K Green• Show poetry

Gleaw giedd cwen.
Phantasie ist zutreffende Wirklichkeit.                                  --->FriendofMaglor@bellsouth.net
Cogito ergo sum.


I'm always listening to:

~Anything on the new Oasis album!!!!
~Jimmy Eat World; Get it Faster
~3 doors down; Kryptonite
~Enya; Carribean Blue
~Lynard Skynard; Free Bird
~Loreena Mckennitt; Mystic's Dance
~Skillet; Imperfections
~Jars of Clay; I'll Fly Away
~Sountrack from The Village
~Soundtrack from Edward Scissorhands
~Sountrack from any of the LOTR movies

My musical genre is called "really-not-specific" although I dig anything truly weird with a instumental Celtic twist, and anything with really good guitar on the rockish end of things.  



It's really easy to laugh at people who can't spell. But spelling "to" as "too" when you make the aforementioned point isn't very smooth. I think I have done it once or twice though.

This is just a little forenote for my petty little page. I am very self-centered, but not as all-knowing as I make myself out to be. I say that I hate stereotypes out of irony, because it seems to be the popular thing to say nowadays. I am chauvenistic and old-fashioned, I am turning the clock backward, and I am so disgustingly eccentric that my oddities are not really worth the time I take to explain them. Just because I think Church and State should be seperate does not mean that I bow to every mandate which the people cry out for. I am very English, despite being born American, and have a penchant for cultural prejudice (read that the right way, I am not a bigot). I have too much faith in my own skill, am often unrealistically optimistic, and offend unintentionally when I talk about the things I like/dislike. Just because I come off as an Elitist does not mean I have no regard for those who choose non-Academia paths... in fact, I think without them there would be no America. America is not an elitest government. That is why we had Andrew Jackson in office... (not to diss him, he was a relative)

So if you or something you like is on my "I Hate" list, ask me and I'll explain it to you; there is a lengthy reason behind every word. Not that it isn't an arrogant one. I am not close to being perfect, but ya know... we all get comfortable in imperfection.  


~~>Wake up with open eyes<~~

            From all my lame defeats and oh! much more
             From all the victories that I seemed to score;
              From cleverness shot forth on Thy behalf
               At which, while angels weep, the audience laugh;
                From all my proofs of Thy divinity,
                 Thou, who wouldst give no sign, deliver me.

                                Thoughts are but coins. Let me not trust instead
                                 Of Thee, their thin-worn image of Thy head.
                                  From all my thoughts, even from my thoughts of Thee,
                                   O thou fair Silence, fall, and set me free.
                                    Lord of the narrow gate and the needle's eye,
                                     Take from me all my trumpery lest I die.

                                                  (It's like he is talking about me ... from
                                                   C.S. Lewis, on the dangers of being an apologist)



When I was a little girl I wondered if it was a Bad Thing to question whether God was real. When I was a child, I reasoned like a child. Now I am older and have put childish ways behind me. I am a big girl now, and everyday I question God's existance. Everyday I have found an answer.


:: On the subject of Reason and Religion ::

What few exceptions of remarkable human beings it has brought forth are rare gems to find amidst the mass of miserable wretches who call themselves “Christians”.
~posted by Glacian... and oh how far will we have come when we can admit that this is true of history and present

You cannot reason a person out of a position he did not reason himself into in the first place.
~Jonathan Swift

"Reality, in fact, is always something you couldn't have guessed. That's one of the reasons I believe Christianity. It's a religion you couldn't have guessed."
~C.S. Lewis

I do not feel obliged to believe that the same God who has endowed us with sense, reason, and intellect has intended us to forgo their use.
~Galileo Galilei  

Shake off all the fears of servile prejudices, under which weak minds are serviley crouched. Fix reason firmly in her seat, and call on her tribunal for every fact, every opinion. Question with boldness even the existence of a God, because, if there be one, he must more approve of the homage of reason than that of blind faith.
~Thomas Jefferson

"Blasphemy? No, it is not blasphemy. If God is as vast as that, he is above blasphemy; if He is as little as that, He is beneath it."
~Mark Twain (I choose... above it, not that me choosing matters much)

