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Which is your favourite psalm? Do you prefer the King James or the NIV? There are 150 psalms. I am not particularly religious but I quite like the acrostic No. 119.
After all, they were a form of song/poem.
Which is the shortest psalm? -
King James, I'll have to consider which is favourite though. Hmmmmm.
The Lord is my Shepherd, I think. -
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Short art
Which is the shortest? -
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I don't know, but I have the feeling you do...
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I think
I think it is the 117th
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Psalm 121 is my favorite in the NKJV.
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Ah, but why?
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Oh my, my Sunday school teacher never mentioned that 119 is an acrostic with the verses of each stanza beginning with the same letter of the Hebrew alphabet! Who knew?
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I Knew
I knew. It is in the King James. Which Bible were you using, anyway there were 22 verses.....it's a giveaway. -
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not when you're in third grade and have no idea of how many letters there are in Hebrew alphabet or even what an acrostic is. Heck, I was well into my dotage before I knew either of those things.
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I find that a verse I use a lot in the Psalms King James version is Psalms 83:18 do you know why?
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I note you quoted from the King James in the other link,
look up Psalms 83:18 please on page 582 It tells you what God's name is, also at Exodus 6:3 page 65 don't take my word check it then you will have seen it for yourself. Mr is a title, Doctor is a title God is a title. -
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Which edition of the KJB do you have lady mak, mine is one of those little Oxford ones you don't see any more. I have had it since I was very young. Mine is 4 pages ahead of your edition.
Yes I can see what you mean. The 'Tetragrammaton' YHVH usually translated as Jehovah. It is not known how that was actually pronounced.
The NIV just translates it as 'Lord' I think., according to cabbalistic theory there is more than one name for God. In fact there are 10 altogether, all are mentioned in Hebrew versions of the Bible. -
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and you aren't supposed to say it.
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Names Aloud
I didn't say it out loud, I'd end up in a Monty Python sketch! I've got a fwend called Biggus Diccus, penny for an ex-leper.......follow the shoe...... -
Do you know why you aren't supposed to say it?
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End Times
Because the world will end...... -
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Part of it was to do with the missapplying of the words of the third commandment; You must not take up the name of LORD thy God in a worthless way.
Jesus used Gods name as many scriptures confirm. On the night before his execution Jesus said "I have made your name manifest" John 11:6,7
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The King James version I used just is the Authorized King James Version. I have a huge big old Bible called The National Comprehensive Family Bible commentries of Scott and Henry, I don't use it much because I can hardly lift it up, very old with gold coloured clasp and pages. I have and use lots of different Bibles.
The Tetragrammaton can be represented in modern languages as YHWH or JHVH God's name represented as four consonants.
I know in the King James version that where you see the word LORD it stands for Jehovah, it appears in the KJV as LORD in most places in the Hebrew God's name forms part of the Hebrew verb ha-wah meaning "He Causes to Become."
God's name signifies him as the One who progressively fulfills his promises and purposes.
Can you think what the first thing Jesus taught his followers to pray for in the Our Father or Lord's Prayer as some know it?
Speak to you later Cynewulf, have a good day. Lady Mak -
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My KJB is the pocket one with the pictures.
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Harold be thy Name?
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Very good
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We used to have a fruit and veg man called Harold coming round with a horse and cart I wonder if it's the same one?
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hahaha, that's droll. We are only here to establish that the "verse" in Bible verse is poetic.
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Was someone saying it isn't?
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Sorry Jehovah, sorry ea..
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PSALM 23
The LORD is my shepherd; I shall not want.
He maketh me lie down in green pastures:
he leadeth me beside the still waters.
He restoreth my soul: he leadeth me
in the paths of righteousness for
his name's sake.
Yea, though I walk through the
valley of the shadow of death, I will
fear no evil: for thou art with me: thy
rod and thy staff they comfort me.
Thou preparest a table before me in
the presence of mine enemies: thou
anointest my head with oil; my cup
runneth over.
Surely goodness and mercy shall
follow me all the days of my life: and
I will dwell in the house of the LORD
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I decided I should start reading this to my six-year-old at bedtime. She's been exposed to it in Kindergarten and in her Methodist Sunday school, but only in German. Germany doesn't have a separation of church and state the way the U.S. does.
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A wise decision.
Psalms 119:105
Your word is a lamp to my foot
And a light to my roadway.
True story.
A little boy was reading the above Psalms to his daddy, he read; "Your word is a lamp to my foot, and a light to my pathway."
His daddy looked at him and said "No son, it reads; Your word is a lamp to my foot, and a light to my roadway."
The little boy read it again to his daddy, "Your word is a lamp to my foot, and a light to my pathway."
"Son the word is roadway... not pathway"
"I know daddy, but mummy said I'm not to walk in the roadway only on the pathway."
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I've been told that in a lot of UK schools they are taught evolution instead, don't know if it is true, I know the Catholic Schools teach religion... but on the other hand several Catholics I have spoken with don't use or beleive the Bible.. how confusing it must be for them.
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In Germany, you are given a choice between Lutheran, Catholic or Ethics (World Religion) but you must take it all the way through.
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Psalm 91
He that dwelleth in the secret place
of the most High shall abide un-
der the shadow of the Almighty.
I will say to the LORD, He is my
refuge and my fortress: my God in
him will I trust.
Surely he will deliver thee from
the snare of the fowler, and from the
noisome pestilence.
he will cover thee with his feath-
ers and under his wings shalt thou
trust: his truth shall be thy shield and
buckler.
