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Eagles and Rats

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The city was destroyed by the wild hurricane
But two homes were spared on one sunny lane.
Two young men lived in the homes side by side
With two different thoughts when so many died.

One saw the devastation and couldn’t believe it was real.
One saw the same and thought about what he could steal.
One helped injured neighbors find shelter, water and food.
One ransacked and looted, feeding only the chaotic mood.

Both men were almost identical.  They could have been brothers.
They both were raised well by hard-working fathers and mothers.
But one chose to help his neighbors, the other chose only to steal
From people who had lost everything and were struggling to heal.

Some say such heartlessness is caused by poverty and oppression
And that entitlement is the only reaction to systemic depression.
But on this day, there were two men on the same economic level
And one worked with the angels while the other ran with the devil.

Why does one man feel deep compassion and the other only greed?
Why does one help people while the other just watches them bleed?
We can’t blame it all on poverty.  No, it’s much more than that.
It's morality that makes one man an eagle and the other a rat.


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Moral poverty cost blacks in New Orleans

By Reverend Jesse Lee Peterson

(  The Rev. Jesse Lee Peterson is founder and president of BOND, the Brotherhood Organization of A New Destiny, and author of "Scam: How the Black Leadership Exploits Black America."  )
September 21, 2005



"Say a hurricane is about to destroy the city you live in. Two questions:

What would you do???
What would you do if you were black???

Sadly, the two questions don't have the same answer.

To the first:  Most of us would take our families out of that city quickly to protect them from danger. Then, able-bodied men would return to help others in need, as wives and others cared for children, elderly, infirm and the like.

For better or worse, Hurricane Katrina has told us the answer to the second question.  If you're black and a hurricane is about to destroy your city, you'll probably wait for the government to save you.

This was not always the case.  Prior to 40 years ago, such a pathetic performance by the black community in a time of crisis would have been inconceivable.  The first response would have come from black men. They would take care of their families, bring them to safety, and then help the rest of the community.  Then local government would come in.

No longer.  When 75 percent of New Orleansresidents had left the city, it was primarily immoral, welfare-pampered blacks that stayed behind and waited for the government to bail them out.  This, as we know, did not turn out good results.

Enter Jesse Jackson and Louis Farrakhan.  Jackson and Farrakhan laid blame on "racist" President Bush. Farrakhan actually proposed the idea that the government blew up a levee so as to kill blacks and save whites. The two demanded massive governmental spending to rebuild New Orleans, above and beyond the federal government's proposed $60 billion.  Not only that, these two were positioning themselves as the gatekeepers to supervise the dispersion of funds.  Perfect:  Two of the most dishonest elite blacks in America, "overseeing" billions of dollars? I wonder where that money will end up??

Of course, if these two were really serious about laying blame on government, they should blame the local one. Responsibility to perform legally and practically fell first on the mayor of New Orleans.  We are now all familiar with Mayor Ray Nagin the black Democrat who likes to yell at President Bush for failing to do Nagin's job.  The facts, unfortunately, do not support Nagin's wailing.  As the Washington Times puts it, "recent reports show [Nagin] failed to follow through on his own city's emergency-response plan, which acknowledged that thousands of the city's poorest residents would have no way to evacuate the city."

One wonders how there was "no way" for these people to evacuate the city.  We have photographic evidence telling us otherwise.  You've probably seen it by now the photo showing 2,000 parked school buses, unused and underwater.  How much planning does it require to put people on a bus and leave town, Mayor Nagin???

Instead of doing the obvious, Mayor Nagin (with no positive contribution from Democratic Gov. Kathleen Blanco, the other major leader vested with responsibility to address the hurricane disaster) loaded remaining New Orleansresidents into the Superdome and the city's convention center.  We know how that plan turned out.

About five years ago, in a debate before the National Association of Black Journalists, I stated that if whites were to just leave the United States and let blacks run the country, they would turn America into a ghetto within 10 years.  The audience, shall we say, disagreed with me strongly.  Now I have to disagree with me.  I gave blacks too much credit.  It took a mere three days for blacks to turn the Superdome and the convention center into ghettos, rampant with theft, rape and murder.

President Bush is not to blame for the rampant immorality of blacks.  Had New Orleans' black community taken action, most would have been out of harm's way.  But most were too lazy, immoral and trifling to do anything productive for themselves.

All Americans must tell blacks this truth.  It was blacks' moral poverty not their material poverty that cost them dearly in New Orleans.  Farrakhan, Jackson, and other race hustlers are to be repudiated for they will only perpetuate this problem by stirring up hatred and applauding moral corruption.  New Orleans, to the extent it is to be rebuilt, should be remade into a dependency-free, morally strong city where corruption is opposed and success is applauded.  Blacks are obligated to help themselves and not depend on the government to care for them.  We are all obligated to tell them so."

Author notes

The death toll from Hurricane Katrina is estimated to be in the thousands, possibly tens of thousands, and all some people can think of is stealing things they don't really need.  They should all be shot on sight.  If they all weren't so busy looting, they could be helping the rescue efforts and decreasing the rising death toll.  

