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I am new to this site, and I may have missed a filter. I have posted one poem that is clearly intended for consideration and appreciation by adults. I listed it in categories Adult and Erotica. To my dismay it has been viewed at least twice by users who identify themselves as teenagers. What can I do to keep teens from viewing poems listed as Adult or Erotica?
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You do not do a thing to stop 'teenagers' from viewing your work....the site will do this for you automatically .... but may I suggest you check out the policy on what is considered to be 'adult'..... it may not be what you think.
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Hmmm. I just read through the policy pages I could find. It seems pretty clear that sexually explicit material is to be off limits to minors.
Maybe there's not a real issue. Does a minor's attempt to view, even if prevented by the site, get listed as a view?
Even without vulgarities or profanity, images may still be quite explicit. If I do post material intended only for adults, is there anything more I should do besides listing it in the categories, Adult, Adult Humor or Erotica? -
Any post listed in the 'adult, abuse, erotic' categories are atuomatically filtered so that minors are prevented from viewing them.
That being said... that filter only applies to members under 15 yrs of age.
It has been considered that 15 and over are allowed to view adult material on AP
AnnD
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OK, I understand the age cut off now. I may have missed that on the policy pages. I was under the impression that 18 was the low age for viewing adult material.
15 seems young for some of the adult postings I have viewed. It is what it is, however. Now it's up to the actual adults on this site to keep in mind that kids of that age can view anything here.
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"Now it's up to the actual adults on this site to keep in mind..."
Are you serious? Honestly, what exactly is the harm here? If you have access to actual data on the deleterious effects of adult poetry to people of that age group I'd appreciate your sharing it. -
The sort of kids that would be reading it probably wouldn't deem it unsuitable, and those who stumble across it by mistake are hardly going to make the same mistake again in a urry. Besides, at 15 most people (as far as I'm aware) will have seen a lot more than most adults expect.
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The filtering is only as good as the honesty of the minor. Anyone can enroll themselves as an adult. No one checks I.D.'s.
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I shall pray for the souls of those teenagers, that they won't be corrupted by one freaking poem.
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Shameful.
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Perhaps that was the intent.
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Well, thank you. I appreciate the sincerity of your replies and your concern for the younger users on this site. They are probably exposed to and have access to much more graphic and explicit material than I would ever post. It just freaked me out a little to see that kids of that age had viewed material so clearly intended for adults with adult experiences and sensitivity.
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This is an issue that goes back and forth both ways. Many adults feel 15 years old is much too young to view adult themed writing and think the proper age should be raised to 18, but on the other side, the younger teens feel there should not be an age limit to view any poetry on the site. The viewable age for writings marked as adult, abuse, erotica, or adult humor has been 15 years old since mid 2005. I doubt it will be changed anytime soon.
The only people that cannot view postings in the adult categories are: guests or members not logged in.
Unfortunately, many teens lie about their age simply so they can view these forbidden and "inappropriate" items.
Personally, I think Allpoetry teenagers will read what they want to, regardless if the writer is appealing to a different audience or faction. For example: if a 16 year old clicks on an erotica poem, she/he probably wanted to read it in the first place. (The use of categories usually help determine if the potential reader is interested in a post, since categories give a slight idea of what a poem is about.) However, if a member is offended by adult themes or just does not want to click and view adult content, abuse writing, or profanity, there is a filter conveniently located in the account/display settings that can be checked to hide that type of content.
To answer your question: "Does a minor's attempt to view, even if prevented by the site, get listed as a view?"
No, it does not get listed as a view to your poem. Anyone under the age of 15 that tries to read an adult post is sent directly to the Allpoetry homepage with a message stating that they cannot read adult material due to their age.
Kevin's column is a useful tool in this issue: http://allpoetry.com/column/show/1265513. The comments on the column also show the broad range of opinions about this matter. -
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I understand teen curiosity, which all things considered is normal and healthy. I still remember knowing what I knew and wanting to know more.
I'm so new here that I am not about to suggest a policy review. I just think adults should be concerned about too early access to knowledge which teens may not be psychologically or socially prepared to handle.
I will check out Kevin's column.
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Every Allpoetry writer should be mindful with what they post, as they are posting it on the Internet for all to see. However, age does not necessarily define maturity levels or mental capacity. In my opinion, a teenager cannot lose every inch of their innocence while reading adult content on Allpoetry. Although, I can respect your concern. Some of the adult postings are not even tasteful or decent enough for older viewers to read.
