-
I believe that their should be a system to deal with complaints against the moderators. Being a paying member on here I don't think they should have carte blanc with no one to answer to if someone has a complaint against them. I understand why we need the moderators and I do respect most of them. But when they get carried away with their roll here on AP there should be some way to deal with them. I mean honestly... are they NEVER in the wrong? I've complained several times about a certain mod and to no avail. IT almost makes me want to leave this site altogether.
-
I agree!! Some mods go too far with their complaining. They ban a lot of people for stuff that isn't even in the rules.
-
-
Moderators work to the rules of the site and also to specific directives given them direct from Kevin himself.
Site rules and policies cannot specify every single possibly occurance which can happen on this site and are made to encompass the majority of situations or infractions which occur here.
If something is not directly covered by a rule or policy, then the matter is deferred to myself or ultimately to Kevin for ruling on the matter in hand.
That ruling is binding regardless of it being in the written policies or not.
Hopefully that will clarify the matter for you.
AnnD
Site Supervisor
-
-
Well, just as we have rules to follow they have guidelines they must follow. Who is in charge of making sure they follow them is anyone's guess.
"Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?" - Juvenal -
-
Would that be
"Who guards the guards?"
-
-
Well, I think you should at least have some recourse to dispute their actions. I had my whole bio page removed once because one person could not accept what was posted there. And, when I tried to explain, the mod brushed me off and just told me to delete it myself. When I persisted in my attempts to reason with them, then they just went in and deleted it. And, I was not breaking any rules at the time. Just a whiner did not like something posted.
-
-
Elrenia,
In response to you, I will state that you are perfectly correct in believing that your author page was edited because of one person not accepting what you had posted there.
But that person was Kevin himself. The post you had was in direct contravention of the owners directives of such content, and you were advised of that being the case at the time.
Your page did cross the rules of this site namely #4 in the policies.
Thankyou for bringing the matter again to my attention for clarification.
AnnD
Site Supervisor -
-
However, it was not Kevin that objected to me personally. And, no one asked me my side of the story. I posted nothing that would "Harass, stalk, or verbally abuse another user". I have the original posting saved. What was objected to was something true; I suppose that it is okay to post the truth as long as everyone agrees to it, but not if someone objects. I might not have felt persecuted had someone taken an interest in my reasoning. But then, that seems to be the way people (and I do not mean mods here) operate: remove anything negative, even if it is true.
-
-
That's exactly my point... not only do they not listen to our side of the story it seems that our side doesn't matter. And my problem is not with the rules or the enforcement I am mad that I have been punished on more than one occasion without actually breaking site rules because I simply disagreed with a mod, and it has been the same mod
Their side is always taken over ours...
-
-
Well, I have to say, in all honesty, that other than that one experience, I have found the mods very helpful. If they can fix a problem, they do so; and if not, they pass it along to Kevin.
I try not to be controversial, but frustration can get you into as much trouble. -
Your side doesn't matter. There are many people who are members here who do not like it here and some of them do leave but most of them come back. Usually those are members who are veterans of the website. It's not easy leaving a place where you've cemented your feet in for so long.
I have that problem with leaving Florida, even for a little while. I haven't left Florida for more than 15 minutes in 10 years. But, for me it's that I'm too pig-headed and lazy to go anywhere. I travel a lot in Florida, and I travel a lot on the 'net. But, home is home.
If you have a problem with Administration and you feel that nothing you or anyone else does will ever be rectified in being treated fairly then you do have that option of leaving. Or, as another defiance (if you do this) not pay for any extra features.
Take it from a person who has gone head-to-head with Administration more times than they or I could count.
-
-
I know that my side does not matter; they have made that abundantly clear by ignoring my requests to state my side. And, I am not leaving because some *bunny* whined about something he did.
BTW, I could not wait to get out of Florida. Too much sand and green. I like the fall changes too much. In the last six years, I have been as far as Monticello for a convention. That is as far as I am prepared to go. (Still too much sand, even there.)
-
-
-
-
-
-
I would contact ann d she is an incredibly fair person.
m -
Sara,
We do have a system here where you can bring up any complaint regarding any aspect of this site,
A member can bring the matter to the board here (as you have done) or directly to me (as you have also done) so that the issue you have in mind can be looked into.
Please bear in mind, Moderators are volunteers, we are just members and are human beings too. and as such can and on occasion do make mistakes.
In such instances, every moderator in Admin, will always be totally prepared to admit if an error has been made and will apologise where appropriate.