They are not just stealing junk.  They are shooting at rescue helicopters with AK-47's, stealing vital drugs from hospitals at gunpoint, stealing rescue boats to transport their stolen goods with and leaving the rescuers stranded, raping women and young girls, and ransacking homes with the bodies of the residents still inside.  

I defy anyone to prove to me that these people are worth more than cockroaches.  At least cockroaches serve a useful purpose in the world.  (Eating garbage.)  If you still feel compassion or pity for the looters, imagine it's not someone else's mother but your own lying dead in her flooded living room with one of the looters trying to pry the wedding ring off of her dead hand.  For most people who excuse criminal lowlife behavior, it has to become personal before they advocate any kind of severe punishment.  As long as it's just strangers who are suffering, they don't get very emotional.

For example, I was listening to talk radio recently and a lady called the host (Dennis Prager) and said, "I argued with you about a year ago because I was against the death penalty.  I remember being so mad at you.  But my niece was raped and killed recently and they caught the guy who did it.  I just want you to know that I know what you meant now.  I want that bastard to fry."  

The host said, "Well, thanks for coming over to my side but why did it have to be someone you were related to for you to care about punishing evil?  If it has to be personal for people to want evil punished, humanity is doomed."



"I think there ought to be zero tolerance of people breaking the law during an emergency such as this — whether it be looting, or price gouging at the gasoline pump, or taking advantage of charitable giving or insurance fraud," Bush said. "And I've made that clear to our attorney general. The citizens ought to be working together."  - President Bush


Written August 31st, 2005

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  • amateurpoetess
    September 13, 2005
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    Compelling

    Mark-
    I'd thought that I had read all other works, but today I see that I hadn't seen this, nor read it. Your title is so reflectiive of the two descriptions of the occupants in the houses of which you've written. The two pictures you've posted here support your points very well.
    Its a sad circumstance that looting for anything other than food can be excused. The logic just flies in the wind. It hasn't been very long ago here in California where the same kind of looting took place over 'anger' so actions were justified. I lived in Bakersfield and a man (with a heart like the one you speak of who rescued his neighbors) took an hispanic neighbor to the federal office to get some papers to become a citizen to LA. The trip is a couple of hours, he was tired from having worked all night before driving his friend that morning, he remained in the car to sleep. When this man's friend returned he found him murdered, and he'd done nothing wrong, he'd been sound asleep and was killed because someone 'was enraged' over the color of his skin. That man had never refused to help anyone in need or to give when others were in dire straits. I can't fathom this kind of justification. He lived in my city and I didn't know him personally but I can't forget him, he was killed because of the color of his skin and nothing more, this man was white.
    Not much has changed that in the midst of this disaster, people who have needs are ignored because of the actions of RATS. Let's herald the actions of the EAGLES and search for more of them.
    Great poem.
    Patrice
    Edited on Sep 13, 1:17 p.m. because ''.

  • lencio-sunchild gold member
    September 11, 2005
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    Wonderful write up in the Authors' comments box. It also happened in the recent floods in Bombay, people were looting while the floods did so much damage itself. Funny how some poeple can EVEN think of such a thing...

  • lencio-sunchild gold member
    September 11, 2005
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    What can I say? These whole thing, the world, and this write is just full of so many questions sometimes left unanswered. But, yes, there are many people in this world like you Mark, who feel concerned, who really have a soul and a HEART, we say so many things about the heart, even here on AP, but what we need in this heart, that can see the pain of the world, and I am thankful to God to have known at least one who has it.

    God bless you always! Bravo, this is a stunning piece!

    Love and light,
    Lencio

  • Night Hope gold member
    September 9, 2005
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    '...Some say such heartlessness is caused by poverty and oppression
    And that entitlement is the only reaction to systemic depression.
    But on this day, there were two men on the same economic level
    And one worked with the angels while the other ran with the devil.

    Why does one man feel deep compassion and the other only greed?
    Why does one help people while the other just watches them bleed?
    We can’t blame it all on poverty. No, it’s much more than that.
    It's morality that makes one man an eagle and the other a rat.'


    Bravo, Mark...I agree with you on so many things, my Friend...I used to say that anyone who argued against the death penalty had never been a victim of a violent crime...& I can say that, because I was the same way...until...This is well written & obviously well thought~out, Mark...Thank you for your conscience & Heart, my Friend... Wanda

  • AutumnSky
    September 9, 2005
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    Hi Mark,
    I get what you're saying here, and agree with the essence. I feel compassion for people who are impoverished, thieves or law-abiding citizens, for their humanity, because I think we too easily strip people of their humanity (which may or may not show because of what they do). I don't think poverty justifies looting anything you can get your hands on, unless one is starving or in mortal danger of dying, so one steals bread or medicine. But I'm the same person that goes back to a store to return change when they mistakenly give me extra (no lie).
    Thanks for your comment on mine. You got my intent.