You're welcome.
On a side note, I think one needs to be 18 or older to be able to enter and post in the "Adult Board 'The Pub'" which is the site's adult forum. -
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The minimum age in "The Pub" is also 15.
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Hmmm, I didn't know that. (I do not visit "The Pub" very often.) Thank you for correcting me.
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Why should it be the adults' job to look out for teens who obviously want to read such work anyway? By choosing to view material the site deems inappropriate for them, they're defining themselves as adults and thus are saying they're mature enough to handle it. If it offends them in some way, too bad.
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I'm 16, but I normally don't read the 'adult/erotica' poems written by adults. I read the ones placed into that category by teens my age, though.
What I was wondering is if there could be a 'teen' category for poetry. Kind of like a 'PG-13' rating for a movie. That way, maybe the cut off for 'adult' poetry could be raised a bit (possibly to age 18), but teenagers can still read the 'PG-13' poetry.
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My original question is answered, and my misconception regarding age groups which are allowed access to adult material has been corrected.
I like rockerchkpoet's idea very much. If anyone knows how to move that up the line for a policy review, please let her know.
The policies, rules and guidelines are pretty clear, if not immediately apparent. To learn what they are, follow them and/or attempt to change them through civil discourse with other users and the site administration are responsibilities for each user.
We are not coerced to remain on the site, or post or view items we find objectionable. My personal concern about interaction with teenagers regarding adult oriented materials is my responsibility to address as I add items or comments here. If we are parents or guardians of minors with access to this site, our family policies remain our personal responsibility.
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I welcome you to the site, sir. You appear to be an intelligent, articulate person with a genuine desire to show decency with concern for others. You do not rise to "barbs" tossed in to be controversial and you respond with respect. No doubt you will be a welcome addition to the site.
To some people, moral standard has meaning. To others it does not. We can only do what we feel is best based on our own values. The 15 year old adult rating is something I've never agreed with, either, but that's the way it is and will, I'm sure, remain, until the owner either sells the site or has his own 15 year old daughter
Again, welcome. There are many good people here and the vast majority of them do indeed have decent moral standards and values. -
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I reckon if Kevin ever has a 15 year old they'll celebrate the date with reading everything not decent posted on Pop's website?
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ya think?
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Are you implying that someone who does agree with the 15-year-old adult rating doesn't have decent moral standards and values?
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I made no such statement or implication. If your personal self-defensiveness somehow makes you relate them to yourself, then that's your problem. Once again your paranoia seems to surface here, a recurring trait, it appears.
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I didn't say that you said or implied it, I was merely asking a question. Self-defensiveness, indeed.
Anyway, what is it you people always tell us about accepting the site rules again? Works both ways, so I'll assume confidently that we won't have to hear you whine about this particular rule anymore.
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Actually, you have never heard me whine about it. Stating that one is or is not in agreement with a rule or not is not whining.
Complaining incessantly about the rules, using sarcasm and insults toward the administration for enforcing such rules and actions like that....now THAT'S whining. Who could know that better than you?
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Using sarcasm is whining? Seriously, dude, you're going to have to lend me your dictionary some time, as your twisted redefinitions of the most basic terms confound me.
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I think if they can write it, they can read it. So maybe you should have a system where if someone wanted to view your adult poem, you can allow them too, like friend requests, only it's read requests, so you could check them out and see what sort of stuff they are writing, and what sort of person they are. But then, would you get any reads if they had to wait around for you to allow them? Anyway, just an idea.
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I always stated as a mod and I still state that the age for viewing adult material should be set higher than 15, just out of decency, not that it would stop those underage viewers who wish to view from stating their age as older, but at least that way this site would have set a higher "moral standard"if you will, therefore protecting themselves against any litigation which could arise from allowing 15 year olds to view adult material.
unfortunately you can do nothing other than rate your poetry appropriately in the adult category, at least that way you have done your part...peace -
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I sincerely doubt that the threat of litigation is a serious possibility here. To even entertain it as a fleeting notion is ridiculous to the extreme.
And trying to cite 'moral standard' as an excuse to create a system that will allow for abuses in censorship is irresponsible and shortsighted. It's nothing but a selfish attempt to satisfy some vague, irrational sense of duty and obligation. -
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"I sincerely doubt that the threat of litigation is a serious possibility here. To even entertain it as a fleeting notion is ridiculous to the extreme."
