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Has been 50 or over for a few days ....
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You mean there is a "Feature" feature? And what is this "50" you are talking about? Now you're telling me there are points? You are starting to scare me.
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man 50 points
remember when 15 seemed outrageous.
i'm ancient. and sound like my grandfather "i walked to school with no shoes in the snow 5 miles each way"
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Uphill both ways.
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less chance of slipping going uphill
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Inflation?
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It is 54 now ... give us a break! The critical feature costs 41.... I remember when there wasn't a critical feature...
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What price beauty.
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Here's the way I see it:
- Points can be spent on two things: feature work and starting a contest.
- In the end the only thing you can spend them on is featuring your work.
- Points are very easy to make. After a year and a half break, I have only been back for about a month and have gotten 7,000 points in that amount of time.
- Meaning yes, it use to be down in the 15 points to feature, but now points seem to be easier to gain.
- The only way that the points actually go down in amount is by clicking and commenting on the featured work. It seems less and less people are actually clicking and commenting which means that is the reason why it continues to go up.
So what I'm saying is points don't really mean that much, they are easy to gain, and you can't do much with them. Plus, unless people are commenting on the featured work, it continues to grow in cost to feature. -
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I truly believe that if the price per click were lower, more people would be clicking because they would be planning on featuring their own work. As it is now, I hardly ever look at the feature poems anymore because I am not going to feature at the high rate.
I know that is selfish and I should be more altruistic.
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If everyone started commenting on featured work more, it would be lower.
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anyone who wants me to comment on their work can comment on mine
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Buying points generally isn't a valid option.
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I didn't buy points and am not quite sure what you are talking about.
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I rarely enter contests and if I do comment - I try to give an in-depth comment and not fly bys, I've been a member for eons and have never had 7000 points...
I currently don't have any poems here and only feature friends who I think should be read -- but I can't do that at 50 +
If that's the way it is that's the way it is but I can still gripe about it.
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Not telling you not to gripe... I'm not telling you to do anything.
In my time here on AllPoetry I've gained over 40,000 points (I use to have 25,000 points at one time). The point system isn't that complex, but I'm going to break it down real quick.
Ways to gain points:
-Comment on other people's work
-Win a contest
-Earn applauds on your work
Ways to spend points:
-Run a contest
-Feature work
-Give applauds to others.
Contests don't generate points, they are just transferring points from one member to another member.
So it really breaks down to points are earned in 3 ways, but can really only be truly spent in 1 way. Its not like you have 10 options to chose from to spend your points and its not worth featuring your work at 50 points a click. You really only have 1 option (unless you want to host a contest, etc. etc.) to use your points.
I know I'm just pointing out the obvious and you know all of this. But it seems like griping over points is just blah to me
Just showing the way I see it and I do apologize for being so long winded.
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500 points for $13.46
1500 points for $35.96
3000 points for $62.96
6000 points for $116.95
At that cost, they must mean something to someone...
which I think may just be the whole point (pardon the unintentional pun) here. -
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Buy me a candybar and I'll give you a thousand points
(Kidding!! I can't sell points due to site policy)
I like how Kevin lowered the cost of points on the site.
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like you say, who needs to buy them. All you have to do is write a couple of poems, win a couple of contests, write a couple of comments. You can't help but be rolling in them here. I only have about 300 that seemed to spontaneously regenerate overnight like mushrooms so I think I'll go feature one of Lute's poems for Lisa.
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Agreed.
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oh and some smilingspider since he's just back from a long absence and it would great for him to have some new readers..
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mushika as well.
sestos is new -- met him at another forum he could use some exposure.
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In your previous comment, you stated that they really didn't mean much and you can't do much with them, so, my question is (and the entire point of my post, which was of course missed)--why aren't they just free--period? Why do they need to be available for purchase at all? I cannot fathom why someone would need purchase them, either--however, they ARE offered at a price ("discounted" or not) by administration. The "price" to feature a poem is high, the "price" to purchase points is high, the return on receiving free points for running a contest has been decreased (to deter from "point farming")--it's kind of like the stock market around here. I have over 6000 points, if they aren't worth squat, why do they cost $116.95 to purchase?
Of course, I have digressed from the original topic.
(mandatory smiley face)
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I really do respect your voice. You aren't one to speak up often but when you do -- it is with such precision, respectful restraint and heavens ! common sense.
(not mandatory truthful)
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If points were free, the cost to feature would be infinite and the entire structure of the site would collapse. Contests could have gold: 100,000,000,000,000 points, etc. etc. Therefore, you do something to earn points, then you get to spend them on contests or featuring your work.
The point in selling points is for people who don't have many points and want them. (New members, members who like to feature their work A LOT, eh... I don't know ) Obviously I can't speak on behalf of administration or Kevin as to why they are being sold. I'm only stating why I THINK they are being sold.
When I say points are pretty much worthless, what I'm saying is that people put too much emphasis on them when there really isn't that much you can spend points on anyways.
