pronounced pee and pea as pay. Sea and see were not pronouced with the ay sound though.

          • ea
            August 11
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            you can hear people living back in the hills of the Adirondacks who still pronounce it that way, too. My point is more that it's a little dangerous to insinuate that "true rhyme" is good or preferred.

          • ea
            August 11
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            well, dangerous is not the right word - more like misleading.

            • arafura
              August 11
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              Yes, I see. But to be honest I'm not sure what the term True Rhyme really means. I suppose it is an individual thing?

              • ea
                August 11
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                it means rhyming words like case and face - not face and faze

                • arafura
                  August 11
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                  I understand now. I'm thinking about it...

                • Cynewulf
                  August 11
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                  Yes but where I come from those words don't rhyme.

          • Cynewulf
            August 11
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            I have heard Irish pronounce words like that as well. That was my point, I don't rhyme banana with bandanna but some people do.

            • ea
              August 11
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              yes, I would do so... it is incumbant upon the reader to go along with that.

            • arafura
              August 11
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              I pronounce banana as: ba-nah-nah
              Bandana as: Ban-dan-a

              They don't rhyme to me so I wouldn't rhyme them in a poem.

              • ea
                August 11
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                don't you hear enough American movies to realize that bananna is pronounced the same way as bandanna to be able to accept it when reading , though? Anyway, this is a true rhyme and I doubt it would be questioned.

                • arafura
                  August 11
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                  Yes I could accept when reading for that exact reason. I still wouldn't use it myself because it wouldn't sit right in my mind and I'd have to change those lines or delete the whole poem. Yes I am a bit strange...

                • Cynewulf
                  August 11
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                  No way is it a true rhyme. The word Banana is from the Portuguese, from an indigenous African word originally pronounced 'Ban-aan-ha'.

                  • arafura
                    August 11
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                    Well if it's Portuguese that's good enough for me!

                    Did you know that arafura comes from the Portuguese word/term for "sea of gold"?

                    • ea
                      August 11
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                      who do you think I am - Nelly Furtado?

                    • Cynewulf
                      August 11
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                      Interesting. The French for 'Sea of Gold' is 'let's make the Roast Beefs pay more into the EEC to make up for the fact that we are crappy farmers'.

                      • arafura
                        August 11
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                        Doesn't have the same ring to it... and it's a bit long for a pen name. I'll stick to arafura.

                        • Cynewulf
                          August 11
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                          Yeah, I don't think it will catch on. Neither will Farming in France.

                  • ea
                    August 11
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                    it's true enough for Whitman's rude tongue.
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