  • Mythtress
    September 8, 2005
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    Hey, I applaud you for saying what many are thinking, but are too P.C. to admit. I enjoyed the poem, and I agree with the sentiment behind it. What a mess, what a mess...eh? Write on, poet.

  • queenie
    September 4, 2005
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    as usual,you have pointed out what others refuse to see,but not doubt it needs to be seen.i am frustrated with the ones who see personal gain in this situation.however to think that a person who wasn't moral in the first place will see this as anything other than an opportunity to sate their selfish souls would be asking for too much.i have to differ with you when you say God is doing nothing.He told us what would happen when we choose to live frre of his laws.what we see here is satan at his best,not God at his worst.you may be being judgemental,but the fact is that we are humans and when you are one with a righteous heart,these things are supposed to affect you this way.You are not able to understand with the capacity of God just you can't react the same.it's hard to see the reactions of some in this as opposed to others.there are rats and eagles in this.i don't condone the looting and i know some of it supports the selfishnees of the society of youth we have produced.it's hard to understand others reactions in these situations but it is very easy to despise the uncaring attitudes of those in them.

  • SweetFreak
    September 4, 2005
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    Why was it that a few days ago reporters said two different things about two different people doing the sme thing. A white family and a black family were looting. the white family was finding food in a store and a black family was looting the sane store for food. Everything looks different through eyes of another. I have cried for these people day and night. I didnt think that there was anything wrong for these people to go into stores to find food and clothing...but you cross a line when you are going into peoples homes and other buissnesses looking for stuff to steal that you dont need to survive. If it was me...I would have broken into that Wal-mart to look for food and hopefully a change of clothes...but that would be all. What would anything else do for you at that point? Stealing and looting is wrong, I know that. But, SOME of the people werent looting just for the sake of it to see what they can get....some of them were doing it to survive and for them it meant life and death. Those are the people that shouldnt be punished. Those are the people that need are compassion. Not the assholes stealing guns and other useless crap just so they had stuff. They were the ones that made them all look like a bunch of theiving hooligans. This was a very intriguing write and thank you for sharing this with us! My thoughts and prayers are with them tonight, and every night till every single person that is left alive in the aftermath is safe and sound.


    -Tamara


  • Mark Rickerby gold member
    September 2, 2005
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    Please clarify. As I am interpreting this, you are blaming "society" for the immorality of certain people. However, why do some people from the same neighborhood, income bracket, educational level, etc. become decent, law-abiding citizens, and others don't? What is the core difference if it's not morality, or lack thereof?

    The liberal argument that poverty causes crime is flawed. Immorality causes crime. Otherwise, all poor people would be criminals. It's also condescending to poor people to suggest that they are shaped by society like pets are shaped by the commands of their owners, and not responsible for their own actions. If we stopped making excuses and started talking in terms of good and evil, right and wrong, etc., things might actually start getting better for a change rather than worse.
  • TheDarknessVisible
    September 2, 2005
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    "
    I didn't make any mention of educational level in the poem. I don't know where that came from.
    "

    Thats the point.

    The poem only says that immorality is the root cause of immoral behavior. And it removes all responsibility for morality from society at large.


  • Mark Rickerby gold member
    September 2, 2005
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    So what are you really trying to say? lol

  • plinkyponk
    September 2, 2005
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    nnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo killing

  • Mark Rickerby gold member
    September 2, 2005
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    Thanks, Michael. I agree. Calling them rats is an insult to rodents everywhere. lol I thought about calling them cockroaches but there are certain things even cockroaches won't do.

    Nice to hear from you. I hope you're doing well.

    Mark

  • Mark Rickerby gold member
    September 2, 2005
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    Hey Plinkyponk,

    They are endangering lives by distracting police and rescue crews from their jobs. Some of them are even shooting at rescue helicopters and stealing rescue boats to transport the stuff they're stealing. It's unbelievable. Total mayhem. I think a few dead looters would go a long way to put an end to this crap. Society wouldn't be losing anything of value. I guess my attitude is a result of my belief that human life is not valuable in and of itself. Our lives are made valuable or worthless based on how we conduct them. And someone who steals the rings off the fingers of dead people who drowned in their own basements are worthless. A cockroach has greater value to the world.

  • Mark Rickerby gold member
    September 2, 2005
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    Hi Kethry,

    I write in free verse quite often. I kind of bounce back and forth. lol I think it takes more skill to write in rhyme and still get the story across well. Thanks for your thoughts.

    Mark

  • Mark Rickerby gold member
    September 2, 2005
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    Both the looters and the rapists are inhibiting rescue operations. They are both a distraction to the police and rescue crews. In fact, one looter stole a police car to transport his stolen property, and as I said, they are commandeering rescue boats and leaving crews stranded. Police who are responding to rape calls are distracted from rescue work, too. Do you see the lack of a difference?

    I agree. The rapists would be the first ones I would shoot. The looters would be second. In many if not most instances, they are one and the same. People who would loot would almost certainly commit an act of violence. There are gradations of immorality and evil, but I would say a person who decides not to loot out of moral principal is much further removed from a rapist than a looter is.