"Christ died for men precisely because men are not worth dying for; to make them worth it."
~C.S.L

"Every poem can be considered in two ways--as what the poet has to say, and as a thing which he makes."
"The modern idea of a Great Man is one who stands at the lonely extremity of some single line of development--"
"Disobedience to conscience is voluntary; bad poetry, on the other hand, is usually not made on purpose."
"Reasoning is never, like poetry, judged from the outside at all."
~C.S. Lewis, in his intro to Paradise Lost

"Every story of conversion is the story of a blessed defeat."
~C.S.L

"A puritan is a person who pours righteous indignation into the wrong things."
~G. K. Chesterton

If there were no God, there would be no atheists.
~G.K. Chesterton

Man finds it hard to get what he wants, because he does not want the best; God finds it hard to give, because He would give the best, and man will not take it.
~George MacDonald

"Reason is the natural order of truth; but imagination is the organ of meaning."
~C.S.L

If 50 million people believe a foolish thing, it is still a foolish thing.
~Anatole France

"The trouble with theocracy is that everyone wants to be Theo."
~James Dunn

"As the king governs by his executive, so Reason in man must rule the mere appetites by means of the 'spirited element.'"
"A great many of those who 'debunk' traditional...values have in the background values of their own which they believe to be immune from the debunking process."
"The preservation of society, and of the species itself, are ends that do not hang on the precarious thread of Reason: they are given by Instinct."
"If we did not bring to the examinations of our instincts a knowledge of their comparative dignity we could never learn it from them."
"An open mind, in questions that are not ultimate, is useful. But an open mind about the ultimate foundations either of Theoretical or of Practical Reason is idiocy."
~C.S. Lewis, The Abolition of Man

There are two kinds of people: those who say to God, "Thy will be done," and those to whom God says, "All right, then, have it your way."
~C.S. Lewis

"Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as when they do it from religious conviction."
~Blaise Pascal

"Existence was given us for action. Our worth is determined by the good deeds we do, rather than by the fine emotions we feel."
~George MacDonald

Men rarely (if ever) manage to dream up a god superior to themselves. Most gods have the manners and morals of a spoiled child.
~Robert A. Heinlein

My faith? If you going to call it faith, let me show it to you..."it's letters are stars and its punctuation, planets. It’s written across the night sky in a language that anyone can decipher if they take the time to look up. It’s printed on leaves and in the pattern of stones on a river bottom" it exists to all who beleive that existance is possible. But to those who don't, well, I have no argument.
~ My own perspective on the words of Janet Snowhill

The Bible tells us to love our neighbors, and also to love our enemies; probably because they are generally the same people.
~G.K. Chesterton

We must respect the other fellow’s religion, but only in the sense and to the extent that we respect his theory that his wife is beautiful and his children smart.
~H.L. Mencken (not that I agree with all he says... but his intellect is undeniable)

I distrust those people who know so well what God wants them to do because I notice it always coincides with their own desires.
~ Susan B. Anthony

Nothing has an uglier look to us than reason, when it is not on our side.
~Lord Halifax  

"When grave persons express their fear that [the world] is relapsing back into Paganism, I am tempted to reply 'would that she were.' For I do not think it at all likely that we shall ever see Parliament opened by the slaughtering of a garlanded white bull [...] or Cabinet Ministers leaving sandwiches in Hyde Park as an offering to the Dryads [...] then the Christian apologist would have something to work on."
~C.S. Lewis, in an essay on Theism

Often a non-Christian knows something about the earth, the heavens, and the other parts of the world, about the motions and orbits of the stars and even their sizes and distances,...  and this knowledge he holds with certainty from reason and experience.  It is thus offensive and disgraceful for an unbeliever to hear a Christian talk nonsense about such things, claiming that what he is saying is based in Scripture.  We should do all that we can to avoid such an embarrassing situation, which people see as ignorance in the Christian and laugh to scorn.
~St. Augustine

All of us who are concerned for peace and triumph of reason and justice must be keenly aware how small an influence reason and honest good will exert upon events in the political field.
~Albert Einstein

