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I know humour can be cultural or regional & is very subjective. Is it necessary for the poet or writer to have a sense of humour? Does not having a sense of humour connect with a lack of social skills? What exactly is humour & does anyone have a favourite humorous poem or poet?
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Perhaps an ancillary question should be, "If someone doesn't laugh at a joke, does it mean the person has no sense of humor or does it mean the joke wasn't nearly as funny as thought?"
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I'm pretty sure everyone has a sense of humor - some have less sense than others, though.
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wow, you should must definitely submit this to the member's quote of the day program.
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Those who can, do. Those who can't, teach.
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Jeux sans Frontiers
OK, how about: Those who can, do. Those who can't, teach, & those who can't teach, teach sociology. -
Freud & his funny organ
Have you read 'Wit & the Unconscious' by Freud. He has some very interesting ideas in it. I am not a Freudian by any means, but it is a more complex thing socially than we realise. My question is, what function does humour have in human interactions & society? -
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I read excerpts back in University, but it was a survey course, so we didn't really have time to study it.
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Me too. I think I got the short end of the stick.
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At least you got the stick.
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There really are all sorts of humor. In some situations, humor can be inappropriate - sophomoric humor, black comedy, etc - but those very types of humor are perfectly acceptable in the proper context.
I guess it is crucial (as with all communication) to consider the intended audience.
On the other hand, humor is often used as a weak disguise for putdowns. People often hide their true feelings with humor (or, worse, excuse their rudeness toward another person by couching it in a witty putdown).
So, for me, the question comes down to what is intended by the humor.
And, yes, it is important for a writer - inasmuch as it is a part of the human condition and anyone who really wants to write effectively will strive to grasp as much of the human condition as is possible. -
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strive to grasp as much of the human condition as is possible.
the world is larger than the human condition -
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and yet it can be grasped in the translated dewdrop hanging off a blade of haiku grass, hopper.
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ahhh glasshopper
Very good........Why do you call yourself after the Babylonian deity also known as Enki? Enquiring minds want to know... -
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because I'm the father of all the mermaids.
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But, we define the world by use of the senses - so even those conditions beyond the human realm must be framed in a human context in order for them to be grasped.
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This sounds like phenomenology...
I have been trying to get my head around phenomenology & its relation to the perception of literature for a long time. -
no doubt humans experience what is human
but we still see the world around us -
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As filtered throught he human senses - therefore part of the human experience.
Those things entirely beyond the human experience are generally considered ineffable - and would not be knowable, let alone translateable into language. -
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Ultralogos
Aleister Crowley said that the artist will always be superior to the mystic in the respect that the artist can try & define the metaphysical & transmit that through his art. The mystic cannot. -
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He can try. I am reminded of my studies of religious mystical experiences. In describing such an experience, the subject must resort to "like" and "as if" - the experience is beyond the normal realm of human experience, beyond sensory knowledge.
We discussed the concept of "ding an sich" - the thing as it is - as opposed to the human perception of a thing. If I could capture the ding an sich, would it even be of any value? The experience is mine, and knowing it won't make it yours (so to speak). -
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ontology again
ding an sich, is that Heidegger?
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I don't think birds translate all they preceive through singing to each other -
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I am not sure I get your point. Birds are not sentient.
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lol
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I'd laugh, too but
you're pretty scary, Scott.
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I think that properly directed humour does play a big part in interactions and society, after all we all like to feel in a good humour. But then we sadly get some who misdirect their own ideas of bad humour, that they hope to acheive at the expence of others, through sarcasm and belittling others, so basically dependant on how the source of humour is directed, it can either be constructive and beneficial, or destructive and in bad taste dependent on it's objectivity, to unite or separate society. Just my thoughts...
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Funny Bones of contention
I was wondering if there is more to humour than just 'funniness' do you think it may have a deeper function for us as a species? As far as I know we are the only animal that laughs. -
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Yes... I do beleive that the way we say something, adding the feel good humour, rather than a derogatory humour can sometimes help to acheive a purpose, or calm an angry situation. It does not neccesarily have to be funny. Just something that causes others to feel good.
I have personally found that by adding slight meaningful humour in a pleasing, happy, not necessarily funny way, it can be a beneficial learning aid with both children and adults as we all like to feel pleasantly comfortable, refreshed and happy.