Really! in a world full of lawsuits both frivoluos and just you feel sure enough to make such a statement? ask Monte, I am sure his thinking would be different. And to state that my suggestion is ridiculous to the extreme is an obvious but feeble attempt to take a swipe at me....whatever, we have different opinions and I am not about to get into a pissing match over it...peace
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OGBO,
My problem with decency policies is that who decides what is the realm of the definition -- decent ?
Lisa
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well LIsa, on this site Kevin sets the definition as it is his site and his rules apply- thats a no brainer
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OGBO,
You're right!
I keep forgetting this is a Social Design and not a Community that allows members to be involved in the development of policies and procedures (although I have over the years witnessed Kevin's ability to listen when people bring reasonable ideas to the table)
Happens from time to time -- I forget that when I joined I accepted that the person who makes all the money gets to decide for everyone what is decent and not. Not complaining just reminding myself.
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members can be involved in the development of policies and procedures
just don't expect to get paid
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Come on, folks, lighten up and let's all take a chill pill. There are divergent viewpoints on the issue of age restricted content, and most of us believe we hold the moral or logical high ground with ours.
I know the rules now, and so do the rest of us. Some of you are sympathetic to my concerns, and some of you are not. As long as we all acknowledge the rules to the letter, and follow our consciences as to what we post and view, I do not see much of an issue.
Now, for you folks who are able to respond only with ad hominem attacks or by dissing someone else's value systems either forthrightly or passive-aggressively, why don't you open a new topic?
My suggestion: Why are people who disagree with me deserving of the same respect and consideration I expect for myself? -
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You're right; there's no issue here, although it's rather peculiar that a simple request for the data that might justify the paranoia of the morally superior has been cavalierly ignored. Peculiar, but not entirely surprising.
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rite of passage into adulthood seems a human norm
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Chill...
Okay I think everyone is making a HUGE deal out of nothing. If teens (of any age) want to read that stuff than more power to them. It's not like they can't lie about their age anyways, like every other myspace, facebook, or chat room sight. For the teens or other people that don't the fillter is great. -
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Yeah, actually, teens can lie about their age. You can type in any old number you want in the age edit box, and that's what age you are on AP.
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Even young people lie about such things!?
You mean cynical, desperate adults thirsting for attention, affection or approbation are not the only ones who misrepresent themselves here!? Now my faith in the integrity of young people is just as tattered as my trust for disappointed-by-life-middle-aged arrested adolescents!
Most of us are aware that not all of us are entirely truthful here, anymore than we are anywhere else when the facts about us are not generally known or easily discovered. Of course, it is easier for a 14 year old (or a 54 year old) to claim to be 18 or 21 here than it is in person. Integrity and respect for oneself and others are ultimately the responsibility of individuals and cannot be enforced by any rule.
Other than the supportive guidance rec'd from folks who care for them and their happiness, I believe it's best for people to expand their awareness of or experience some things through interaction with others their own age.
I will probably post more material with adult content here, but I am more aware of who may be looking now. I hope everyone finds this site to be a positive creative outlet and edifying to the spirit and the soul.
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this whole concern seems like censorship
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It is Censorship!
However, there is a priori censorship of which a community's members are aware and to which they freely agree as a condition of membership. This is very different from censorship which limits and penalizes expression without the consent of those subject to it.
Censorship is deemed oppressive only to the extent that it is not based on one's own value system. AP is a private site where people who agree to the rules pay to join. The site managers have determined they prefer participation which is respectful and responsible - based on their values.
If we agree WITH the rules, it is because they are in accordance with our own values. If we agree TO the rules, it is our choice to do so. If we do not agree with and do not want to abide by the rules, we should not be here. -
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I could not have said it better myself...and I have tried
. BRAVO!!
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Is it not true though, that private "clubs" in the United States are governed by the laws of that country? Isn't there an ammendment in our constitution that protects freedom of speech and that censorship can and is challenged when it occurs, like George Carlin's comedic spiel about the seven words you can't say on TV - I mention it because he died and it's in the news.
If the stuff here is marked "adult" - there should be nothing censored in terms of people's poetry. And even the images, anyone, even a kid, can go to the wikipedia, look under sex positions and see it all, so if it is here and marked as adult... it is up to the would-be-offended-user to use their adult filter.
AP could easily get rid of the image problem, by not allowing images - but it would lose a lot of money, wouldn't it? Because isn't that why people pay for silver and gold memberships mainly? To post images? -
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I think people pay because they appreciate Kevin's work
I have to buy a another poetry book first
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