If a complaint is made then it will be thoroughly looked into by myself, or if necessary by Kevin himself. So please be assured that all complaints are taken seriously and always checked into for their validity. Ultimately Kevin's and/or my decision is final.
AnnD
Site Supervisor -
-
-
having been banned and threatened with banning a few times, i find it absolutely necessary for the mods to put me in harness whenever i get totally out of hand.
and in doing so, i have learned to be a perfect gentleman.
-
-
hehe. Have they extended your leash yet?
-
-
i have been practicing the art of self-moderation
though, i must admit that calling myself a perfect gentleman is something of a monumental stretch of the truth...
-
-
-
......
Can poetry not be free
To wander o' er the hills
To roll in the grass?
To eat the fruits of labor and shine like the sun?
Well then, can we, as the parents of these words that we call children, not do the same?
We CAN all just get along.
World peace, get our troops out of Iraq, I'm running for president vote for me and all that.
MystaCris, The Ride or Die Generalé -
-
I love how people post random things, that have naught to do with the topics, on the forums
-
-
....
Exactly.
-
I can attest to the fact that in the past at least, moderators were removed for inappropriate behavior towards members of this site. Do not assume that your complaints and comments go unheard or unappreciated.
When I left my position as Site Supervisor, I handpicked AnnD to take my place because I knew that beyond anything else she would be fair and unbiased in upholding the rules of this site as well as helping to keep peace among the members who abide by them. -
moderators are completely and entirely full of themselves 100% of the time. why should anyone waste their time?
-
-
Member since 46 minutes ago?
uh, y-e-a-h. -
-
xD Barbara
I actually don't have problems with the mods... I needed help once with a contest, but they helped me out. But I usually don't have much trouble on the site, no one really bothers me...
-
-
-
There are a certain set of guidelines that each moderator is expected to adhere to. As a moderator myself, I can also attest to the fact that for those things which are not clearly defined in the site rules, we each refer to the manager placed over us as there IS a chain of command to follow. If there is still doubt on how to rule, the matter is then referred to AnnD whom I have always known to be fair and openminded as well as longsuffering. AnnD has final say in all matters as she answers directly to Kevin and takes her cue from him on matters that remain cloudy. I know it may seem that moderators are short at times in their replies but you have to understand that we may be dealing with more than one issue at a given moment and in order to respond quickly and efficiently before something can get too far out of hand, time becomes of the essence and therefore the response might in fact be a bit short but is never intended to offend.
-
Clearly put. Thank you.
I have not had conflict, but can understand how it may happen. -
i tend to like all the moderators except one (edited by moderator staff - insult)any way.....
i have found the mods to be very fare and kind i have had no problems of course in my past i have but thats cause i was a jerk.... any way sorry blue i have had no problems and annD is always the one to go to when you do have problems she is a very fare and sweet lady though she still owes me dinner i havent seen yet
its that whole ocean inbetween thing
-
-
(edit by moderator staff) is one of the nicest people that I've ever talked with, and probably one of the nicest that I will ever have the pleasure of doing so with.
-
-
The tribute would have been good to see. It is a tricky job to do at times, and praise would be deserved to be given.
Terry -
unfortunately there are times the mods are completely unfair when the rules do not define the situation. as the case when I was banned when in fact the practice of asking for trades through IM's was always an accepted practice here.
-
and don't tell me to take promotion through the regular channels ... when they are in fact ignored by the majority of this site.
less than 10% of this whole site uses the shameless and featured areas -
-
Bill,
I can understand that you are upset that you were ban from the site; however that was the consequence of your own actions. You are fully aware of our site policy and you did agree to them upon joining the site. It clearly states there that you cannot Spam ims (for soliciting reads, etc) and you have been repeatedly warned and ban for this in the past and yet you still continue to do it. The complaints regarding your recent frenzy of spamming for reads (over 100) and spamming/sending your phone number throughout the site (34 times) were many and we simply just cannot allow this sort of thing to continue. Unfortunately, you can deny the validity all you want and disagree with it, but the bottom line is there are rules here and you broke them. The blame is your own. There was no mod misconduct or anyone out to get you, the issue was discussed amongst management and the ban fully agreed upon. I’m sorry, but your conduct depicted the outcome of your actions. If you have a problem with it still email bans2@allpoetry.com and it will be addressed by AnnD.
Have a good day.
-
-
why is the phone number significant?
-
-
It is significant because he was ban for spamming the phone number as well as soliciting for reads and to prove a point, spam is spam no matter what is sent.