Then Andreth looked under her brows at Finrod: "And what, when ye were not singing, would ye say to us?" she asked. Finrod laughed. "I can only guess," he said. "Why, wise lady, I think that we should tell you tales of the Past and of Arda that was Before, of the perils and great deeds and the making of the Silmarils! We were the lordly ones then! [...] but[here] ye would be the lordly ones. 'The eyes of the Elves are always thinking of something else,'ye would say. But ye would know then of what we were reminded: of the days when we first met, and our hands touched in the dark."
~The theology of mythology, J.R.R. Tolkien's posthumously published "Debate of Finrod and Andreth"  

Conviction and truth are not kind to one another.

"On those who add 'Thus said the Lord' to their merely human utterances descends the doom of a conscience which seems clearer and clearer the more it is loaded with sin [...] He has given us brains, the rest He has left up to us."
~C.S. Lewis, Meditation on the Third Commandment  

Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience.
~C.S. Lewis

"We regard God as an airman regards his parachute; it's there for emergencies but he hopes he'll never have to use it."
~C.S.L

"If God were a Kantian, who would not have us till we came to Him from the purest and best motives, who could be saved?"
~C.S.L, The Problem of Pain

Well can the wyse poet of Florence, that highte Dant speken in this sentence. Lo in swich manner rym is Dantes tale: 'Ful selde up ryseth by his branches smale prowesse of man, for God of his goodnesse wol that of Him we clayme oure gentillesse; for of oure eldres may we no thing clayme but temporel thing, that man may hurte and mayme.
~Canterbury Tales

"If I have to die, I want to die young. I want a noble death. So then all the world can see what a wonderful thing it is to die when you believe in God"
~Dietrich Bonhoeffor, FFR Theatre's biography


“Unlike in music, there are no child prodigies in painting. What people regard as premature genius is the genius of childhood. It gradually disappears as they get older."
~Picasso

“Everyone wants to understand art. Why don’t we try to understand the song of a bird? Why do we love the night, the flowers, everything around us, without trying to understand them? But in the case of a painting, people think they have to understand. If only they would realize above all that an artist works of necessity, that he himself is only an insignificant part of the world, and that no more importance should be attached to him than to plenty of other things which please us in the world, though we can’t explain them people who try to explain pictures are usually barking up the wrong tree.”
~Picasso

On the subject of ageism: "... the average student wants to find something out about Platonism, the very last thing he thinks of doin is to take a translation of Pato off the library shelf and read the /Syposium/. He would rather read some dreary modern book ten times as long, all about 'isms' and influences and only once in a twelve pages telling him what Plato actually said. The error is rather an amiable one, as it springs from humility. The student is half afraid to meet one of the great philosophers face to face. He feels himself inadequate and fears he will misunderstand him."
~C.S.Lewis, "On Old Books"

"It's strikes me as pretty odd, that babies making-belive can create a playworld that licks you real one... I am going to stick by the playworld, I am on Aslan's side, even if there isn't an Aslan to lead it... I am going to live my life like a Narnian, even if there isn't a Narnia!"
~Puddleglum, C.S. Lewis' Silver Chair

"To argue with a person who has renounced the use of reason is like administering medicine to the dead."
~Thomas Paine (and to the dead, all are dead... think about it)

The most formidable weapons against errors of every kind is reason. I have never used any other, and I trust I never shall.
~Paine

The summary and the Purpose:
Nothing is more dangerous to one's own faith than the work of an apologist. No doctrine of that Faith seems to me so spectral, so unreal as one that I have just successfully defended in a public debate. For a moment, you see, it has seemed to rest on oneself: as a result, when you go away from that debate, it seems no stronger than that weak pillar. That is why we apologists take our lives in our hands and can be saved only by falling back continually from the web of our own arguments, as from our intellectual counters, into the Reality - from Christian apologetics into Christ Himself. That also is why we need one another's continual help -- oremus pro invincem [Let us pray for each other].
~C.S. Lewis


:: My tributes to X-Men!!! Nightcrawler is my ultimate hero!! ::

Red King: I'm rich... And powerful... And in love.....And I will destroy you..!
Kurt: Love makes you want to stab people? That isn't love. That's brain damage. Though your confusion between the two is understandable.