I'm pretty sure we are simply going back and forth about apples and oranges and there is no real reason to keep debating on such a useless topic. How about we talk about politics instead? That might bring up a better fight.
Haha. Just kidding.
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I totally agree with you on this Tim:
"- The only way that the points actually go down in amount is by clicking and commenting on the featured work. It seems less and less people are actually clicking and commenting which means that is the reason why it continues to go up."
That's exactly it. If they want the price to do down, keep commenting on the featured items and it will drop. It works, but you have to have enough people doing it. -
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Agreed.
The price is based on the amount of people featuring and the amount of people actually clicking/commenting on featured work.
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Our increased points given when you comment has caused some inflation problems. I'm hoping that increased promotion of the 'leave first impressions' links will help improve the amount of commenting and thus the problem with throughput not being enough in the featured box...
Unfortunately, economies are complicated things
As you know, it's everyone bidding that sets the price in the featured box, so it gets complicated.
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I still can not find this leave first impressions link, Kevin. Where is it?
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Hi ea,
In responce to your question ea
"1 hour ago Reply
I still can not find this leave first impressions link, Kevin. Where is it?"
I hope that you don't mind me answering it for you.
1. Go to the persons page that you want to read their poetry.
2. Click "Show All" on their bio. If it doesn't have that and they've used advanced options look on the side under "My Poems" & click that.
3. Once you click that on the related links to your right you'll "Leave first impressions".
It's a great feature, and if you're running short on time I highly recommend it
One thing I do to make sure my comments are ok when using that is first type it in notepad and then copy it.
Hope that helps some
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OK, thank you, I was able to finally see what this is. It enables you to see many poems by one person - at least the start of their poems and in the case of short poem writers, the entire poems, so I see how this is a time saver when you want to read a bunch of the same poet's work, though I would probably not be inclined to comment on a poem I had not read all the way through.
The intro says "First impressions let you comment on the first bit of a poem. Points from ratings of the comment are awarded normally, though 'comment reward' bonuses are not given." -
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Have you tried doing "Quick Favorites" Underneath the my account top bar? That usually shows the full poem that is if you're not trying to relocate one of the old ones.
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I just checked that out but since I have never even started that business of adding favorites here (learned that lesson at a photoblog a few years back) it wouldn't work for me, but seems good.
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Totally understandable actually.
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Thanks for letting me know about the "quick favorites" feature.
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No problem
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I think the avarice of golden trophies and the fact that the site has become primarily a contest driven site is the main reason we have this "problem" so rare to find poems that are NOT contests poems.
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People like contests and the chance to win.
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Yes at carnivals and such. This is a site for sharing poems.
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I personally would like to see a "study" on here on exactly how much the featured points drop when people comment--I have seen people comment out their ears, and have seen poems receives oodles of comments from being featured, and yet it barely makes a dip in the points it costs to feature a poem--even if it dropped from 54 points to 45 points, that's still outrageous. I know, of course, that this "study" will never happen, but I am one of these "seeing is believing" girls. I don't feature poems any more, so it really wouldn't affect me, so even as hypocritical as I may sound here about it, just in case I ever would want to do that again (for myself or for another person), I would see exactly how this would work. I have read and read and read about how increased comments drop the cost of points to feature a poem, however it doesn't appear to be that significant of a drop. That's just my observation. Maybe many people do not think it's that big of a deal ("useless topic" I think was how it was referred to), but this topic has come up over and over again, so it must be important. I think it is.
I won't say anything more about it
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I have no idea what commenting on poems in the feature box has to do with the price of featuring.. ?? Do you?
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People want to be the top dog in the feature box, so they outbid everyone else...and so on. Sometimes they feature for 40 clicks, and it sits, stale, having been viewed by all who would be interested in taking a look.
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This is not a "useless topic" IMHO...I just spent 570 points to feature something. I used to feature all the time. And I used to buy points to use to feature my work and my friends. Now I only feature on special occasions. And, like I said before, I don't look at the feature box anymore because I don't use it very often.
I think we lost a large part of the community when we raised the price to feature price from under 20 to over 40 points.
I sure wish this would change. And it obviously is NOT going to change by people clicking on the features. If it were going to change, it would have done so already...
OK - I will shut up now - but anytime I see this topic, I like my voice to be heard.
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The poets on the site that are featuring literally decide the price. Everyone keep bidding higher because they want to show first and that is what makes it cost so much.
If the price were limited, then we would have a heap of people at say 15 points that would really just be eternal. And the poets could do that themselves now if they wanted because they would still be sitting in a line and not going anywhere.
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Points shmoints .. points mean nothing.
I have a contest up and running at the moment, 10,000 points winner takes all. Its been up for a few weeks now and only three people have entered.
If points were all important I figure people would enter a lot more contests. But they don't.
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I'm outta my data
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I agree!
Hey, go knock yourself out at those other sites without contests... *snooze* Poemhunter even has a vicious forum where you can hate poetry to your dirty pretty little ♥ content. -
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dirty pretty is not easy to write
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I just wrote a funny one. Can you feature it for me? lol.
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