-
-
and I thought there was a union breaking conspiracy
my mistake -
-
-
-
-
-
-
did a tree fall in the forest?
-
-
I didn't hear anything about that.
-
-
Qu'une réponse!
-
-
-
-
-
where does it say that one can not trade reads or ask for trades and this is the issue!
-
this rule is inconsistant.. it's muddy and far from being clear...
Spam ims (for soliciting reads, etc), comments (including 'fleshing out' for extra points), applause (applauding alternate identities or (excessively) friends) or board or chat posts clamoring for reads.
now tell me where it says at all one can not ask for trades? -
-
Bill, In your specific instance, The spam referred to was twofold,
Firstly that approximately 100+ identical copy/pasted IM's were sent by you over a period of three days to members of this site.
That is SPAMMING. Regardless of the message contained within that IM.
Secondly, the message was asking to 'trade reads'
Hence the 'spam' was for procuring reads albeit that it was to 'trade' in return.
SPAM being sent in ANY form through IM's is not allowed on this site, regardless of the content of the message sent.
As I have previously explained to you on this matter, the asking to 'TRADE' reads, only came about as an acceptable minor concession which can be used occasionally in the Chatterbox where promoting poems and directly asking for reads it in direct contravention of site rules and policies.
I will point out here that using the chatbox to constantly ask virtually every member who enters the chatbox individually to 'trade reads' can also be seen as spamming/promotion/harassment. The option to ask to 'trade reads' through the chatbox should be used as a minimum and not in excess.
AnnD
Site Supervisor
-
Spam ims (for soliciting reads, etc),
-
-
Seems pretty clear to me. The fact that at least two people seemed to have complained about the spamming tells me that he wasn't just sending the message out to friends, either.
-
-
He's not the only one who has tried it. People add hundreds to their favourite list and then send mass IM's out asking them to read or trade reads ..excusing it as it is only to people on their favourites list.
Had someone send me a random link the other day (I foolishly clicked it) to an erotic story .. I don't read erotic ..especially not badly written.. often, and i most definitely don't read it at work......
he was not happy when he got warned against it and sent another mass IM out to all his 'favourites' ...
ugh.
-
-
-
-
a long, long time ago
I used to post mainly on one forum
I had four characters
and the moderators asked me to stop producing pseudo profiles
I told them that they would allow me the four profiles
or I would leave.
They backed down.
This conflict set a precedent
leveling the playing field between regulars and moderators.
However when I was pushed around later for complaining,
I was left with little choice but to prove my resolution
by leaving the forum. -
-
And how's that working for you?
-
-
pretty well
I got my own label
-
-
-
One problem with moderators is
They execute punishment without first discussing the problem with the offender.
In many the cases,
the offender is likely to agree and modify their entry
but will more likely defend their entry if the offender is already prosecuted
Forums /
Allpoetry Policy, Complaints, Suggestions /
Disputes With Moderators
|
|
Forums
Sign up for FREEA free account is required to comment and participate. It's fast and free! 
Already a member?About AllpoetryWhere friends share poetry - get feedback & publish free today.
→ Learn more
Online: 843Moderators - add ticket Greeters - ask question Gold members
↓
agazeley
ahsiya Aisades andywontdie AngelicMistress ardentMarch Bean Sidhe BluesMan cricketjeff Dark Otter DarkestNight3 fawntasm GltyPlezure Godless but divine Gorgon grandniem hanaN8 HopelessPoet1087 Iridessa MoonFlower KayJay46 Kazytc Koblyn Avaritia LadCoberst Levesta luna-midnight MariGoes Meroza midnightsun000 my.stars.dont.shine MysticalRayne mzunderstood Netherspice Never Fall in Love Nicolette NurseChilly Ogreatbaldone Paloszoo Pamela A Lamppa Peteskid Plantinga PrabhuDayal Khattar princess Jewelcat22 Rend the Veil Roaddog Wolf Ronald Wiseman storiesuntold The High Lonesome Thoughts-of-Soloman ticket2write tomisb xxprophet XxSorrowfulxAngelxX Yellowdogpoetry Zahhar 471 visitors → Show all onlinePlease Support AllpoetryUpgrade today from 5.95/month!
|
|
Notify a Moderator
Ask a question
Random
Chat
Terms of Use
Rules
Our sites: Stories, Critical Poetry, Old Poetry, Quotes, Philosophy. © Social Design History:
| |
Adding your reply:
blueyez
Aug 1 5:13 AM 2007
Reply