"If I had a normal life I'd quite cheerfully go mad and fall over right now"

I'd better stay, Brian's about to use his big 'Captian Britian' voice.
~Meggan

Nightcrawler: "I always find things go much better...when I know exactly who it is I am beating into submission."

Cable: "If I'm bodysliding to a different planetary mass, I have to recalibrate my instrumentation."
Wolverine: "How long will that take?"
Cable: "If I do it myself, about twenty, twenty five minutes."
Wolverine: "And if we help?"
Cable: "An hour and a half."

Nightcrawler: I thought one caught more flies with -honey- than vinegar.
Wolverine: One can, Elf...but I prefer a big honkin' flyswatter anyday.

Nightcrawler: Isn't this STEALING?
Wolverine: Nah... Once the owner vaporizes himself... all goods are up for grabs, Kurt.

"Don't lie to a telepath, Scott. It's demeaning." -- Phoenix

"It's not an animal, miss . . . It's Beast. Animal is a muppet."
-- Beast

Nightcrawler to Wolverine: "We are alike, you and I--angry at the world. My pain drives me to seek God, yours drove you away... our ability to understand God's purposes are limited, but take comfort in the fact that his love is limitless."

Oh yeah. The blue elf is mine.

:: Fun quotage ::

"I am a writer, I give the truth scope!"
~Bettany as Chaucer, A Knight's Tale

Woman: “If I was your husband, I’d fill poison your coffee”
Winston Churchill: “If I was your husband, I’d drink it”
(thanks serene darkness )

"It may be that Eru hath placed in me a fire greater than thou knowest... yea in the end they shall follow me"
~Fëanor, the Silmarillion

"The Pope might be French, but Jesus is English"
~A Knight's Tale (hurrah for the medieval mindset)

"Episcopalianism is the Diet Coke of Catholicism... same great taste but with half the guilt"
~fellow forum member

Telegram to wife: I am at library, where ought I be?
~G.K. Chesterton... the absent minded apologist

Catapultam habeo. Nisi pecuniam omnem mihi dabis ad capul tuum saxum immane mittam.
(Translation: “I have a catapult. Give me all the money or I will fling an enormous rock at your head.”)
~anonymous (everything sounds profound in Latin!)

Q: What’s the difference between a fanatic and a zealot.
A: A zealot can’t change his mind. A fanatic can’t change his mind and won’t change the subject.
~Winston Churchill

HOMICIDE
n. The slaying of one human being by another. There are four kinds of homocide: felonious, excusable, justifiable, and praiseworthy, but it makes no great difference to the person slain whether he fell by one kind or another -- the classification is for advantage of the lawyers.
~Ambrose Bierce

"Sappy love makes for sappy love poetry"
~my very wise, blunt mother

"God is Dead" ~ Friedrich Nietzsche
"Nietzsche is dead" ~ God

C: Legolas always had this dazed look on his face
P: Like he's stoned?
C: No, more like, "Hey, this isn't Burger King!"
~don't ask...there was alot of sugary carbonated liquids involved

C: Ya know what? I think we should be biochemists when we grow up.
Me: This is about genetically engineered spiders, isn't it?
C: I know it's possible.
Me: I think we might be stretching some theological boundaries with the whole human mutation thing.
C: Katie, if you can shoot webbing from your wrist, who cares!?!

An example of Sappy Poetry, the author of which I will not specify:

every effort you make it feels like deeper the dagger digs in my heart... we've been apart... cant u just let it go...
your not the guy i used to know....
i cant throw myself back into that black hole...

and give u the chance to once again make me feel low...
you toke my heart and broke it but didn't bother to try to put back the pieces that were apart...

No I didn't go looking for it, it was on Featured... thus my few instances of not commenting.

Here is another bit of crude typing, this time, some badly spelled bigotry:

please refriane from useing the word crap in critiques, it makes you look christian (synomimis with stupid)

Not even gonna bring up the poem it was a response to.  