    Edited on Sep 02, 4:54 p.m. because ''.

  • Mark Rickerby gold member
    September 2, 2005
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    All of the assumptions you made about my poem were incorrect.

    I didn't say looter and non-looters were "nearly identical". I said the man who chose to loot and the one who didn't were nearly identical in social standing, where they lived, and how they were raised. Of course, I know no two people are identical, which is why I said "nearly" identical.


    "You are wrong to suggest that morality is something that the poor have equal opportunity to learn and appreciate."

    Morality is available to everyone. I know people who are very poor but if someone left a pile of illegal drugs on their porch every morning, they wouldn't use it or sell it. They would turn it in to the police. If they found a purse, they would return it to the owner with the money intact. That's morality. It has nothing to do with poverty.

    The overall point of the poem is that the philosophy some people have is, "I'll know. That's who" while others philosophy seems to be "If you can get away with it, why not?"

    I didn't make any mention of educational level in the poem. I don't know where that came from.

    The basic message of this poem is that morality is the deciding factor that determines a person's personal decisions. I maintain that people who make a moral decision not to loot at eagles, and those who decide to loot are rats. (Not to insult any rats.) No offense, but I find no logic in your argument.

  • Crazyhead
    September 2, 2005
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    well the people shooting, and raping arn't "looters"...
    they are "scumbags"...
    they are what we need to cocern ourselfs with, not the looters...
    they are inhibiting the recue of thousands of people...
    the looter, on the other hand, are just a bunch of selfish pricks...
    see the difference?

  • Mark Rickerby gold member
    September 2, 2005
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    Crazyhead,

    The donations are used to fund Red Cross operations, and the Red Cross is one of the most reputable organization. Please provide some evidence that the 9/11 donations were misappropriated.

    Also let me know how to personally send food and water, considering the fact that I don't own a helicopter to get it to them with. lol

    To assume I'm concerned about ipods and DVD players is a simplistic interpretation. The looters are not just stealing crap, as I said above - they are shooting at rescue helicopters with AK-47's, stealing vital drugs from hospitals at gunpoint, ransacking homes with the bodies of the residents still inside, stealing rescue boats (to transport their stolen ipods, etc.) and leaving rescuers stranded in sewage infected water with no concern for their safety. Women and children have been raped by the same kind of scumbags in the Astrodome. Should I go on?

  • TheDarknessVisible
    September 2, 2005
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    This poem does a good job with getting your point across. I believe you are a bit mistaken about the predicates which cause you to reach your conclusion however, that is not the fault of the poem. At a few places the meter was just a touch off. It was not really a big problem, so I wont list the items here. but if you count your syllables you may find them.

    The reason I disagree with your poem is that you suggest that looters and non-looters are equal in every way except for whether they loot. You have no information to support this contention, and suggesting that looters and non-looters are identical, not only sows fear and mistrust, but it is pure speculation. You also take the position that morality is something which may hide invisibly under the surface of a person only to reveal itself in times of stress.

    "Both men were almost identical. "

    I find this exceedingly hard to accept. And it is a dishonest statement. no 2 people are almost identical.

    as a poem, this piece is very well crafted. Poetry can be used to spread falsehoods however, and I think this one does.

    The difference between the poor and the not-poor is merely statistical. Just as some women are taller and stronger than some men, it is true that some poor are more able to cope appropriately with great stress than some wealthy people.
    And some poor were able to evacuate when some wealthy people got trapped.

    However... on average men are taller and stronger than women, and the wealthy on AVERAGE are better able to avoid the temptation (or need) to loot. When you are well educated, not only are you more moral (as morality is one of the things you have an opportunity to study in university) you are also more likely to be NON-POOR.

    However an education does not guarantee wealth. And some poor have less education than others.

    I suggest you compare the number of looters who have university degrees to the average of the population, and you will see.. looters on average are NOT almost identical to non-looters.

    down to the individual level... all it takes is a slight difference in the chemical make up of your brain, that a situation one may see as solvable would appear to be utterly hopeless to another.

    You are right to say poverty is not the only factor, but you are wrong to suggest that morality is something that the poor have equal opportunity to learn and appreciate.

  • Crazyhead
    September 2, 2005
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    ...

    i think we arn't doing all we can...
    the concern shouldnt be dvd players, and ipods, it should be lives...
    bush needs to stop taking people off recue duty and and having them watch for looters...
    whats more important?
    lives?
    or an ipod?
    your looking at the situation in a very close-minded sort of way...

    and the red-cross thing link?
    we all know what they did with the 9/11 money...
    it made a few people rich...
    what makes you think they wont just do it again?
    the people in those devastated areas dont need money...
    they need food and water...
    if you REALLY want to help them out, send them food and water...
    Edited on Sep 02, 4:20 p.m. because ''.

  • DefinitiveFreak
    September 2, 2005
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    Seriously, what do these people think they are gaining from what they are doing? Exactly what use are material possessions in a life-or-death situation? Not only that, but do they not realise that they would benefit more if they helped others? Because from helping others, they would be helping themselves as well, after all the supplies would be rationed out to those who need them. It's not much use when the looters just take anything and everything around them. It is definitely right to call them rats: they are parasites, living off everyone else, and spreading nothing but hatred. Extremely well written poem, Mark. Well said indeed.