Thou shalt not be afraid for the
terror by night; nor for the arrow that
flieth by day;
Nor for the pestilence that walketh
in darkness; nor for the desruction
that wasteth at noonday.
A thousand shall fall at thy side,
and ten thousand at thy right hand;
but it shall not come nigh thee.
Only with thy eyes shalt though be-
hold and see the reward of the wicked.
Because thou hast made the LORD,
which is my refuge, even the most
High, thy habitation;
There shall no evil befall thee,
neither shall any plague come nigh thy
dwelling
For he shall give his angels charge
over thee, to keep thee in all thy ways
they shall bear thee up in their
hands, lest thou dash thy foot against
a stone.
Tho shalt tread upon the lion and
adder: the young lion and the the dragon
shalt thou trample under feet.
Because he hath set his love upon
me,therefore will I deliver him: I will
set him upon high, because he hath
known my name.
He shall call upon me, and I will
answer him; I will be with him in
trouble; I will deliver him, and hon-
our him.
With long life will I satisfy him
and shew him my salvation.
To edit.
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I am just impressed you have the patience to type that all in...I would have cheated & scanned it. I like my pocket KJB, it has pictures.
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In the most high secret place,
he dwells under god's shadow.
He is my refuge and fortress.
I trust my god in him.
He delivers thee from fowler snare and noisome pestilence.
Truth shall sheild thee coddled under his feathered wings.
Thou shalt not fear
terror by night; nor arrow by day;
though thousand fall at thy side.
There shall no evil befall thee,
nor plague
He sends angels to bear thee up in their hands,
that would watch both head and foot.
A serpent or lion underfoet would be trampled.
I deliver him because he loves me.
I set him high because he knows my name.
He calls me, and I answer.
I will be with him in trouble and honour him.
With long life will I satisfy him
and shew him my salvation.
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Gimme Psalm Loving
Is that from the KJB Matt, or have you impro'd it, it is very good. -
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thanks
I editted the post above
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Thank you for sending me this, what a lovely surpise when I turned my computer on.
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I can't type either, I haven't got a clue about computers, they say a picture say's a thousand word's. It is so nice to come on here and not have somebody wanting to rip my head off for quoting scripture, very enjoyable Cynewulf, thank you for such a lovely thread. Your english is superb, I love it.
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That's very nice of you to say, I am not that religious but the KJB particularly has had an enormous impact on English literature. The psalms are poetry in themselves. I think some of them have helped everyone at some point in their lives.
The English novel was in fact kick-started by a combination of censorship of the theatre (Walpole government) & the influence of the epistles of Paul. The first English novels were written in 'epistles' or letters to & from the various protagonists within them. Richardson's 'Pamela' being one of the earliest examples of this.
Did you know, the archaic pronoun 'Thou' (nominative case/Impersonal) was used in the commandments because it gave them a sense of 'gravitas'? The pronoun itself was already old fashioned by the time of King James.
It does give them a sound that can be appreciated to this day.
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What does "gravitas" mean? I think it means weight and authority is that correct? So is it okay to come on here and write Psalms and perhaps little comments?
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Psalm enchanted evening
Yes, I believe it is derived from the Latin 'Gravis'; heavy. I am not sure how it got into English. It is possibly Norman or was adopted from a Romance source during the development of Chancery English.
'Thou' was also used as the impersonal or non-familial pronoun as opposed to the familail 'Thee'. Thee is still used as the familial in some Northern English dialects, as 'you' is used as the impersonal.
'Yeow' (pronounced Yow) is still used in some Midlands & Mercian dialects for 'you'. Although it was normally dative (indirect). 'Yourn' 'Yeowan' & 'Yeowrs' are often used still in the Midlands as the genitive form of 'Yours'.
You can come on here & write the psalms in their original Aramaic if you want. I started the post to discuss the Psalms! Feel free. -
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Very, very interesting, my education was only secondary modern. I even failed my 11 plus. (sad a..) Still I love learning and yes, "Thou " does sound far more authoritive than the word "You". Strange how the modern day meaning of words have changed as well.
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Ecclesiastes
Here's the story of how Pete Seeger turned this into one of the best loved songs of the sixties (the Byrds had a hit with it) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9WT6-BIav2I -
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Dig those shades & Ricky 330 guitars
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yes, I dig it. That David Crosby is such a munchkin.
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Psalms 72:12-14
For he will deliver the poor one
crying for help,
Also the afflicted one and who-
ever has no helper
He will feel sorry for the lowly one
and the poor one.
And the souls of the poor ones
he will save
From oppression and from violence
he will redeem their soul
And their blood will be precious
in his eyes.
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Thank you for that Lady Mak. I have just had a thought, are you typing these directly into the threads? I have discovered it is probably best to type it up in MS Word, save it (in case you lose it) & copy & paste it into the thread.
It can break your heart to spend an hour typing something into a thread, & then you accidentally erase it before posting! -
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Yes, I do have Microsoft Word on my computer? see, I edited this after reading your reply and put in capital letters for MS... there's hope for me yet!
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I don't know how to copy and paste, I have never been taught, if I type it into MS Word can you tell me what to do next please? See outside your job as a teacher of English, is it English Literature? you are still being asked to teach (smile). I have done that in the past, typed out and lost it! a pain.
I am going to look into what you said as soon as I can, alas until I learn type... type... type....whoops... speak to you later when I post some more Psalms, very educational for me and thanks for that Cynewulf, keep well and have a great day!
kind Thought and Wishes
Lady Mak.
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