I personally think that pleasant, pleasing humour, conversation and poetry can oil the squeaky hinges as to speak and help things to run smoother.
You mentioned that as far as you know we are the only animal that laughs, I am sure my daughters dog laughs, you should see his face when we are talking about him.
Or it could be that we are made in the image of God and show a similair pleasant sense of humour the same as he shows, because in the Bible God is also referred to as the Happy God and to be happy God must have a sense of humour.
So I suppose you could say a spoonful of sugar makes the medicine go down if you see what I mean by comparing the above two paragraph.
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sophomoronic
Sorry Scott, you will have to explain 'sophomoric' humour, even my spell checker doesn't recognise the word. I knew I shouldn't have downloaded firefox..... -
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I get it
It is not a term known generally in Britain. Our degree courses are 3 years not 2 years. We just refer to what year you are in, ie, 1st, 2nd, or 3rd. -
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Are we slower, or do we learn more?
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I don't know
I don't know, & to be honest I don't really care. I don't know if it makes us any cleverer as a race. Mind you, we did invent most of the modern world (Television, the jet engine, the steam engine & railway, parliamentary democracy, radio, radar, the police force, SST commercial aeroplanes, vertical take off aeroplanes, the supersonic car, the industrial revolution, tilting trains, the electronic computer, the first ram memory, the world wide web, the transverse car engine, the hovercraft, time (GMT), the jet airliner, liquid crystal displays, & the list goes on.......) -
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Excuse me, I do believe that it was a NZer who invented the first (pulse) jet engine, a Mr Hamilton.
I could be wrong, but I hope not.
New Zealanders invented the best way to eat stuffed Englishmen, too. -
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Jet jet jet jetting away
So, who was Sir Frank Whittle. Anyway the Gloster Meteor was the first jet fighter in service, beating the Me 262 by 10 days! -
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You designed it, we built it, and the japanese perfected it. Who wins?
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ideally everbody
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Americans invented Twinkies. Velcro. Sticky notes. (Not to mention MS-DOS, the internet, and, best of all, basketball.)
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What ball?
Oh I don't know about basketball, girls play it in English schools, & have done for over a hundred years, except they call it netball!
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Are you kidding me? The Germans and the Americans have you Limeys over a barrel.
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You have the best example I have seen of it in years chasing you around these threads.
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That big pond
We call first year students 'freshers' but have no particular term for the other two years. I don't know why you only have two year degree courses. -
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Usually we matriculate like this:
Grades 1 thru 5 (or 4) - Elementary School
Grades 6 (or 5) thru 9 (or 8) - Middle School
Grades 10 (or 9) thru 12 - High School.
We have two-year college degrees called "Associate's Degrees. They are generally worthless on their own, but can be applied toward a University degree (B.S. or B.A.).
Most English degrees are Bachelors of Art, but the better Universities offer a Bachelor of Science in English, as well.
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Bukowski never ceases to make me laugh. Dahl is an other killer humorist.
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Beat it!
I never thought that Bukowski really got the fame he deserved. The other beat poets are well known. He always seemed a bit obscure, well in the UK anyway. -
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Bukowski is HUGE in Germany. He's not a beat poet - he just gets lumped in with those guys because of his association with Ferlinghetti.
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To beat or not to beat, that is the question
OK. I am not that familiar with his poetry. I have read some. I always had this feeling he wasn't really that close to the beat poets. Why is he so popular in Germany? He is virtually unknown in the UK. -
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In America, Bukowski is generally considered a god. I would agree that he really doesn't write what we would normally consider Beat poetry, but, no matter what you call it, I'll take it over Ginsburg (personal taste).
This would probably be a case of academia vs. regular folk. I remember my professor spending a good deal of time oooo-ing and ah-ing over "Howl" - while Ferlinghetti, Brautigan, and Bukowski were given short shrift. -
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de gustibus non est disputandum
I like Ferlinghetti, don't know much about Brautigan, & will have to read more Bukowski. I like Ginsberg, but I think he spoiled some fantastic poems by wallowing in homo-eroticism & just trying to offend. I remember when he kicked the bucket. Some friends & myself went down the pub & had a few beers, it just seemed like something important had ended. I don't know why though, it wasn't really my generation.
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Because he doesn't beat around the bush.
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