  • Kethry
    September 2, 2005
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    This is a well written if disturbing write. Your rhyme flowed, your metre was perfect but I'd like to see how this one would've turned out if you used free verse I think you may surprise yourself if you try it.

  • Your Hine Us
    September 2, 2005
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    We are all brothers and sisters and it is sick how when we are down and out the rats come out to eat everything before the eagles can fly,love everything about your poem from the start to the end every word flows with pure beauty in every word :awesome.

  • plinkyponk
    September 2, 2005
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    i dont think that the people who are lotting shouldbe shot i think thats a bit extreme unless they have guns and are shooting at people or endangering the lives of others.good job with the poem i particularly like the second from last verse it read like a rap brilliant
  • Gogetalife
    September 2, 2005
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    Mark, this is another honest write from you..the situation is very very sad ...and very touching..and It makes me upset too to see those evil people taking advantage from the bad situation to steal stupid things that probably won't even need in situation like this..instead of helping kids and others..any little help will do something good for those people..but Greed is what is behind all this..and I will say poverty too..we have a saying in Arabic(i will translate it..) that say: Poverty can be a crime ..so here in sitations like this we see it happening..this doesnt not mean if you poor, you have to steal but people who with no morality do..
    great job and many should read this piece..

  • SeptemberFaith Greeters member
    September 2, 2005
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    thank you for the added link

  • Mark Rickerby gold member
    September 2, 2005
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    The looters aren't only stealing from stores, they're stealing food and water from rescue boats and even the rescue boats themselves, leaving the rescue teams stranded in sewage. They're also stealing drugs from hospitals, shooting at rescue helicopters, and raping women and children. The distraction and deliberate interference by these worthless lowlifes has exacerbated the problems and prevented many rescues.

    The hurricane isn't the most disturbing thing about all this to me. After all, it is just the earth doing what it needs to do. Of course, my heart is broken for the good people who died and those who are still suffering, but the human depravity and evil opportunism disturbs me more than anything else. This poem was my way of opening a pressure release valve to get the anger out. I think it's very important to discuss this because it is an indication of the kind of people America is churning out these days. America has survived a lot but I don't think it can survive a complete collapse of morality.




    Edited on Sep 02, 12:17 because ''.

  • SeptemberFaith Greeters member
    September 2, 2005
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    Mark --

    You have written this very well, and I agree with you. That morality is what made these men different. I have heard so many horror stories of people trying to help others, just to be thrown off their own boats by the very people they were trying to help, they were left, to possibly die, while the people they tried to help, ran off with their boat. I have heard, there have been rapes, killings... what kind of people are we to act this way in such a tragedy. I dont remember any stories of people looting after the tsunami. I can not understand, why people would steal from people who have nothing.

    I can justify stealing food, water, diapers, things that they need but can not buy due to the situations. But shoes, TV's... I cant understand that. I heard that the police went to one of the stores that had been looted and took medications for the hospital, that is justified, those items are needed to save lives.

    I was watching the KTLA news this morning, and I saw Kurt (he is the "cyber guy") He was in the area that was hit by Katrina, he was stuck in a hotel for a week, he had met a family there. They had been told to go in their rooms and not to come out because there were people looting, well the station sent a helicopter to go and get him. Since he got back he was trying to get a hold of that family, he called the hotel they had been staying at, he wanted to tell them where he had stashed some extra food and water. This morning, he found out that the family is safe back here in CA, they had been vacationing when Katrina hit. It is a miracle that these people made it back, and Kurt, was in tears, when he knew for sure that they were okay.

    It is stories like these that touch my heart in this... but such as the one you described in your poem... that kind, really gets to me, it makes me quite angry, that people would do that when some people are fighting to live.

    My heart and my prayers go out to all the people affected by Katrina. A few of the Law professors and students at my moms school she works at, are going to help in the relief efforts... I wish that this is something I could do, but I cant, so I donated as much money as I had in my savings to the red cross, I hope that it gets to someone who needs it.

    My heart is broken.

    thank you Mark, for such a remarkable write...

    Criss

  • mendee86
    September 1, 2005
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    I think this is an incredibly touchy subject to be commenting on...so I'll just say I like your poem, and I don't like what's going on down south...

    Instead of talking about those who are looting -- let's concentrate on those who are missing, and helping those who are left -- praying for them and sending them what they need...

    God bless

  • Mark Rickerby gold member
    September 1, 2005
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    Hi Sam,

    Thanks for the back-up. lol The desire to punish evil is becoming more and more rare, for some reason. I'll never get it. Unfortunately, it often has to become personal before people advocate harsh punishments of the rats among us. I have no desire to see a society full of well-understood barbarians. There are times when we need to thin out the herd and get rid of the sociopaths among us for the sake of the good people. i.e., us.

