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Dirty Pretty is: A Rock Bar
http://www.dirtypretty.com/
That's it. It isn't anything else but that. There is a music group called "Dirty Pretty Things", which there's a movie from 2002 with the same title; and I bet you anything that the person who decided to name their form of poetry after it either saw the movie or listens to the group.
If you look up "Dirty Pretty Poetry" on the internet, do you know how many poetry websites you'll find it at?
That's right 1. This one.
[note: it is at criticalpoet.com and a myspace.com page (and apparently a porn website) but I bet the one who's at the former, and latter are member(s) of this website]
So, this is what "dirty pretty" poetry is, in my opinion:
Badly written abstract poetry, which "abstract" poetry has been around for a very long long time. Just because someone sticks a name on something, doesn't mean they invented it. I could show you dozens of shitty poems I used to write in the same basic form, and those are from years ago.
It only exists here at Allpoetry. If it caught on, don't you think people would be writing it elsewhere?
But they are: because abstract poetry still exists. Mmmmk.
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well done.
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It's someone taking credit for a form they didn't create. It's like little children thinking they just created something when in all likelihood it's already been done before.
It's just, compared to those who've done it before, these children can't realize it's awful. I read one single "dirty pretty" poem that I thought had potential to be good but it was still bad. I didn't leave a comment on it because I would have suggested they remove most of the nonsensical crap they had all over it. Because the words written were tantamount to being a really great piece but all the "glitter" was blocking it.
I saw no point.
I can understand abstract poetry. Certain words or letters are left off, some are written in a form that is different than the rest. There are adages to certain aspects that normally wouldn't be there. But, this just looks like someone throwing glitter on a piece of artwork and making it worse.
My opinion.
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I held a contest for dirty pretty poetry once; I accepted anything that could fall under that genre. My only rule was that the poet had to explain his/her reasoning for weird punctuation and the like.
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Yup.
All that is good about dirty pretty seems to exist already under numerous names (abstract, performative writing, performative text-based writing...) depending on where and when the poem was written. Unfortunately, most dirty pretty is more hung up on the fONtS//&&sLaSHes than the vocabulary therein. That's where it falls down.
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Take out the words and there's nothing there.
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It's weird.. half these kids are putting me on their ignore list for telling them to punctuate.. soon the other half will probably ignore me for telling them to stop punctuating.
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29 people have me on their ignore list. It used to be over 60 people but I think something happened when I combined two previous aliases into this one.
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I've read that before. "It may have originated from Allpoetry .. that's up for debate."
It's just abstract poetry. That's all it is. Someone sticking a shitty name to it.
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just used
semi-slick pages of colorized coupons
to absorb grease from chorizo (red with paprika)
before enfolding the sausage into the eggs
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My definition
A couple days ago in a poem, I referred to it as the poems that live where language went to the elephant's graveyard of thought.lol. -
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when new threads on the subject keep sproating up!
PLEASE, make a sTickY of this [subject]
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There's a "dirty pretty" contest up:
http://allpoetry.com/contest/2367092
I looked over the "finalist" poems and 1. really badly written pieces, and 2. how are they any different than any other poems out there?
One of the finalist just has spacing. My work has spacing, but, at least with my work the spacing is there for a reason (i.e. punctuation, breath, thought etc.,) their spacing seems to be trivial.
Little girls thinking they made something up when it already exists. -
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you know
if a were to suggest the winners of a contest were poor
I'd be accused of writing to a double standard
don't let them tell you they didn't use your idea
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So I went and read up on dirty pretty and read some of the poetry. and am trying to see why it might be consider not good.
I find that for some reason when it comes to writing if you do not fit the norm then it is not consider good.
I have never written to please anybody but myself and I have had people say it was bad base on punctuation, grammar and structure.
I went to this website FreeforallPoetry, yeah will not so free for all they did not allow you to reply to the comments made about your work and if you did you be were deleted.
That sight showed me how there are a lot of uptight people out there in the world who think cause they read a few poetry books, or can write like some great poet in the book, by the way a person becasue great base on the people who buy into what they are selling.
Saying what is good or bad poetry to me is like saying what is good or bad art. And I thought being a black women who was queer is tough, try being poor poetry, just can't get in anywhere, this groups loves you but this group hates you because of how another is using you.
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"Dirty Pretty" poetry, when applied and well written is just "abstract poetry" which exists already. It's just some preteen and/or adolescent teens slapping a different name on it, and saying they invented it when it's been written before.
Also, mainly all "Dirty Pretty" poems (if one calls them that) is more "glitter" than "words".
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Abstract, Abstract let me be!
Keep that empty far from me!
Just keep your cool
Now your starting to drool
Hey Fongool, I'm Dirty Pretty!
-Synthetic Grease
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Maybe there are people who have done it.
It isn't prejudice; we aren't saying that abstract poetry can't be good. What a lot of us, as experienced poets are doing, is judging the work (it IS work- it is a piece of craftwork) relative to what we have read, and how they use skills which we have experience of using.
I notice that in a passive way, you seem to have placed in the eternal role of white men, oppressing others. You bring in themes of difference and then mention gender, sexual orientation and colour. I for one am neither white, nor male, nor out to get anyone; my role models are people who refused to lower their standards when others would have them do so. Had Ghandi not studied rhetoric, and just yelled what he felt with no craft, India might not be free. The same goes for poetry; what if Maya Anjelou or Sylvia Plath had just randomly jotted down their feelings? Their craftwork and learning- including learning when to re-do something because it wasn't good enough, made them the icons that they are today. Having high standards doesn't make one a bully; settling for less and being afraid of being labelled a 'nerd' or 'uptight' for having standards is bullying of self, and limits potential.