If it means anything to the dreamy idealists, my elemental pairing is Water (creativity/dreaminess) and Air (intellect)... I have a scholar's temperment and could stay locked up with books for years on end, but I like the outdoors just as much. I find trees easier to talk to than people, and if I *must* talk with people, I am most comfortable with little children or mature adults. The willow is my tree. Both have a level of understanding my peers seldom match (not that I don't have one or two friends who are exceptions  ).

When I am writing for my own pleasure, I write satire, oratory speeches, poetry, an invented mythology... and I roleplay in some of the more restrained and prosaic Tolkien-based RPGs. I do not consider it fanfiction, which I hate... along with the larger part of all fantasy that has been written in the past forty years. Ironically, fantasy is also my favorite genre, and if I ever write it in hopes of being published, my motivation will be the same as Lewis and Tolkien's "there isn't any of it, so we will just have to write some ourselves".

There are portals. I will find them.

I Like:

fantasy
philosophy
drawing... for hours
tasteful roleplaying
food
trees
rain and grey rainy days
my church
rationalism
my family (unusual but true)
England
the sea
Maglor (duh)
epic poetry
highly descriptive poetry
Celtic culture
faeries
New Age& classical music
good soundtracks
debate
good old hardworking-morale
people who have worked their way up with their hands
(I am by no means a social elitist
America was built with good old
hard work, and there is precious little of it)
good fantasy movies (Fairy Tale, LotR)
good action/war movies (Master and Commander, Spiderman)  
Marvel comics (see that coming?)
Paul Bettany is my favorite actor

Makes me want to be: author, proffessor


I am Amused by:

evolutionists
Michael Jackson
Trekkies
Star Wars
J.K. Rowling
animal rights activists
bad writing
Democrats
Republicans
the Kerry smile
the Bush smirk
government in general
the House of Commons
the Goth trend
ranting Atheists..
... who can't spell ('specially cause I can't)
myself when I am angry
groupies
faux fads

Makes me want to be: satirist


I HATE:

suicide poetry
slash fanfic
...actually, all fanfic
people obsessively depressed
the vampire hype
non-Tolkien elves
Bri(t)tany Spears
what Darwin's ideas did to science
(the ideas in themselves are ground-breaking)
Freud
brand names
agnosticism
people who say Latin is "dead"
abortion
the "Troy" movie
anything French [except their philosophy]
tactless roleplay
religious ignorance
pot & co.
sex in movies... or writing... and
if you can't capture an audience without it,
then you are just... not good...
perverted poetry contests
cultural relativism
stereotypes
William the Conqueror
apathetic ignorance
feminists
normalcy
Brad Pitt
being classed by the music you listen to *shudder*

Makes me want to be: nun, global tyrant


~~The Absolute Best Friendships in Literature~~

Rat and Mole (Wind in the Willows, hurrah!!)
Sam and Frodo
Christian and Hopeful (Pilgrim's Progress)
Marcus and Esca (Eagle of the Ninth)
Llew and Tegid (Paradise War)
Jack Aubrey and Stephen Maturin (Master & Commander series)
Father Brown and Flambeau (Father Brown mysteries)
Achilles and Patrokolus
Sam Weller and Mr. Pickwick
Conceil and the professor (20,000 Leagues Under the Sea)
Maedhros and Fingon
Beren and Finrod
David and Jonathan
Rinnon and Avengard (that one's mine)
Laurie and Jo (I know she's a girl, but you now what I mean!)

Hooray for blood brothership before perverted minds went and spoilt it!!

Slowy Growing List of AP's Incredible Minds:

Glacian
Drakus840
SilverMoment
ziniicecream


~My Honorable Mention/ Runner up Poems~

Treeshadow
Ariel
The Not-Explained
Southern Christmas
Spangled (won 100 pt. fourth place)
Hardell
The Bothership of Sp'ling
NightFall

~Winners~

Gold- Aurora and Oceanus
Gold- Spangled
Silver- NightFall
Silver- Riddle I
Silver- Pax Christiana
Bronze- Fathomless
Bronze- [I fogot!]




All poems listed are the copyrighted property of Katie Green.