  • -BlackKnight- gold member
    September 1, 2005
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    Islam extremists are already rejoicing in America's misfortunes. I read that many have given Katrina a military rank and that "Private Katrina" is a result of Allah's will or whatever. Disgusting, to say the least.

    Others have quietly claimed that America has "reaped what it's sown," citing that America is the world's leading contributor to global warming. They've claimed that, as a result of the planet heating up, tropical storm and hurricane intensities have gone up as well. I find this argument amusing because it's basically saying, "The people of New Orleans had this coming to them--tough shit."

    Venezuela's president has criticized Bush as being a "cowboy" and a "king of vacations" because he feels he didn't handle the initial evacuation of New Orleans and other Gulf Coast cities very well. Still, his government has stated that it's ready to give aid, money and oil if the U.S. requests it to help put the Gulf Coast and the people who live(d) there back together.

    As I'm sure you know, fuel prices along the Gulf Coast and South-and-Northeast have skyrocketed because two of the three lines supplying fuel to that area are down as a result of Katrina's destructive power. One refinery that was stationed in the Gulf of Mexico was reported to have been moved by Katrina 60 miles from what it was initially; it only came to a stop when it ran into sand in relatively shallow water. Bush has promised to release oil from the nation's petroleum reserve, and the EPA has temporarily nullified certain parts of the Clean Air Act, allowing the sale, for now, of higher-pollutant gasoline and diesel fuel in order to help oil prices. Saudi Arabia has stated that it's ready at any moment in increase its crude oil production to help international oil prices as well. Hopefully, things in the world of petroleum will start looking up soon, but as Bush said, it will take years for the Gulf Coast, especially New Orleans and Biloxi, to recover from Katrina's wrath.
    Edited on Sep 01, 1:56 p.m. because ''.

  • josh-13
    September 1, 2005
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    Woh, this was a great write, sad that this had to happen but honestly I feel it was enevitable, Just one more sign to reveal the end is comming. This was an awesome poem, and it's structure can be put into a song as well. I loved it, you did an amazing job on this one, it's flow was as close to perfection as perfect can get, I loved it. It is very sad though, and the house of the rising sun is underwater. sorry, I just find iorny that the place in my fav song is flooded. I loved it.

  • Samplette gold member
    September 1, 2005
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    Tell it! Tell it! Tell it! When I sit and watch the devastation. The homeless, the hungry, the precious children, the.....death...then the "Rats" I will never, even if I lived 200 life times understand how so many people are lacking of integrity. Morality is within us all, I truly believe that; the problem is that GREED is within us all as well, and far too many choose the latter.
    I wish the whole world could read your words....not that many would care....but I know it would touch some. Brilliant!!!
    Sam

  • Mark Rickerby gold member
    September 1, 2005
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    BlackKnight,

    I shouldn't have stated that 100,000 as a fact. That was a mistake. I heard someone say they're guessing it might be that high, but that hasn't been confirmed yet, of course.

    You're right - I do agree that not all looting is wrong. People have to survive. I just don't think a DVD player is an essential item. lol

    Stories like those you told are going to be coming out more and more. So many tragedies. Our next worry is going to be the terrorists thinking, "Allah is helping us kill Americans! Now is the time to launch a full scale attack." That's the way those maniacs think.

    I heard that rescue efforts were taking precedence over body recovery, which is a good idea. Terribly sad, but necessary.

    Thanks for your thoughts,

    Mark

  • Mark Rickerby gold member
    September 1, 2005
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    DawnBaby,

    I'm not offended by your comment at all. Re. my being judgmental, you're right. I do judge people who are easy to judge. Immorality is such an easy thing to identify. There are people dying all around them and the looters choose to go out and steal stereos and flat screen TV's. For that, they deserve to be arrested and/or shot just like any criminal.

    I "look in the mirror" all the time and I see someone who wouldn't steal a dollar from a millionaire because the quality of my soul is worth more to me. And I have no respect for people who do. I would take food if I needed it to survive but of course, that's different.

    Look at all the rationalizations you're giving for thievery -

    "Who are they stealing from? The retailers are going to claim it to insurance as a loss aren't they?"

    No excuse. Insurance claims make everybody's premiums go up and damages the economy. There are also deductibles involved, some as high as $1,000.00, that the retailer will have to pay no matter what. Other times, the theft coverage won't cover the amount stolen, which would be the case if the entire store has been looted. If the loss is $150,000.00 and the theft coverage portion is only $75,000.00, guess who loses $75,000.00? The retailer.

    "Where are they going to plug in their newly stolen stereo's and Tv's?"

    What difference does it make? A lot of the people looting may be from areas where thei homes are intact. Inability to use a stolen item doesn't negate the immorality of theft.

    "In any type of crisis or disaster each person will react to it differently."

    That's the point of this poem. Some will be eagles and some will be rats. (Not to insult any rats.)

    "Some with a fear so powerful it drives them to steal . . ."

    What? I hope you're talking about the people who are taking food and water, not the jackasses who are stealing tennis shoes and DVD players.