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I am [[soo]] s i c k of t*h*i*s d.i.r.t.y **pretty** [[crap]]
[shallow] w/o/r/d/s && [[empty]] :meaningless:
** c a n d y c o a t e d** /b u l l s h i t **
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&&p l e a s e s/t/o/p g.i.v.i.n.g ALL the [[REAL]]
;;poets on THE s*i*t*e a [/bad/] nAmE...
go [[D*I*E]]
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I think I just choked on some glitter!
I apologize to anyone whose eyes I just made bleed, but I had to poke some fun! "Dirty-pretty" is an abomination upon society that needs to be stopped! the first time I read it, I instantly felt the overwhelming urge to puke... Anyone who calls themselves "dark" and "dirty-pretty" in the same breath is making a mockery of art. Poetry IS an art form, I should hope, so let's treat it as such.
Remember, spellcheck is your FRIEND
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then you can describe to me your {(~~M~3~]>~7~~)}
you have some sense of decoration
I'd like to see it applied to something more concrete
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HAHA thank you, my friend. That is why I am an artist, poet, and linguist. None of that glitter-clogged bullshit... I just saw a contest for it and thought I'd have some fun with the teenagers who think it's "creative".
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well
creating accented punctuation takes Effort and Experimentation
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Indeed, it does. When you're bombarded by enough of it on the site, it's really not that hard... Just throw in a comma here, an asterisk there, and there you have it... DP: Disappointing Poetry!
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this thread seems trollish
I hope a better dirty prety tread comes along
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Angels and Jesus? What's that got to do with anything?
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everything a white wash for higher beauty
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dirty pretty is apparently a bit more fascinating than anything else going on here at AP.
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I've been a member on this site for a little over a month and have been mystified by this 'dirty pretty' phrase that keeps cropping up. I must go and read some to see how bad it really is!
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I was not at all thinking about white men controlling. Am sorry for not being clear. I was thinking about how I feel being black and queer and liking white women.
How I do not fit in with some of my peers because at times I am not black enough because I date white women and I am not queer enough because I was married to a man. I was thinking of myself and how I am treated and related that to poetry and how it is treated by others.
To where as some poetry at times is not good enought to be poetry. That is where I was coming from. I am by no means passives but I do understand where you would have gotten that idea.
I know in this world what one person considers something to be someone else might not unless it is put into a form that society is use to seeing it in.
I wonder if Poe would have liked Dirty Poetry, would it be conside great works of art.
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I'm not quite sure you understood the point I was making. To place an idea in a passive role is to say something by hinting; I wasn't calling you passive.
Reading and writing are both really important to poetry. Dirty Pretty is often a method used to disguise poorly chosen words, like they used to spice 'gone off' meat in the old days. It makes what isn't good a little more interesting.
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This is the only "dirty pretty" poem I found with any real substance. It was entered into a Contest of mine and I gave it a "nod" with those who placed (by listing the poem with them). If I gave out HM's, it probably would have received one:
http://allpoetry.com/poem/2874670
The only one
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here's a device I used in a dirty pretty poem recently to denote a broken personality
[mir][ror]
To me, as a visual artist first and foremost, it adds a whole new dimension. -
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My whole point is: dirty pretty is just abstract poetry with someone else slapping a new name on it, and saying they invented it.
I have poems from back in 2002 that could be considered, by the standards of those who write "dirty pretty" poems today, as being "dirty pretty".
You know what it was called then? Abstract poetry.
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ab·stract (b-strkt, bstrkt)
adj.
1. Considered apart from concrete existence: an abstract concept.
2. Not applied or practical; theoretical. See Synonyms at theoretical.
3. Difficult to understand; abstruse: abstract philosophical problems.
4. Thought of or stated without reference to a specific instance: abstract words like truth and justice.
5. Impersonal, as in attitude or views.
6. Having an intellectual and affective artistic content that depends solely on intrinsic form rather than on narrative content or pictorial representation: abstract painting and sculpture.
n. (bstrkt)
1. A statement summarizing the important points of a text.
2. Something abstract.
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I find most Dirty Pretty to focus on imagery
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Is Edith Sitwell perturbed over the abstract nam-calling?
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Edith Sitwell may have coined the phrase, doesn't mean she invented it.
That's like saying Jack Kerouac invented beat, and the Bard created sonnets.
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In a way, yes... But I'm still not feeling the DP. It's still garbage, no matter how you slice it. Who wants to bet that none of these girls have ever tried the drugs they write about?
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I haven't seen these drug works you speak of
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Why, yes... As a matter of fact, I have... and it's almost terrifying.
The drugs, I have observed, are a major theme in DP. Usually stuff like heroin, cocaine, ecstasy, etc... I've gotten some in contests I've hosted, and DP usually gets a big DQ because it is... Well, garbage! -
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examples please
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I feel calling something garbage
Is a brutish (bruising) method
To manipulate a reaction from those offended
Although anger can be a driving force
I feel use of it can result in heart attacks
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To me "dirty pretty" is "abstract poetry". So, what you're saying to me is that "abstract poetry" is garbage, and if written well, even with the "glitter" (but not so much of it) I feel it could be written well. To call it "garbage" is quite a stretch. There are many forms of poetry I do not like, but, I would not consider them garbage just because I don't like them.
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I'm usually more able to draw substance from a poem
with detailed imagry
as opposed to someone explicating the abstract ideas
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It can mean the [mere][roar]
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It was right!
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