    "I see these looters and I do not feel anger, I feel pity."

    Well, then we're from two different worlds. I feel pity for the honest, hard-working people who are suffering and taking what they need to survive - food, water, clothes, blankets, etc. But people who take advantage of disasters to steal electronic items, etc., they're human ticks. Garbage. I've heard reports of them ransacking homes with dead bodies still floating around in them. If I was there, I would pity them right into the next world.

    Again, I'm not upset, just debating. It's okay that we don't think alike. Thanks for keeping me on your favorites list if you do think I'm full of doodoo. lol

    Mark

  • -BlackKnight- gold member
    August 31, 2005
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    The death toll's not at 100,000 my friend. The mayor was estimating that perhaps 100,000 people are still stuck in New Orleans, with possibly thousands more dead. Keep in mind that not all looting is a bad thing; technically, breaking in and grabbing something that wasn't yours initially is looting. I'm not defending the person you've portrayed here, because I don't see any point in looting things like television sets and computers, but there are others that are simply breaking into stores to get food, water, anything that will help them get by; I imagine you feel the same way.

    I was watching FOX News earlier (one of the few times I actually watch the news), and they mentioned a cop who said he would not arrest or bother anyone just getting supplies. Frankly, the mayor is correct--the entire city needs to be evacuated of every single person that's there, because as of now, New Orleans doesn't really exist anymore. It isn't functioning at all, and it's poisonous to stay, literally. Such an evacuation is unprecedented, because no U.S. city has ever been completely evacuated, but that's what must be done. It's such a mess down there...people wandering around on I-10 with no way of knowing where help is, if there's any help at all, for that matter. Others still in attics or on their rooftops waiting for rescue, and still others who have died, either still in their homes or elsewhere. I read an article earlier on MSN's web site about a woman whose husband died from lung cancer on Tuesday because he ran out of oxygen. It took over three hours for her to get someone to take his body to a hospital where it could be handled properly. She said she had walked to the police station, where they initially said they'd send a truck over. Over an hour later, she went back, where they told her they no equipment to spare. She asked them,

    “So what I’m supposed to do? Sit with the body until you get somebody?”

    “Unfortunately, yeah,” the officer replied. “That’s the only option I can give you. Because we have no way of getting to him.”

    Right now, rescuers are concerned first and foremost with rescuing anyone still alive. They've flat-out said that recovering bodies is basically a secondary-concern because they want to get everyone out immediately. I knew it would be bad when Katrina hit New Orleans, but I never imagined anything like this, and I don't think anyone else did either.

    I've just read another article that says "Katrina" will probably be removed from the list of names used to identify tropical storms and hurricanes in the Atlantic basin. I think it should be..."Camille" and "Andrew" were retired, so it's fitting that "Katrina" be retired as well. Man...what a devastating storm.

  • klassy lassy
    August 31, 2005
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    Bravo, Mark! My heart aches... Who knows why some people have no love for their brothers? They are spiritually void and as such, have no conscience. I knew the death toll was going up, but I had no idea it could be that many lives lost. I think we all get held accountable for our actions sooner or later, but I have a strong desire to find a way to help those who are suffering now.
    Edited on Aug 31, 8:25 p.m. because ''.

  • Jennifer
    August 31, 2005
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    This definitely portrays some really strong emotions. I'm impressed that you are working with rhyme, it can be challenging to do, to get the rhymes working and also convey the emotions you are trying to communicate. This is definitely a thought-provoking poem.

  • DawnBaby gold member
    August 31, 2005
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    In my opinion, I just need to say I really think the poem is extremely judgemental and when we start thinking about shooting people for stealing than maybe we should stop and take a look in the old mirror. Come on, shooting someone for stealing? Who are they stealing from? The retailers are going to claim it to insurance as a loss aren't they? Where are they going to plug in their newly stolen stereo's and Tv's? In any type of crisis or disaster each person will react to it differently. Some with a fear so powerful it drives them to steal, some have faith and they can make do and perservere. I see these looters and I do not feel anger, I feel pity. I am not knocking the poem, I always enjoy your writing, just feel this was written in anger and it is sad. Hope you do not get upset, you are on my favorite list and I could have just kept quiet. I just couldn't do it. Peace!

  • CountryCousin
    August 31, 2005
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    Very good indeed.

    Well one thing is for sure Cajuns will take things for about three to five days and then they start shooting the looters as we should all remember the words of your poem. This was really good and I thought it was about what happened in Lousiana when I clicked on the title. Out of applauses but this was very good.

  • Chuck Johnson silver member
    August 31, 2005
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    Mark? The death toll has only been guessed at. I agree with all you say. They are using M16's against cops there now. Even taking vehicles to loot with from passerby's.

  • Balladeer gold member
    August 31, 2005
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    Well said, Mark..I get filled with such rage seeing things like that happening. One woman was stopped with bags of groceries and she responded simply, "It's survival. I have a family to feed and no food." One can understand that but, for the assholes running down the streets with tv's and stereos, they can be happy I'm not there with a gun in my hands. They are pathetic creatures.....rats is even too nice a term for them. Vermin would be more accurate.....good write, sir.

  • Mark Rickerby gold member
    August 31, 2005
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    mary jon,

    Thanks for the comment and the thought-provoking quote. I must say, though, that I feel I do know my own heart. Not to toot my own horn, but I found a woman's purse in the gutter one night with about $500 in it. I took out her license, called 411, and returned it to her. She called me an "earth angel". That was worth more to me than the $500. Another time, I was driving through the night drop at the bank one night and saw a thick envelope sticking out that someone had neglected to push through. I could have pulled it out. I'm sure it was loaded with cash, perhaps thousands of dollars. There were no security cameras in this area of the lot and nobody else around. But I pushed it through.

    It's hard to be happy when one is not being decent. That's what thieves don't seem to get.

    Thanks again,

    Mark
  • usedup gold member
    August 31, 2005
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    The bible says that "The heart is treacherous and who can know it?" the heart is our seat of motivation and we don't really know what we'll do in a given situation until we are tempted. Sad, very sad.

  • cc
    August 31, 2005
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    so absolutly insightful!! i went through hurricaine hugo in charlotte n.c. and even then people were price gouging gas and wwater and ice. some people dont have the right hearts or at least they act like they dont. i pray for the ones who are surviving now though i know its so little for me to do.

  • dp robertson
    August 31, 2005
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    The sentiments of poems such as these are beyond critique as it is a simple statement said in simple, understandable verse that gets the message over to any old noggin. It is well said and universally in any crisis people react to their base instincts. What this says is exactly right. Some people you want to be in the trenches with in a time of crisis, some people are worse than the crisis itself. Well noted and simply told.

    David

    Edited on Aug 31, 6:25 p.m. because ''.

  • Grieving-Willow
    August 31, 2005
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    Devastating...

    No Uncle Mark... shooting them would be too good for them, by shooting them they could die instantly... they should be placed upon a stake and be burned to death ... I hate people that can be so shallow and selfish like that, its amazing how many people there are that are like this in the world, its disturbing ... If I could, I would rescue all those ppl that still need to be saved, it would never enter my mine to be so selfish as a rat... but sadly, there are ppl like that in this world. This poem is a Masterpiece, I hope it wakes the shallow up from their selfishness... Love you Sara

  • Touchof1der gold member
    August 31, 2005
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    It's heartbreaking to see and know and think that there are people in the world whose heart are so desensitized that they cannot have the compassion for their fellow comrades that we should all possess. We share this planet. We are all neighbors and we are here until we breathe our last breath. To not do what we can to add value to the life of others as well as ourselves is utterly shameful. I feel your anger Mark and know it is justified... unfortunately.
    (`'•.¸(`'•.¸ ¤ ¸.•'´)¸.•'´)
    ~~~Touchof1der~~~
    (, .•'(¸.•'´ ¤ `'•.¸)`'•.¸)

  • ValleyOfEchoes gold member
    August 31, 2005
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    excellent

    wow.. you got that down to the exact facts.. well done my friend ..Linda
  • Rambler
    August 31, 2005
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    My wife and I were talking about this earlier. While there are many good people in this country there is also a depth of moral sickness that nobody really wants to face. The young people seen stealing in the picture are part of the generation brought up to believe in nothing but the sensual and material. And it was the generations that went before them that didn't pass enough meaning on. Can it be any wonder then that we have produced a generation that has more in common with beasts than human beings?

  • Lozipot86
    August 31, 2005
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    that's powerful stuff mark, both in your own writing and in the subject written about. Well handled language. Lozi xxxX

  • janejainejayne gold member
    August 31, 2005
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    Horror

    If they are stealing food and water its OK. If they are looting it is bad. Tough times bring out the best and worse in people and your poem hits the nail on the head. I pray that all the people survive and get out safely. I was watching them on TV and felt so helpless. They can't even set up Red Cross stations as there is water flooding everywhere. Your pictures really convey the horror of it all. Jane

  • Mark Rickerby gold member
    August 31, 2005
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    They know it's wrong, they just don't care. I don't believe in praying or waiting for God to punish evil. All the time people spend praying is time they could be spending DOING something. If people don't do it, it doesn't get done. There's too much unpunished evil, unrewarded virtue, mass destruction and unanswered prayers for me to believe otherwise. God may have created this world, but he sure isn't helping much, if at all. Sorry for the difference of opinion. No offense intended. Thanks for the comment.

    Mark
  • roscoe-86
    August 31, 2005
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    i also feel the same way, and not only that, there are people who could have helped others when they were trying to escape it who didnt, and i find it disturbing that people cant just help one another in any time of need. just keep praying for them all.

  • InnerBeauty
    August 31, 2005
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    Some people don't know better. I feel the same pissed off-ness as you for that matter, but you know some folks don't see it as wrong (unfortunely) (sp?). So maybe we should pray for them in addition to the whole city and the ones that have been hurt. Praying for the lost and the blind, that's what we're supposed to do. ~J. Anna.
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